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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:17 PM

N. Korea threatens nuclear test, more rocket launches in wake of tightened sanctions

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Source: Washington Post

N. Korea threatens nuclear test, more rocket launches in wake of tightened sanctions

By Chico Harlan, Published: January 23 | Updated: Thursday, January 24, 9:05 AM

SEOUL —North Korea on Thursday threatened to carry out a nuclear test as part of an “all-out action” against the United States, which it called the “main player” behind recently tightened international sanctions.

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“We judge North Korea by its actions,” Carney told reporters at his daily briefing. “Provocative acts like this are significant violations.”

Intelligence experts in Seoul and Washington have speculated for months that the secretive police state is preparing to conduct its third nuclear test, based on satellite photos showing activity at the North’s test site. Pyongyang’s state news agency also has made several opaque references about bolstering the nation’s “nuclear deterrent.”

But the statement Thursday was the clearest sign yet of the North’s intentions, though it did not say when the threatened nuclear test might be carried out. The statement also had an unusually explicit focus on the United States, which Pyongyang described as “the sworn enemy of the Korean people.”

North Korea said it would retaliate against the United States with “force, not with words, as it regards jungle law as the rule of its survival.” As part of this show of force, it also pledged to launch long-range rockets, similar to the one it sent into orbit last month, which prompted the toughened U.N. Security Council sanctions.

“They have been hinting at , I suppose, for some time,” said Glyn Davies, the Obama administration’s envoy for North Korea policy, who was in Seoul on Thursday. “We think that that would be a mistake, obviously. We call on North Korea, as does the entire international community, not to engage in any further provocations.”

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Reply N. Korea threatens nuclear test, more rocket launches in wake of tightened sanctions (Original post)
ErikJ Jan 2013 OP
mbperrin Jan 2013 #1
dallaslibguy1966104 Jan 2013 #5
FrodosPet Jan 2013 #10
mbperrin Jan 2013 #14
gcrod15914sgg88 Jan 2013 #24
mbperrin Jan 2013 #12
gcrod15914sgg88 Jan 2013 #25
cstanleytech Jan 2013 #6
mbperrin Jan 2013 #13
fujiyama Jan 2013 #9
mbperrin Jan 2013 #11
fujiyama Jan 2013 #16
mbperrin Jan 2013 #18
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onehandle Jan 2013 #4
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mbperrin Jan 2013 #15
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fujiyama Jan 2013 #8
mbperrin Jan 2013 #17
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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:35 PM

1. They're a sovereign nation. They can do as they like.

I think they're being rational. The only category of nation the US has not jumped on is those with nuclear weapons.

So if I didn't want Uncle Sugar shock and awe-ing me, I'd get a nuke. Pronto.

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Response to mbperrin (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:54 PM

5. What?

 

Are you defending North Korea, the last Stalinist dictatorship?

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Response to dallaslibguy1966104 (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:09 AM

10. They hate America

And hating America is the greatest thing in the world anybody can do.

Letting their people starve, brutally crushing dissent, threatening their neighbors? No problem! They thumb their nose at the west and have some weird Stalinist version of socialism, so they are A number one good guys.

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:25 AM

14. I don't know that they hate America. Lots of US citizens go there pretty often,

like the Google folks recently and many others through the years. I think they probably hate our government threatening them, and then putting an embargo on them, and then criticizing them because they have little to do with other countries.

See, bullies, tear your shirt and then laugh because you have holes in your clothes. Figure out who has the holes and who's laughing, and you'll find the bullies.

Letting people starve? Thank goodness in the USA, the richest country in the world, no child goes to sleep hungry at night.

Brutally crushing dissent? Thank goodness Kent State never happened, nor COINTELPRO, nor arresting Bradley Manning, right?

Threatening their neighbors? Thank goodness we don't do that - after all, North Korea is too far away to be our neighbor, although the Russians were right across the Bering Strait all the while we had MAD.

Thumbing their nose at other groups of countries? Thank goodness the good old USA never rejected the power of the international community to end extraordinary rendition, just to start at one place.

Weird Stalinist view of socialism? Thank goodness the top 2% of people in this country don't own 70% of all assets in some weird Randian version of capitalism!

Better get a mirror.

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Response to mbperrin (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:13 AM

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Response to dallaslibguy1966104 (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:15 AM

12. Not at all. I'm saying they are a sovereign nation.

So are we. Imagine the howls if any other nation or group of nations told us that they were going to control our weapons development and so on. We'd just fold and say, well, gosh, I see that you're right.

Only one country has ever dropped nukes on the population of another country - us.

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Response to mbperrin (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:13 AM

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Response to mbperrin (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:16 AM

6. As is the US and the rest of the nations of the world and if they agree to sanction N Korea

for its actions then that is their right.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:18 AM

13. And so they are not entitled to sanction us?

See? There's that good old American exceptionalism.

Everything from extermination of indigenous people to "interning" American citizens of Japanese descent to feeding mentally retarded children radioactive cornflakes to raping and killing nuns in South America. All good when we do it, but someone else talks tough, WHOAAA, they're the worst people that ever lived.

Nah.

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Response to mbperrin (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:43 AM

9. "They can do as they like" : WTF?

Threatening the US, Japan, South Korea or any other country is neither rational or defensible in any way.

North Korea already has nukes and we've known that for a while. That's not even the issue. The issue is that they're constantly threatening to test these nukes and take other very provocative measures like testing missiles - which are flying over Japanese territory.

All the countries in the region and around the world should find this alarming.

But continue to play meaningless moral-equivalence games if it makes you feel better.

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Response to fujiyama (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:13 AM

11. It's not meaningless. We have the messes in Iraq and Afghanistan

to answer for, and that's just recently.

Bases around the world, drone killings involving children and all that.

We're the biggest threat to world peace, and not theoretically, actually. We're the ones all around the globe sticking our nose in and choosing the winners and losers, and at home, bank bailouts, attempting to rollback Roe v Wade and all the rest.

I've been quite embarrassed to be a US citizen most of the last decade. Moments here and there are good, but overall, no.

We spend more than half of all military spending on the planet. We have 3/4 of all the nukes on the planet. We're still developing additional biological weapons as we speak. They tried to scare me with the Russians growing up. They collapsed. They tried to scare me with the "terrorists" lately, but drunk drivers kill more people in this country every few weeks than died in the twin towers. So if I don't just swallow everything about North Korea that my "betters" want to feed me, forgive me, I've got 6 decades of deception, lies and fear-mongering to compare.

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Response to mbperrin (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:29 AM

16. I'm not saying we should sit around being scared - and the last thing we want or need is a military

conflict with NK. It would be a nightmare.

I think the administration is taking the right course here - working with the international community in building sanctions. Granted North Korea is used to being completely isolated so they won't mean much.

All I'm saying is no country (including us) has a right to threaten others - and flying missiles over other countries is pretty deliberately provocative.

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Response to fujiyama (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:36 AM

18. 737 military bases in other countries with 2.5 million military personnel

stationed there seems a bit threatening to me, too, but what they hey - we're those GOOD guys!

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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:02 AM

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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:03 AM

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:36 PM

2. Maybe if they do it in that large river in the north they can spark life again

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:36 PM

3. Again?

 

North Korea with another threat. Okay, that's news to me. ;D

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:53 PM

4. We should have taken them down in the 50s. nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:17 AM

7. No, the leadership of China should have stepped in and dealt with it. Instead they have allowed

the leadership of N Korea to behave like petulant children.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:27 AM

15. Okay, are they children or are they dangerous monsters bringing the world close to the

brink of annihilation?

See? There's that good old paternalistic power-over thinking again. It has sure made for a peaceful planet.

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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:33 AM

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Response to onehandle (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:36 AM

8. Didn't General McArthur want to launch fifty nukes during the Korean war? At China I think?

My guess is that we'd probably still be where we're at. NK proves that if a country wants nukes desperately enough, it will find a way to obtain them. Their people starve and live in completely isolation, and they're totally brainwashed. Yet this is a country with one of the largest standing armies in the world.

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Response to fujiyama (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:32 AM

17. Strangely, the CIA doesn't agree with your facts.

Just a little dab on farming there:

Since 2002, the government has allowed private "farmers' markets" to begin selling a wider range of goods. It also permitted some private farming - on an experimental basis - in an effort to boost agricultural output.

Now this is from the CIA Factbook, and they don't presume to give a number for their armed forces, among other things. Give it a look:

www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kn.html

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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:33 AM

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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:34 AM

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:38 AM

26. Locking, sorry, this is a duplicate. Please continue discussion and post updates here:

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