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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:01 PM

Japanese whalers ordered out of Australian waters

Source: Australian Broadcasting Corporation

The Federal Government has ordered a Japanese whaling vessel to get out of Australia's exclusive economic zone.

The Shonan Maru Number 2 - a Customs vessel which travels with the whaling fleet - entered the zone off Macquarie Island in the Southern Ocean yesterday afternoon.

Environment Minister Tony Burke said he had made it clear to Japan that vessels associated with the whaling program "are not welcome in in Australia's exclusive economic zone or territorial sea".

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Former Greens leader Bob Brown, now the mission leader of the Sea Shepherd anti-whaling group, says he believes the vessel has armed Japanese personnel aboard.



Read more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-01/government-orders-japanese-whalers-out/4495166

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Reply Japanese whalers ordered out of Australian waters (Original post)
Matilda Jan 2013 OP
Suich Jan 2013 #1
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #6
Xithras Feb 2013 #21
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #22
2naSalit Feb 2013 #26
madrchsod Jan 2013 #2
Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #3
Omaha Steve Jan 2013 #4
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #5
MrModerate Jan 2013 #10
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #11
MrModerate Jan 2013 #13
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #18
MrModerate Feb 2013 #24
Kolesar Jan 2013 #7
Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #9
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #12
wordpix Jan 2013 #14
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #15
flvegan Feb 2013 #16
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #17
Scootaloo Feb 2013 #19
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #20
flvegan Feb 2013 #25
MFM008 Feb 2013 #28
Nika Jan 2013 #8
idwiyo Feb 2013 #23
pansypoo53219 Feb 2013 #27

Response to Matilda (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:04 PM

1. Good for Australia!

Shonan Maru #2 is the one that ran over the Ady Gil.

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Response to Suich (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:18 PM

6. I think the source is wrong. Shonan Maru #2 is a harpoon ship

and it was the one involved in the collision with the Adny Gil. It is not a state vessel of the nation of Japan

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:37 AM

21. The Shonan Maru #2 was refitted two years ago.

The whalers gave it to the Japanese government, which now operates it as a security vessel and keeps security forces on it to "defend" the whaling fleet. It's been repainted and is clearly marked as a government ship.

Shonan Maru #2 a few years ago:


Shonan Maru #2 now:


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Response to Xithras (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:14 AM

22. I had not seen that previously

Thank you

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Response to Xithras (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:41 AM

26. Too bad all of that fleet

didn't fall victim to the tsunami.

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:05 PM

2. i guess the japanese will have a harder time doing their 'research'

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:09 PM

3. Hope Australia will get the last word on this, and that the world will win

against the barbaric practises which should have died out long ago, as the human race evolved.

Hope Japan run out of killers before the earth runs out of the amazing innocent, intelligent, helpless, gentle prey.

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:13 PM

4. IF the whalers try to sneak in



Sink them.

K&R!

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:16 PM

5. Right of innocent passage applies in economic zones

But it can be denied in territorial waters.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:20 PM

10. Innocent? Maybe as the law has been drawn up . . .

But sensible people would say otherwise.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:26 PM

11. It has been in the LOS before Economic Zones existed

Basically it says, as long as you are just passing through, nothing can be done.

The cookie pushers will make noise for the benefit of the home crowd but nothing will happen. The Japanese ship stayed clear of the 12 mile limit.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:31 PM

13. Quite so. The Australian Government . . .

Is not interested in pissing off Japan, despite the Australian public's disgust at whaling. Short of getting serious over the issue, making a bit of noise is all they'll do.

However, there's now a national election scheduled for September, and some clever Aussie pol might grab ahold of the issue and ride it to the polls.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:28 AM

18. Some might, but it will make no difference on the high seas

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:54 AM

24. I was thinking of someone . . .

Either Abbot or a member of her own party, bullying Gillard into sending some seagoing muscle down to harass the Japanese.

Or, alternatively, Gillard or Abbot rattling sabers, exciting the electorate, and hence winning the next election.

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:30 PM

7. US Court orders Sea Shepherd to steer clear - 12-19-2012

Hmm. Not good
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The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is weighing up its legal options after a United States court decision which limits its anti-whaling activities in the Southern Ocean.

The society says an appeals court in the United States has issued an injunction in favour of Japan's Institute for Cetacean Research.

The court has ordered the whale conservationists to stay at least 450 metres away from the Japanese fleet and not to physically confront them.
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International law expert Don Rothwell, from the Australian National University, believes the injunction can not be enforced in international waters.

"It's only an order that would be subject to enforcement by US courts but, most importantly, because Sea Shepherd is incorporated in the US state of Washington Sea Shepherd could be could be held in contempt of court and could be subject to other proceedings if Sea Shepherd fails to abide by the order of the US court."

He believes the order could affect the group's fund-raising activities.

"The Japanese would have taken this approach primarily to secure an order against the heart of Sea Shepherd's corporate and fundraising activities in the United States. So it's really seeking to target the corporate and financial activities of Sea Shepherd."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-19/sea-shepherd-told-to-steer-clear-of-japanese-whalers/4435216

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:53 PM

9. Absolutely unexpected. Unbelievable. Downright evil. Thank you for bringing us up to date. n/t

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:30 PM

12. By registering ships in other names under other flags, US jurisdiction is limited

There are parts of SSCS not incorporated in the US as well. This is one of many good reasons not to incorporate solely in the US if you want to do what Watson does.

There are smart lawyers on this and they can figure it out. Don Rothwell does not qualify since he seems unaware that long arm jurisdiction is allowed in the US. (You can be prosecuted for things you do out of the US in the US)

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:47 PM

14. "corporate activities of Sea Shepherd" - like this is a corporation out to make a profit off widgits

Just stop the f-ing whaling already! Forty years some of us have been fighting this fight.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:14 AM

15. Not all corporations make widgets. Non profits are also incorporated.

Incorporation is a requirement for an organization its size and with that kind of budget

Whaling will stop when demand stops and not until then.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:52 AM

16. Whaling will stop before then. n/t

Regardless of apologies.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:56 AM

17. You are back...

a good thing IMO.

Industrial nation whaling will not stop until demand does. Today it is fading along generational lines. Aboriginal never will.

The real risk is if there are enough other species failures, whale hunting for food may increase

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:07 AM

19. Well, that would be like burning diamonds when the coal runs out

Not that I don't put it past plain human dumbassedness to do exactly that, but...

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:13 AM

20. If the diamonds are easier to get to...

New England fisheries and being massively cut back, others are as well. Poachers are still taking more than the fish populations can support. It is foreseeable that some nations could return to whaling for food, though some argue the costs would outweigh benefits. I have not looked into it.

Without that, its pretty clear that demand will die out in a generation from industrial nations. Also remember that Japan is not the only nation doing it.

Aboriginal whaling is so small that it scarcely matters from a numbers standpoint.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:26 AM

25. Thank you, and respect to your response.

I agree, and I'd not expect Aboriginal demand to ever decrease. I have little issue with that.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:32 AM

28. US court orders in international waters?

pee up a rope. Good luck enforcing. After a catastrophic natural and manmade disaster and they cant wait to get back to despoiling all of our natural resources.

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:41 PM

8. Thank you Australia

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:04 AM

23. K&R thank you, Australia!

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:03 AM

27. i would have just sunk it.

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