15-year-old girl who performed at Obama inauguration gunned down in Chicago
Source: raw Story
A 15-year-old girl was killed on the South Side of Chicago on Tuesday, just a week after she performed at President Barack Obamas inauguration.
Hadiya Pendleton was hanging out at Vivian Gordon Harsh Park near her high school at around 2:30 p.m., when someone jumped a fence, ran up to them, and opened fire, according to WBBM-TV.
Pendleton was taken to University of Chicago Comer Childrens Hospital where she died an hour later from a gunshot wound to her back. A 16-year-old boy was also wounded in the attack.
Raw Story (http://s.tt/1z9dj)
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/30/15-year-old-girl-who-performed-at-obama-inauguration-gunned-down-in-chicago/
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Useless shit from a bye gone age. Get the fuck rid of it.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Every gun owner should get in line and put their child on that street corner, walk away and leave them there. Then go home and kiss your fucking gun goodnight.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 30, 2013, 12:54 PM - Edit history (1)
For those who don't understand the concept of hyperbole, please look it up.
This post is
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)What a shock.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)There's no way in hell that all guns are gonna get confiscated without yet more gun violence.
A compromise is going to be reached.
Both sides will be unhappy with it.
I think that certain guns should be absolutely inaccessible to civilians, but civilians should be able to own firearms IF they pass a stringent battery of tests.
Maeve
(42,279 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)I won't reply to you in the same way that poster replied to me. I know what the word means and I know that the Gungeon denizen who commented that I should be taken out and shot for using it, probably owns a gun and possibly wishes he could use it.
There is never an appropriate time to imply someone should be shot. I am not surprised that he and you don't get that.
Maeve
(42,279 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)As my dad used to day, it's amazing what some people will volunteer for.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)the industry that created this monster. Every bullet you buy is an endorsement of the gun industry and their lobbyist the NRA. Where do you thing these companies get their power from? It's out of the pockets of the people who buy their product. They are using your money right now...today...to send their goons to Washington to fight against even the most mild restrictions in gun ownership.
They aren't doing it with my money.
Sometime people have to buy necessities like gas and food from unsavory actors. We can only try to get what we need without hurting others by being selective. No one needs a gun unless they are police, military or in legitimate security. Everyone else is paying for the NRA and gun companies to let this insanity continue.
Is this HYPERBOLIC? I don't think so but you folks are welcome to take this post to the jury and have it blocked if it makes you feel right.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)BainsBane
(53,027 posts)But this makes it okay.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Same to those who believe a non-consequential and visceral reaction is part and parcel of that person's actual belief system.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Not to mention a cliche, especially over gun issues.
BainsBane
(53,027 posts)and it's not dead children. Hardly a shock.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)nick of time
(651 posts)I own firearms and I am in no way even remotely responsible for what happened to this beautiful girl.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)The Second Amendment is beginning to look like the Framers second biggest error after slavery. It's not effective in resisting tyranny. No uprising is going to stand against the US military. You're AK-47 isn't going to stop that drone from putting a missile between your eyes.
The Arab Spring tells you that you don't need to start with a heavily armed civilian population to resist. In fact, in Libya, having so many people armed after the revolution has been an impairment in establishing a new, effective government. What appears to be important in an uprising is information, not firearms. The Internet brought about the Arab Spring and kept it going. In other words, the First, not the Second Amendment protects us more.
For self-defense, statistically, you're several times more likely to die of a gunshot wound if you live in a house with a firearm, and you're more likely to commit suicide.
The proposed solution to gun violence is more guns. As though firearms have to reach a critical mass before the Second Amendment works the way it should? That proportion is somewhere above a 1:1 gun-to-person ratio we have. Yes, I'm certain the Founders wrote that very thing when they formulated the Second Amendment, and recommended that people have at least one musket per hand. I'm also certain they anticipated the exact problems private gun ownership is causing when they concocted the right to keep and bear arms.
In other words, guns don't perform the function they're purportedly meant to, neither as an impediment to tyranny nor as a means of self-defense. (Not that they can't in all cases, just statistically speaking, they don't.) Historically, tyrannies like the Nazis did not confiscate or illegalize guns for the general population. In fact, the Nazis expanded gun ownership.
The Second Amendment needs to be reconsidered, whether you're personally attached to your guns or not.
nick of time
(651 posts)I said that in no way am I, as a gun owner, responsible for this girls death like the the poster said.
WTF does your post have to do with what I said?
Response to nick of time (Reply #142)
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dorksied
(348 posts)puts you voting for a world with guns, gun violence, and senseless killings of kids. The money you spent is used to fund the gun lobbyists who buy our politics and keep this endless cycle of death going, all in the name of profit for gun manufacturers.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)So far.
nick of time
(651 posts)Why do you ask?
whistler162
(11,155 posts)gun laws will never happen. But, that maybe what you want!
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)I think.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)True liberals are incensed over this stupidity that gun humpers have wrought. (I know that's a big word - you'll probably have to look it up.)
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)You seem very caught up with your DU-sanctified sexual metaphors. You might wish to re-consider what you think is "groin up."
dorksied
(348 posts)And people who support guns are carriers.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Papagoose
(428 posts)Really? My small gauge shotgun locked away safely in the back of my closet makes me culpable in this crime?
Talk like that makes people flee to the "other side".
Way to go.
Bonduel
(96 posts)because I have a bottle of whiskey in my house.
I own guns and am not remotely responsible for this girls tragic murder.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)the light must be shining HARD
dkf
(37,305 posts)Blame blame blame...
Chicago needs a huge crackdown on their gangs. Once we see enough arrests maybe the violence will stop.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Once we see enough arrests maybe the violence will stop...."
One may only imagine then the area surrounding Sandy Hook ES was rampant with gang problems...
dkf
(37,305 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)they would have been stomped out a long time ago.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)Please explain the rationale and make the case for how my gun owning grandfather owns that girl's death.
guardian
(2,282 posts)Most of the gun deaths in Chicago are due to drug gangs. Even the news story for this event indicated gang activity. If people would not do illegal drugs then the drug gangs would cease to flourish.
Every pot smoker should get in line and put their child on that street corner, walk away and leave them there. Then go home and kiss your fucking bong goodnight.
One hyperbole deserves another.
Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)owning all the violence along the border to be able to own the girl's death, too. Greedy bastards owning everything, anyway.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I am ALL for reasonable regulations on guns, TBH. In fact, I'd be perfectly okay with a ban on factory-direct full-auto assault weapons as well as more limited capacity on semi-auto weapons.....but blaming ALL gun owners for the tragic death of this one girl is simply going way too far; and in fact I'll go a step further and say that it makes us all look bad and gives ammo to the very forces who oppose us, especially the NRA and such.
BudHardener
(16 posts)We need to share a fatty and talk about your attitude towards victimless crime. If drugs were legal there would be no turf wars over them.
To confuse pot smokers with crankers, tweekers, basers, firers, junkies, coke flunkies and Kroc rotters is absurd. The reason pot isn't the general center of drug crime is that it's bulky. Here in medical marijuana country the cost of pot has gone down from $320 an ounce in 2000 to less than $150 today (check Craigslist in Oregon under health and beauty).
The first thing I want when I'm stoned is a Twinkie, not an AK.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)You are correct "it aint the chronic in those chambers", however would that chamber had been loaded in the first place if there was no market for illegal drugs?
The illegal drug market for MJ alone is between $35 and $45 billion dollars a year in the US (How big is the marijuana market). That is a lot of easy money. The distribution networks across the entire country are run, maintained, and operated by primarilly gangs. In the US today there are an estemated 1.5 million gang members spread throughout every state and community.
The pot smoker is no less or more responsible for the violence in our nation than gun owners.
A pot smoker who buys an ounce from a dealer has directly and willfully contributed to a network of violence that is responsible for up to 80% of crime in the US.
That dealer buys from a supplier, that supplier buys from a distributor, that distributor buys from a producer. Every single one of these steps throughout the process is illegal throguhout the vast majority of the US. So basically you have a network of criminals, who want to make lots of easy money distributing their product for cash.
If one dealer has a problem with another dealer trying to take away his customers, they cannot up their advertizing costs, they cannot do a market study, they cannot put together a focus group. They take care of the other dealer through violence. If a customer steals from a dealer, the dealer cannot call the police, they cannot file a claim in court, they deal with it through violence. If a supplier is not making sales because another supplier is moving in on their network, again, they resort to violence.
The problem is that the statement that pot is not a "victimless crime" is not 100% accurate. The simple "illegal" purchase of pot: fuels, funds, and promotes gang violence in this country.
You state that "The reason pot isn't the general center of drug crime is that it's bulky.", this is not an accurate statement. Pot is the #1 illegally traded and consumed drug in this nation.
Annual Prevelance in the US
Opioids - 5.90
Opiates - 0.57
Cocaine - 2.40
Cannabis - 13.70
Amphetamines - 1.50
Ecstasy - 1.4
Directly because of the violence that the trade in illegal drugs brings is why I do not smoke pot. This is why I want ALL drugs to be legal. The war on drugs in this country is a complete failure.
BudHardener
(16 posts)have you ever bought a diamond? Bought one for my gal for x-mas even though I know the violence associated with 'em (yeah, shame on me)
Yep, drug laws gotta go.
I do take exception to your chain of command of responsibility. I smoke pot and do not accept responsibility for some inner city yahoo with a pea shooter and a head full of meth or pcp or banana peels. Likewise, I like an occasional Big Mac but don't take responsibility for two-ton Bert and Bertha or Ron Jeremy's cardiac condition.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)You state that you bought a diamond, even knowing the violence associated with it. Seriously WTF? You personally paid money into a violent system that will directly promote and fuel that violent system.
Yes I have bought a diamond. This was many many moons ago before I was aware of the blood and violence involved in bringing me that diamond. Will I today spend my money on another? Hell no I will not. How could I directly put money into such a deplorable industry that will in turn fan the flames of more violence? If people stopped buying the damn things the result would be that the violence would stop.
I do not buy pot, not because it is illegal, but because of the blood that was spilled to bring it to me.
If you turn a blind eye to the reality of why drug dealers, distributors, suppliers, and producers have guns, and commit acts of violence in the first place, you are simply deluding yourself.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)"I do not buy pot, not because it is illegal, but because of the blood that was spilled to bring it to me."
I think most pot sales do not involve product that comes from the cartels. Besides many people grow their own. And thirdly, even if you were to buy cartel product from a dealer (which I applaud you for not doing), I would think the blame would lie more on those who make it illegal in the first place, since it should not be.
The gun argument may actually be a better fit for this logic, since people don't make their own, there is an underground gun market that was not solved by the fact that guns are legal (criminals don't want to go through normal channels to buy their weapons), and there is a strong gun lobby that makes sure we don't have reasonable regulation and control of who has guns. Maybe a better argument along those lines would involve NRA membership rather than gun ownership, since the NRA is a large part of the gun lobby, but many if not most gun and ammo purchases probably do feed into the pro gun lobby, so there is some responsibility there.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)"I think most pot sales do not involve product that comes from the cartels." - 66% of all marijuana sold in the US comes from Mexico.
But it is not the cartels that I am referring to. I am referring to the 1.5 million people in the US who are members of a gang. Gangs are funded and fueled by the illegal trade in drugs. The #1 illegally traded drug in the US is marijuana.
Yes, folks do grow their own, however out of the millions of tons of pot that is smuggled into this country every year, there is a huge market for the product. To ignore that fact, one would be deluding themselves. Even domestically grown MJ has a direct impact on the violence in this nation. If pot is grown in quantity domestically and sold on the street there is a direct correlation to violence that stems from this trade.
If it is illegal to purchase pot in your state, and you purchase pot, you are directly contributing to the violence that occurs here.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)You contributed to the violence only if your purchase is related to those violent elements. And in the post of yours that I originally responded to, you said the reason you wouldn't smoke it was you didn't want to contribute to that violence, which to me was an indictment on pot smokers as contributing to that violence, which in some cases would be true, others not. I would think mostly not. You threw out an unsourced 66% which may or may not have any relation to reality, I don't know how anyone could tabulate such stats since most such sales would never be seen. I don't care to get into an argument about more or less than half, I'm just supporting whatever percentage has no relation to that chain of violence you speak of, which is certainly significant and those people should not be tarnished as contributing to something to which they have absolutely no connection.
As I said above, the gun argument you made is more relevant, IMO. The pot issue struck me as a poor comparison, that's all, and it still does. Not that it really matters to the discussion of this OP.
BudHardener
(16 posts)Yeah, the diamond... I know WTF??? X-mas+pawnshop+girlfriend=macho offering (I am weak and I have sinned)
Hey, I'm out of the drug loop. Home-made meds like home-made biz (I'm a contractor) remove me from the middleman syndrome. I take responsibility regarding this life and advise all to do likewise. I am far from deluded in supplying my own needs. Gonna brew beer this year for the same reason.
The criminality of drug use is perpetuated by governments for control of the populace. It is in the best interest of the monied powers that inner cities remain in fear and at war. By moving to Oregon from LA I've sought to minimize any connection to the horde.
I'm not an escapist, don't have a buried u-haul full of water bottles in the backyard and sleep just fine, thank ya.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)If you purchase or have purchased pot, you have directly funded those that actually contribute to the violence in this country.
I have done it in the past. I have handed money to a pot dealer, who may have in turn killed someone to protect his corner, or turf, or whatever. I cannot live with that, so I stopped. I will not be directly responsible for the majority of the violence in this nation.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)produces those bullets in this country PAYS the NRA with their customer's money to ensure these guns and bullets flood this country at an obscene rate. If you can't see the difference then I expect you will continue to pay the gun industry to promote things like "Stand Your Ground" and no background checks. I am sure they are happy for your support!
Blaming the NRA is just a cover.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)While I believe that we could certainly use some strong gun control laws, the idea that *everyone* who owns a gun is responsible for this girl's death is bizarre. The person responsible for the girls death is the one that frigging shot her. You may despise guns, you may fear them, you may believe that the second amendment is outdated, or whatever. None of that gives you the right to blame the innocent though. And yes, most gun owners are innocent of doing anything wrong or even illegal.
Like I said, I support gun control, but these hyperbolic tactics are extremely ignorant. You're using generalizations - a very broad brush, this is one of the very last places we should use such things.
ellie
(6,929 posts)This gun violence is insane.
SylviaD
(721 posts)Unfortunately, even here at DU it appears REPEALING is OFF THE TABLE.
Where have we heard that term before?!
When are we as Democrats going to STOP SETTLING? Stop choosing the EASY WAY OUT?
Those on the other side NEVER do that. And guess what? THEY ARE WINNING.
Sorry for the caps, but I am so angry.
At least here, on DU, I want the meme to be REPEAL REPEAL REPEAL.
This is the way we WIN. Because they are WRONG and I'm not SETTLING anymore!!!!!
nick of time
(651 posts)but how will you get it done? It takes only 13 states refusing to ratify a repeal to defeat it.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Pretty sure that would start another civil war.
And no, they are NOT winning.
They were for a while, but they are losing ground by the second.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Yeah, gun humpers with their little Precious clutched in their greasy hands against the Marines. "Civil war" would be over in about two minutes. And the gun humpers would lose.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)That they would lose, but I don't know if it will happen that quickly.
It could turn out to be a lot messier than anyone thinks.
Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)Sad to say.
nick of time
(651 posts)How well has that worked out?
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)But I'm sure it feels good.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)...but we have to keep in mind that when they say, "...from my cold, dead hands," an attempt to repeal the 2nd amendment is exactly what a lot of these people have been obsessing over and "preparing" for. It's absurd to assume that some (likely significant) portion of the gun owning public won't come unhinged and become violent in the face of any attempt to restrict/control all guns.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)They are definitely gearing up for something.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)If people are dying only to protect their guns, they've gone insane.
Most of us aren't insane. On some level, they'll figure out it defeats the purpose of having a gun if you die to keep it. When a cops have people at gunpoint and say, "Drop it," there aren't too many who don't.
Therefore, I don't think people are going to go into general civil war to for their guns. I think pro-gunners have wrapped themselves in a fantasy world. If the reality of actually dying for it becomes salient, they'll leave the few LaPierres to draw the drone missiles away from them while they themselves drop their rifles in the field and go home.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Pretty sure 99% of these unreasonable gun fanatics (which, I think is a relatively small percentage of people that own guns) are just paper tigers.
But there are some folks that have been living that "life" since the day they were born. The ones that served in the military, the ones that are trained. Even some of the weekend warriors in the Natl. Guard might betray their country and try to play Rambo with their militia buddies.
Those are going to be the ones holed up in the hills and deserts, holding out until their self-fulfilled prophecy comes to be.
On a side note.
Remember all the "Zombie Apocalypse" training lately by various armed groups, including our govt. and at least one militia I know of.
Makes me wonder what they're REALLY training for, since zombies don't exist.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts). . . the misery will be theirs. We could just hope they don't share much of it on their way down.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)If you can't, then it's a dead issue.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)I am sick to death of fucking gun humpers and the insanity they have unleashed in this country. Burn in hell, all of you.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
BudHardener
(16 posts)1. Probably the only bizness that is making money during a recession. Gun money has bought enough politicians to derail any legislation to limit dollars leaving their pockets (gun makers and pols).
2. State of Fear. The media's (bought and paid for) use of hyperbole to foment outrage is really a spur to create more gun sales.
3. State of Fear2. The average American is not an educated Metrosexual. These are people who still think the British are coming over the hill, Indians will attack come nightfall and Al-Queda is having a little nap between planes.
4. Can I mention money twice???
PSPS
(13,588 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Ter
(4,281 posts)Repealing would not have helped in this case.
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)performed at the inauguration--perversely those who achieve often get targeted by gangs etc.
intheflow
(28,460 posts)because she performed at the inauguration. Or someone was contracted target her and make it look like gang shooting.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Why?
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Of all the targets some enraged "gun nut" could take out, this girl, okay.
nick of time
(651 posts)You're saying this might have been political hit? For what purpose? Because she performed at the Inauguration?
I think the CT forum is down the hall.
RZM
(8,556 posts)MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Wrong place, wrong time most likely.
Either way, it really underscores the need for action on the gun issue immediately.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)BudHardener
(16 posts)It's all about perceptions of power. Some little shit with no life had to take down the kid that makes it.
It's like owning a "vette cuz the pleasure pickle's a mini jerkin.
Ohhhh, see me, fear me, I have a gun.
That lesson is instilled in us by history books, military advertisements (Be all that you can be), television, movies, books and games.
Wanna cut violence in inner cities? Create jobs, education and paths to success. But the money guys in this country don't want you to succeed. They want you under the thumb and thug-lite is replaying that. More guns will be sold.
Only once we evolve as a species will the violence stop. Only once we remove money as the power equator will the violence stop.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)I read a couple of days ago that the city had already hit 40 murders, and January isn't even over yet.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)and gang wars. It's a horrid problem, and it's taking down too many innocent children in the process. It may seem far away from many of us, but it touches us all, for these are all OUR kids. It touched us even personally a few years ago. My husband had a teaching assistant assigned to his class whom he liked enormously, an extremely dedicated and intelligent young African American graduate student. One day she called to say she suddenly couldn't be at class: her young 13-year-old cousin had been killed while driving home with an older brother and younger sister from a basketball game. As the shooters opened fire on their car, he threw himself over his little sister and was killed. We were devastated, shocked, and ... helpless.
To get a better understanding of retaliation killings and what people are trying to do about it, watch The Interrupters, the 2011 documentary from Kartemquin Films and the people who produced Hoop Dreams.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/interrupters/
mopinko
(70,071 posts)leaded gasoline fumes spewed through poor neighborhoods from expressways run through poor neighborhoods.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Where does all this leaded gasoline come from? A time portal from 1978? There hasn't been leaded gasoline since cars started coming with catalytic converters.
The main source of lead exposure in poor neighborhoods is pre-1980s lead paint that for whatever reason still hasn't been removed.
mopinko
(70,071 posts)Now, researchers say they may have found the perfect scapegoat for violent crime: leaded gasoline.
A new study has revealed that the rise and fall of leaded gasoline strongly correlates with the pattern of violent crime rates in America.
Read more at http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/13789/20130107/leaded-gasoline-linked-rise-fall-violent-crime.htm#fCAMzvtb2oEHhhGc.99
lead poisoning remains a serious problem here.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I'm not holding my breath.
mopinko
(70,071 posts)the prison population is dropping.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)new privatized ones are being built all the time.
Of course, that's probably due to the War on Some Drugs rather than violent crime.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)City gangs have been a problem for ages.
It seems that no one really knows what to do to stop gang violence.
I feel very, very sorry for this girl, her family and her friends.
rsmith6621
(6,942 posts)Make every opportunity for gang members to to be come ex-gang members.
If there were more jobs that paid more $$$ gang numbers would be reduced. They are in gangs because they feel there is no hope and this is the climax of their expectation of power. Change their social economic situation and you reduce not eliminate the problem.
As long as this country continues to boil down peoples ability to make it and as long as it is a constant struggle to get simple things there will always be GANGS..
derby378
(30,252 posts)There seems to be so little collective will to do anything about them. Maybe too many fat cats on Wall Street would complain that their pockets were being picked.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)That was set in the 1860s, but the gang problem predates the movie.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)BudHardener
(16 posts)We are a gang society. It's survival and it's always been with us. Consider Europe in the dark ages or Hitler's Brown shirts. A union is a gang. Association is a fancy word for gang. Corporations are gangs with money, their weapons aren't guns though, their weapons are laws and votes and they enforce their will with another gang....called the police.
derby378
(30,252 posts)Humans are social primates, but I use the term gang to refer to a loosely-organized criminal enterprise. I think most policement would be offended at being referred to as gangsters.
BudHardener
(16 posts)Here in Portland we have an activity called "Suicide by Cop" that is perpetrated by a group of armed men in colors, known to lie and prone to violence.
Sounds like gangsters to me.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Watch the movie 'The Wave' (or read the book). People can be motivated to do all sorts of things just to belong.
That's why there are gangs.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)but I've given up thinking that anything will be done.
Dem, Rep, Independent. It seems that the only thing that talks is money and the people in need of jobs don't have money.
I've given up on Obama doing anything to push manufacturing jobs, and those are the ones that pay decently for folks with a H.S. diploma or a C.C. or tech degree.
I am, however, bracing myself for the horror of the Trans Pacific Partnership. That will be the end of the U.S. that I knew as a kid back in the '60s.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)If these gangs weren't fighting over drug turf for their deals, gun deaths would decrease.
SylviaD
(721 posts)iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)the city has seen before...
the number of homicides per 100,000 people a year has actually gone down since early 1990s..
derby378
(30,252 posts)There doesn't seem to be much collective will to actually fix the problem. And now that poor girl is dead.
I don't have any other words than to say I am just seriously depressed by this news. Senseless, brutal, stupid waste.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)in getting simple, common-sense fixes in place for the PTB-imposed insanity that's ensnared our country?
This is sad, and it's sick.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)It seems like a lot of dedicated, intelligent people have tried to do something many times and failed.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)go back to Wall Street for more millions more in pocket cash for a few month's work...
Sorry! That was Chicago's mayor typing, he grabbed hold of my keyboard while I was getting coffee.
First off, we need to stop economic war against the 99%. Those folks that are doing the shooting need a future to look forward to. Right now, they are feeling perma-fucked, and for good reason. Desperate situations make terrible behavior more likely.
Second, our burgeoning penal system, which focuses on making "we're tough on crime" political points and couldn't care less about actual rehabilitation, just makes the situation worse. It has become grad school for criminal studies instead of a way to return to life as a member of decent society.
Third, we need strong gun control all across America. States with stronger gun control have fewer gun deaths. I note that Illinois scores only 35% on the Brady scorecard, perhaps its time for the rest of the state to do the right thing.
derby378
(30,252 posts)The results might be the same either way, but there's less chance for bias in the results.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)That's generally true, but if murder rates were correlated with strong gun laws, California would be one of the safest states. But it's not - Our crime rates are nothing to brag about. Also, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Wyoming would be dangerous places.
The areas where crime rates are high are great distances from states that have looser gun laws, especially compared to East Coast locations with high crime rates. I think poverty rates and population density are better predictors of crime rates.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Yet, below 2.5....
eaglesfanintn
(82 posts)"The areas where crime rates are high are great distances from states that have looser gun laws"
I see higher rates in Louisiana, Mississippi, Arizona and South Carolina than in New York, California, Massachusetts, etc... The only Midatlantic or New England state with a murder rate of 6.0 or higher is Delaware.
Tell me again about East Coast violence and looser gun laws. Last time I checked, Mississippi has some pretty lax laws.
Your comment about poverty rates might be a little more to the point, but your data belies the rest of your point.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Can we agree that focusing on "gun deaths" rather than the overall risk of becoming a murder victim is another kind of selective viewing of data?
Motor vehicle accidents pose a much greater risk to most of us than crime does. I was almost struck by two vehicles last night while crossing one street once. Fortunately I was able to alert both drivers to my presence by shining a 200 lumen flashlight in their faces. That and a knife are the only weapons I carry.
eaglesfanintn
(82 posts)And, like I said, I agree that poverty rates are as much of a predictor as anything else. I'm not sure about pop. density - looking again at the South, I would need to see some of the states broken down individually. Is the rate higher in New Orleans than in the rest of Loiusiana? I would imagine so. Mississippi is not a densely populated state, but it is a poor one. I believe that they're at the top of the "taker" list (even though they vote Republicans in to national offices, have a Republican governor and, I believe, a Republican legislature). But, they're more concerned with making abortions illegal then fixing their economic woes.
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)A San Francisco-based policy center on gun control laws has produced a report that says states with strict gun laws have the lowest gun-related death rates. In contrast, it reports, states with the highest per capita gun death rates have "weak" gun laws.
The study by the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence is touted by Sen. Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) as support for his own legislation tightening California's current assault weapon ban. The bill, SB47, would prohibit semiautomatic weapons from having devices that allow them to carry high-capacity magazines or easily be reloaded with multiple rounds of ammunition. A similar version of the bill failed to pass in 2012.
. . . .
He failed to mention the law center also included California on its list of states with the strongest gun control laws and lowest gun-releated deaths. The center declares California has the toughest gun control laws in the nation and gives the state an "A minus" on its report card, a designation shared only with New Jersey and Massachussetts.
The highest per-capita gun death rates were in Alaska, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Wyoming, Tennessee, Alabama and Mississippi -- states that the law center said have weak gun control laws.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2013/01/tough-gun-control.html
One of Californians' New Years presents was a new set of gun laws. Read them here. Hopefully we will eventually have fewer guns on our crowded streets.
http://www.californiality.com/2012/04/new-california-gun-laws.html
I note that the chart is until 2010.
California's ever tightening gun laws have apparently worked. I'm no expert.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Senator Yee's stupid bill would make it illegal for certain rifles that already exist to have one of the most important safety features of any firearm - The ability to quickly unload the weapon without cycling unfired rounds through the chamber.
I don't really care about "gun death" rates. Focusing on just crimes committed with guns is a canard used by gun prohibitionists.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Your map is old. The LA Times article is more recent. I also heard this news on the radio last week. California's tighter gun laws coincide with a reduction in gun deaths. As I understand it, in all but one neighborhood of LA, gun deaths have declined.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...since then.
The same is true for the USA in general.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm
There were no significant gun law changes at either the federal or state level that coincide with that time.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)...a failed drug policy is to blame. What do people think the gangs are fighting over?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)I would make every single gun transaction, public and private, require registration of the firearm to the owner. Then, if the firearm is used it the commission of a crime, be it by someone who had it legally or illegally, I would advocate that it be traced to the last person it was registered to and hold THEM partially accountable unless they can provide a police report saying the firearm was stolen.
I believe this would go a LONG way in making sure that less guns end up in the hands of criminals as the people selling them to, or buying them for, the gangs and criminals might think twice.
George II
(67,782 posts)...I wonder what he would say if it was his daughter?
iandhr
(6,852 posts)I wish my daughter was packing.
Iggo
(47,547 posts)nick of time
(651 posts)but to what purpose?
Such a tragedy.
Iggo
(47,547 posts)nick of time
(651 posts)It sounds like she may have been targeted, but why?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That's why pro athletes and rappers get targetted, for instance.
nick of time
(651 posts)in a perverted way.
RZM
(8,556 posts)She was a regular kid whose band played at the inauguration. While that is quite an honor, I highly doubt that anybody around her felt that this elevated her to a different status.
And the thing about rappers and athletes doesn't make sense either. The killers of Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. have never come forward, so it's hard to argue that their goal was notoriety.
Actually, the Tupac murder was almost certainly the culmination of an ordinary street beef. His crew had fisticuffs with another crew, and members of the latter crew settled the score with a gun. Tupac himself admitted that he would probably die young because of his wild behavior.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)nick of time
(651 posts)Chicago news station has said that she was hanging out with gang affliated people and was shot by a rival gang member.
It appears to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)nick of time
(651 posts)on both sides of the issue.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)I've had two students in the past year lose brothers due to jealousy. Just dumb teenager stuff that used to result in a fistfight but now "I'll get him" means killing him with a gun.
nick of time
(651 posts)I don't know the reason, but the police are saying that it looks like it's a case of her being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
SCantiGOP
(13,868 posts)If you don't have the right to live, no other rights are meaningful.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)That girl's right to live was infringed by a criminal.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Some wrongheaded Americans love their rights to as many effing guns and as much ammo as they can afford rather than their fellow American's life that, well, don't seem to give them the "warm and fuzzies" their killing devices do. I mean, hey . . . if twenty SLAUGHTERED six-year-olds isn't enough for those Americans to rethink their arming-themselves-to-their-teeth fetish, what will, right?
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Keeping the scumbag who shot her in jail would have.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Because her horrible fate was set with this particular scumbag and not any other.
Yet according to you, it's far less plausible that were guns illegal and not as easily accessible or cheaply manufactured by the millions by corporate firearm manufacturers as they are today, she would still be targeted by a scumbag who escaped prison sentencing only now, without have access to cheap illegal firearms that can be bought ON LINE, he'd be wielding a kitchen knife or maybe even a molitive cocktail.
Face it. This country's fetish with guns is the reason why this girl and twenty innocent six-year-old babies were slaughtered, not because some deranged scumbag decided to go on a killing spree "just cuz". They had the means; they didn't have to look their victims in the eye, and it doesn't matter if they had "the motive".
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)I'm not interested in defending myself against your silly straw man argument.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)But no less unreasonable than your silly strawman argument about some random scumbag armed with a deadly weapon designed TO KILL who just happens to be the designated scumbag that our laws, according to you, were too lax to keep in jail.
Thank you for proving that some fetishes are really too hard for some people to break free of.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Odds are good that it's a young male with a criminal record.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)in order not to have to face the cold-hard truth, you're forgetting ONE MAJOR detail here: he had a gun; a killing weapon; a weapon designed to KILL. And he used it for that purpose to take a young girl's life like it was nothing.
The "mentally unstable" excuse is wearing very thin. There are sociopaths and gangs all across the globe, and in every demographic and every race, yet the stats for gun-related slaughters seem to be all concentrated in this so-called civilized society with a corrupted 2nd Amendment law - the United States.
Why's that? Well, guns are much too easy to get a hold of. Even when bought legally, fully registered, and by a person who passes all mental health tests (should they ever administer any - *that ain't gonna happen considering our sorry state of access to health services in this country as well), they somehow always wind up in the hands of "scumbags" with "bad natures" slaughtering kids as easily as taking out their trash. If you can't see that this country has a serious gun problem that's killing our fellow Americans at terrifying rate just so a few gun-nuts can kiss their firearms every night, then perhaps our lawmakers can in order to protect the rest of us who do.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Botany
(70,483 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)Melinda
(5,465 posts)RIP, little one.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)My condolences to her family.. So awful.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)I'm glad you are bringing it to the forefront but I just get so angry and sad when I see this.
GET RID OF ALL FUCKING GUNS, ALL OF THEM. NOT JUST ASSAULT ONES OR OUZI ONES, ALL OF THE FUCKING GUNS.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Except, of course, those that are possessed and used by government employees.
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)The problem is, it can't. Therefore, we have to make compromises because it's not fair/safe for only the criminals (amongst the general populace) to have the guns ... which is what would happen if we just outlawed them outright w/o having the means and will to actually take every single one of them away.
But if your argument is we'll all automatically be repressed if it were the situation (i.e. only the 'government' had the guns) I'd just point to the dozens of first and second world countries where that is exactly the case ... yet people are not being repressed any more than we are here with our 300,000,000 firearms in private hands.
IMHO you have to either be a gun fetishist or generally prone to irrational beliefs to conclude that our 300M guns in private hands are the 'source' of our 'liberty' in this country. There's simply WAAAAY too many other free countries where almost nobody has guns outside the government.
Ian Iam
(386 posts)I'm a grown man who is sobbing now. I apologize for any spelling errors.
sakabatou
(42,146 posts)But it was someone who saw the inauguration and somehow hated her. Yeah, way to point out the obvious 'Batou.
derby378
(30,252 posts)The city should relocate those that are trying to make something of their lives and put the gangsters and street trash behind bars where they belong. But I know that's not going to happen, cannot happen.
I am just so sick over Hadiya's senseless, brutal death.
former9thward
(31,967 posts)Where are you going to put two million people?
derby378
(30,252 posts)Like I said, it couldn't happen. Any attempt at mass relocation, just look at how well we did after Hurricanes Katrina and Sandy. Bad craziness all around.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It's just the way their "brain" works.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)brett_jv
(1,245 posts)I heard somewhere there's now Newtown 'Truthers' (lol at them copying the 9/11 skeptics nomenclature). Think it might've been a clip from Alex Jones website I saw on DU the other day.
I say there's NO DOUBT that by tomorrow AM if one were to go to Freeptardville there will be some heavily trafficked thread full of wingnut gun fetishists promulgating this EXACT conspiracy theory ... Obama 'had her whacked'.
I imagine the office shooting that happened a couple miles away from my office in Phoenix this afternoon will be the source of similar rantings ... in fact, in these people's minds, EVERY GUN CRIME that happens from now on will be Obama having people killed to help him pass the American 100% Gun Confiscation Act that they just KNOW he's working on. And that's, of course, so that he eventually can ship all the right-wing 'patriots' to the FEMA camps without a fight and turn America into a Communist Muslim paradise.
Not that a lot of us didn't do the exact same type of crazy thinking back in the days of the DimSon (in fact I admit to remaining to this day firmly in the LIHOP camp), but ... I'd like to think we didn't engage in stupidity of QUITE that magnitude.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)angrychair
(8,690 posts)Has been twisted into a Constitutional mandate to the right to own any firearm and to use it any way a person would want. Not sure how we got here but that argument is absurd. I believe we need to either repeal or re-define the second amendment to help us move past this to a more honest debate on how to fix the problem. Repealing or re-writing it WOULD NOT, in itself, prevent people from owning a gun but it would remove this fixation on a "right" to own a gun. The Constitution should no more give a right to own a gun than a car or house or boat. Our Constitution is a set of principles that denote who we are and how our government should work and the relationship between the citizen and government. There should never be a "right" to own something, be it a person or an object. It has no place in a document like the Constitution. We have LAWS that denote the terms by which we can own an object or not own one. We may want to own an elephant but there are laws that control the terms and conditions by which we can own an elephant. Why should guns be any different than anything else?
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)It most certainly does NOT say "sell", nor does it expressly say "own".
I think the only avenue available to assail it is on those grounds (since outright repeal is clearly not plausible).
Passing federal laws regarding 'sales' and 'ownership' do not violate the letter (nor the spirit, IMHO) of this Amendment, so I think that's how we need to frame the common-sense legislation at a national level that so many of us here are in favor of.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Try telling that to the wackos though. You'll become their #1 enemy. lol
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)If 20 six-year-olds wasn't enough, Hadiya Pendleton surely will be.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)a panademic needs a host, give the vaccine to enough people, and there is no where for the panademic to continue. It dies out.
takes a while, not immediate.
the legal guns in a state without major controls, allows gun murderers to murder in a state where hter are big restrictions
The NRA as a terror org. with million dollar soundbytes, tries to drown that out.
They focus(many times on blacks, btw, or other minorities, trying to terrorize their core groups who are in sycnch with the old JOhn Birch society mentality and try to say it is their fault
Faulty logic
it is the legal guns, the legal gun dealers, the gun shows that get those guns into Illinois.
Because a legal driver, who isn't speeding, has no broken mirrors or lights, drives like he is not hiding aynthing, can easily bring 100 guns into an area with no one knowing
(no matter the laws, no one sees it)
No more mr. nice guy
more security, and yes, checkpoints before entering a state
The repubs want border patrols in the south, well, let's have border patrol by the feds,
at each state's border. Zero tolerance.
and turn back anyone found with a gun going into the states that have laws saying no to that.
Put a ring around it.
Then make new laws and deal one at a time, with all the guns in the streets
legal and illegal
It is the legal guns that make any type of real control impossible.
as it stands
IMHO and feel free to disagree.
former9thward
(31,967 posts)There are tens of thousands of entry points for the 50 states. A gun is very easy to hide. So every car entering a state would have to be torn apart -- not to mention the hundreds of thousands of trucks traveling through. Wow.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)What a waste, only 15 years old!!! She had her whole life ahead of her.
What IS happening in Chicago? It has become the murder capital. Too many young people killing other young people. What are politicians and the authorities doing about it?
struggle4progress
(118,273 posts)at the park with about 12 other teenagers when a man jumped a fence, ran up to them and opened fire. The gunman then fled the scene in an automobile ... No arrests have been made ...
January 30, 2013 11:50 AM
Hadiya Pendleton Murder: Teen girl who performed at President Obama's inauguration fatally shot at Chicago park, report says
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57566658-504083/hadiya-pendleton-murder-teen-girl-who-performed-at-president-obamas-inauguration-fatally-shot-at-chicago-park-report-says/
... Police say she was not in a gang nor the intended target of a fatal Tuesday shooting. Hadiya's family and classmates are left to mourn her death after police say she was shot in the back while hanging out with a group of teens in a park at 2:30 p.m. Tuesday ...
Chicago girl who performed at inauguration shot dead
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8973551
nick of time
(651 posts)She was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
What a tragic loss of such a beautiful girl.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)She had a great future ahead of her.
Will the republicans heckle her parents too?
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)I weep for the children in Chicago...
harrose
(380 posts)If the average citizen participates or celebrates anything having to do with Obama, she or he could be next.
nick of time
(651 posts)It was a case of her being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was a gang member targeting other gang members.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)I suspect it was Rush Limbaugh who did it... wait did they say "jumped the fence"? Okay, maybe Sean Hannity would be more realistic. Better yet, maybe it was Paul Ryan. I heard he once jumped the grand canyon.
nick of time
(651 posts)It was Jay Carney in a false flag op.
harrose
(380 posts)... but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this is a "message" from the Rethugs to the average American.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Usually, when people send "messages" it's apparent, not disguised to look like something it's not.
harrose
(380 posts)That's a heck of a coincidence.
nick of time
(651 posts)being in the wrong place in the wrong time. Nothing sinister about it, a gang member shot at a rival gang member and she was caught in the crossfire, nothing more.
Coincidences do happen you know.
harrose
(380 posts)... to be involved and orchestrate gang activity.
nick of time
(651 posts)It was simply a case of her being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
harrose
(380 posts)... but you don't know that for sure -- any more than I know for sure that it *was* right wing. Admittedly, we're both guessing. But I have long since learned that the RW doesn't deserve the benefit of any doubt.
nick of time
(651 posts)However, the police believe that its another random act of gang violence.
harrose
(380 posts)... often aren't.
nick of time
(651 posts)but until there is evidence to suggest that this is something other than random, I tend to believe the police.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Most of the 500 plus killings last year in Chicago were committed by young AA men, mostly killing each other. Unfortunately, many innocents got caught in the crossfire, just like this lovely girl.
hue
(4,949 posts)samsingh
(17,594 posts)damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)Enough already.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Heart-breaking for any parent to lose a child so young, especially in such a violent and senseless manner.
Not Me
(3,398 posts)When, when, when are we going to get serious.
nick of time
(651 posts)and the adults can discuss and come to some real reform of the nations gun laws.
TBF
(32,041 posts)What is your "adult" solution? I'd love to hear your "real reform" suggestions.
nick of time
(651 posts)Real reform would be universal background checks, limit mags to 10 rounds, prosecute all gun violations with tough penalties, Just to name a few.
There are extremists on both sides of the issue that are drowning out the sensible people who truly want to do the right thing.
You have on the far right those that say there should be no restrictions on firearms, and on the far left, you have those that want to repeal the 2A and confiscate all firearms.
How is this conductive to an honest debate?
TBF
(32,041 posts)and it doesn't surprise me. New Zealand managed to get rid of assault weapons and we can do it too.
I know all about the "sensible" gun measures NRA is proposing ...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/21/1180075/-NRA-debate-tips
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)BudHardener
(16 posts)I think the adults are the problem. Where else do our kids get their education.
Let's not be exclusionary. Consider that Vietnam was ended because of youth protest and that only adults can take a country to war under false pretenses.
The Military-Industrial Complex needs to be recognized for what it is; fear-mongering profiteers who don't care whether we live or die just as long as they can make a buck at it. It's not extremism, it's bizness.
nick of time
(651 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Have some respect.
Knock it off with the semantics squabbling.
What would be a more constructive and less violent way to discuss violence?
Can we ask ourselves that before beating each other up?
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)We watched gangs arm themselves in our cities and did nothing meaningful to stop them, why?
We watched gun accidents rise across our country and did nothing meaningful to reverse them, why?
We watched the rise of violent games and movie content and did nothing, why?
We were told that being strong and having the largest military in the world would make us free, why did we believe those lies?
Are you ready to change that now?
askeptic
(478 posts)...Chicago has had some of the strictest gun laws. So look it up and see if Chicago shootings just started...
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Just 15 years old and with a lot of promise........R.I.P. Hadiya.
farminator3000
(2,117 posts)lying AND being 'condesceding' is a bad combo...
nice! Leahy didn't even let him finish saying 'thank you'.
ya, ok, you freak, fuck you very much
farminator3000
(2,117 posts)oh, my god does he look bad.
'let's make this simple- that's not my question, i'm not playing games here!"
poor wayne!
again!
"with all due respect, time's up, that wans't the question i asked.." with a little smile..that was PRICELESS!!!
wayney was WHINING!
so sad!
llmart
(15,536 posts)are nothing but grown up bullies with self-esteem issues and when confronted by a real man who doesn't tremble in their presence, well, they show their true colors and show themselves for the cowards they are.
Leahy was terrific.
farminator3000
(2,117 posts)i was wondering when bullying would come up
she was a mellow end to the proceedings!
farminator3000
(2,117 posts)'yes mental health screenings need to be available...AND HIGH CAP MAGS STILL SUCK'
to paraphrase.
nice!
this lawyer from CO is a total ass wipe, however!
farminator3000
(2,117 posts)'what has it been 18 years? you look good, sir'
FIRST time i've actually seen wayney look human!
then leahy sez
'i'll give the perogitive to laughter..on that one'
had to rewind that a couple times, he sounds like william s burroughs!
farminator3000
(2,117 posts)i swear he gave wayney the stink-eye when he said that
James Johnson,
The organizations in the National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence are united in urgently calling on Congress to:
Require background checks for all firearm purchasers;
Ensure that prohibited purchaser records in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), are up-to-date and accurate; and
Limit high capacity ammunition feeding devices to ten rounds.
Seven of our nine groups, including the largest organizations among us, also support a ban on
2
assault weapons and Senator Feinsteins legislation.
http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/pdf/1-30-13JohnsonTestimony.pdf
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)I'm going to start saying that, only cowards shoot unarmed people.
In 71 years I have never needed a gun.
But to be fair, the military has done a great job of putting people in harms way and making them fearful for their safety when they return to civilian life.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)then again, none of those people performed at the inauguration.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)I can't believe it.
My heart just breaks for her parents.
Danmel
(4,911 posts)and so pointless. What was the point of killing this young girl just beginning her life. There is something so pathological about all of this violence. Sad. Just really, really sad.
southern_belle
(1,647 posts)Hadiya
Prayers to your family and friends
eridani
(51,907 posts)mimi85
(1,805 posts)since the 60s/70s. When will it ever end? Sadly, it won't. Not as long as there are humans. My daughter was born in 1968 (a pretty violent year). I asked that question then and am asking it now. Only then, I had hope. Now I'm not so sure.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I don't blame the people who have guns, but the people who oppose gun control. Those are a small (but very vocal) subset of those who own guns. They will continue to obstruct as more people get killed.
As an aside, I can see this as a new right wing conspiracy already. Not only was she in the inauguration parade, she's from Chicago. The right is going to come up with all kinds of twisted stories about this.
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)It won't take but seconds for the freeptards to start howling that the President had her 'whacked' to further his gun-grabbing agenda. They'll be CONVINCED, I guarantee it.
mia
(8,360 posts)May the tragedy that stopped your life short help to bring our world to a better place. I'm sorry.
bubbayugga
(222 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)BainsBane
(53,027 posts)who troll the internet. One more dead child to add to their column of wins.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)These are the worst kinds of deaths. I just feel an enormous sense of failure. American failure.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)A few years a go the murder rate was down. The penalties for unlawful possession of a firearm and felon in possession went up, dudes started getting pinched with guns and they were going away for a long time, like 2-5 years. Folks started carrying guns less, fewer murders.
Contrary to popular perception, this surge in murders in Chicago have little to do with fights over drug turf. It is imbeciles shooting other morons over trivial shit. Insults on facebook. Being "disrespected". Fools will always be fools but fools with guns are very dangerous. Also, many of the leaders of the big gangs - Gangster Disciples come to mind - have gone away and won't be getting out. So different subsets or cliques of the same gangs are shooting each other. Teenagers killing teenagers.
OK, back to the fiscal story. Illinois cannot house enough prisoners nowadays. Heck, there are prisons built that can't be staffed. We are selling a prison to the Feds. Illinois is worse than broke - we don't pay out bills. So since the state won't house these shitheads the charges get tossed or plead down - instead for IDOC time it is plead to time served in county.
So, what is going to change because of this poor girls murder? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Sure there will be a march of the reverends (many of whom are in bed with gangs). Rahm may shed another tear at this funeral. But the resources and the will to crack down is not here and will not return.
(Also, the Chicago Police Department has by and large retired in place. Moral is in the toilet. Manpower is down because...wait for it...the City is broke.)
Chicago is in a death spiral. I'm leaving.