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Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:13 PM

Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School

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Source: Patheos.com - The Friendly Atheist

A group of Arizona politicians — all Republicans, of course — have proposed a law (House Bill 2467) requiring public high school students to recite the following oath in order to graduate:

I, _______, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God.

To quote Comedy Central’s Ilya Gerner: “Nothing says ‘I take this obligation freely’ quite like a state law that withholds your diploma unless you swear an oath.”


Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/01/25/arizona-republicans-propose-bill-that-would-not-allow-atheists-to-graduate-high-school/



Coming soon to Arizona: new state bills that

(a) forbid atheists to marry until and unless they declare a major religion (none of that cultic, less-than-a-million-followers stuff, thank you).

(b) force agnostics to sport question mark symbols on their clothing when they go about in public.

(c) make it illegal for home owners to hire a licensed plumber until they first dress in neo-fascist (or Confederate) regalia and then recite a loyalty oath to their privatized water utility (attested to by three religionist notaries in good standing before work commences).

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Reply Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School (Original post)
cer7711 Jan 2013 OP
kairos12 Jan 2013 #1
niyad Jan 2013 #3
obama2terms Jan 2013 #13
niyad Jan 2013 #2
still_one Jan 2013 #4
Auggie Jan 2013 #21
hrmjustin Jan 2013 #5
AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #6
Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2013 #17
AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #19
unblock Jan 2013 #7
Tab Jan 2013 #8
MichiganVote Jan 2013 #9
8 track mind Jan 2013 #10
chuckstevens Jan 2013 #11
avebury Jan 2013 #12
obama2terms Jan 2013 #14
PatrynXX Jan 2013 #15
Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #23
Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2013 #16
Socal31 Jan 2013 #18
DavidWD72 Jan 2013 #20
George II Jan 2013 #22
primavera Jan 2013 #24
PaulaFarrell Jan 2013 #25
LTG Jan 2013 #26
Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #27
Rhiannon12866 Jan 2013 #28

Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:20 PM

1. We're Number One--In the Category of Craziest State-the AZ

Sorry the rest of the U.S:

See your crazy, and raise you a hate speech and laws against a class of people.

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Response to kairos12 (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:22 PM

3. well, there is the TN sen who wants to tie welfare payments to the kids' grades in school

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Response to niyad (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:46 PM

13. Don't worry

He's irrelevant in fact there's a magazine here that has "boner of the year" awards and guess who won...

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:21 PM

2. shhhhh--don't give them any ideas

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:22 PM

4. Absolutely unconstitutional. Why are the representatives of Arizona wasting their time on worthless

Legislation that will never be allowed

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Response to still_one (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:39 PM

21. +1

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:23 PM

5. What in God's name were they thinking?

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:25 PM

6. This has to be the stupidest thing I have heard to date. Son na baka na.

Kore wa watashi ga imamade kiita koto ga orokana koto desu. Neboken ja neyo.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:06 PM

17. dui. zhege shi yige feichang sha xiangfa. yalisangna zhou zhengfu you hen shao bendan.

 

womende zhouzheng shi yige da, tamade shabi. Ta shi zhi zhege xingqiu shàng zui yuchunde biaozi.

You speak japanese. i speak mandarin.

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Response to Nanjing to Seoul (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:24 PM

19. *Claps* wonderful! wan shan hao!

by the way.. coming soon! Xin Nian Kuai Le.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:26 PM

7. why not ban atheists from commerce, and corral them into ghettos before sending them to camps?

i'd say but given that poppy once declared that atheists didn't deserve citizenship, you know the only reason they're not proposing this is because SOMEone went and gave this sort of idea a bad name....

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:36 PM

8. Yo! Church and State, anyone?

Jes' sayin!

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:36 PM

9. Oh for fuck's sake-no wonder these people were thrown out of Europe. Jesus.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:38 PM

10. man, just when i thought texas was a fucked up state..... n/t

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:41 PM

11. Yeah...

Well, that certainly seems Constitutional!

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:46 PM

12. I am surprised that Sally Kern hasn't proposed something

like that in Oklahoma.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:48 PM

14. LOL

That's not even constitutional, haha this shit stain won't even pass

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:00 PM

15. Bit of a stretch to think this is aimed just at atheists

take one extreme to the other.

more likely aimed at Muslims... so if he says Allah he's in trouble.

or goes the old joke from Carlin Do you believe in god? no. bang dead. do you believe in god , yes, do you believe in my god? no , bang dead. my god has a bigger dick than your god...

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:14 PM

23. not just atheists maybe but we are more despised than muslims

 

so it is certainly possible.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:00 PM

16. All public employees must take this oath already. i had to as a teacher and i strenuously objected

 

to it. i was threatened with arrest. i pulled out my aclu card and dialed immediately, saying my right to silent protest was being attacked by the Arizona State government and they were about to break a written contract because of it.

The state backed down.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:21 PM

18. I would just hide my atheism.....

I would just hide my atheism and praise FSM and his glorious noodly appendage.

Why do they have time to come up with this crap?

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:36 PM

20. America's list here

Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and James Madison would not be allowed to graduate high school in Arizona under this law. Get it together people.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:41 PM

22. People don't "graduate" high school, they "graduate FROM" high school

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:31 PM

24. A European friend asked me about this...

... and wanted to know whether it was customary for Americans to have to take an oath of any sort in order to graduate. I told her that, in my experience, I had never encountered any such oath taking requirement. For professional licensure following graduation, okay, maybe then, but to simply graduate from an educational institution? I've never heard of anyone having to take any oath. Has anyone else encountered this? Are there states where students have to make some sort of oath/solemn attestation/whatever in order to receive their degree?

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:38 PM

25. The 'so help me god' part bothers me less than the rest of it

'so help me god' is such a common part of speech it's not all that meaningful, and it's a stretch to say this is aimed at atheists or anyone's religion. I find the 'patriotic' click-your-heels and salute part a lot more chilling.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:40 PM

26. Arizona's oath of office for all Arizona

State and local employees and office holders allows the person taking the oath to either "swear" or "affirm" the oath. An oath that is sworn to ends with the phrase "so help me God" while an affirmation ( " I do solemnly affirm") does not require the final phrase to be spoken.

I don't know how long this has been the law in Arizona, but the original Federal equivalent was established this way in the original Act creating the oath in 1789. No Federal officer, office holder, employee, or President has ever been required to "swear" an Oath, an "affirmation" of the oath is specifically stated to be equally acceptable.

The Constitution also specifies that religion (or lack thereof) can never be a bar to holding federal office.

Seems like even Arizona law will require that either a sworn or affirmed oath are equally acceptable. The Bill may assume tis will be the case and are more interested in an "Oath of Loyalty", as it is often referred to, as opposed to a religious based oath. Sounds like it is directed more to immigrants.

Right Wing extremists are often expressing concern about to whom the immigrants from south of our border are truly loyal. They make a big deal about the waving of Mexican flags, etc.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:08 AM

27. And to think I was considering a move to this crazy state

 

I was thinking of moving to Phoenix. For such a crazy Republican state it's got lots of gays. It's also beautiful and as much as I hate the heat I could deal with 115 dry heat for 3 months or 3 months of hot and humid in the northeast which is worse. But I don't think I could move to such an ass backward state.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:13 AM

28. Locking, sorry, this isn't breaking news, article is from Friday

But this would be great in one of the Religion forums! Please feel free to repost. Thanks for your understanding.

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