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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:56 PM

El Paso County (Colorado) passes measure defying Obama's gun control orders

Source: Denver Post


El Paso County commissioners, from left, Amy Lathen, Sallie Clark and Peggy Littleton posed before construction started on the new shooting range at Fort Carson. (Gazette file, Tom Roeder)

El Paso County's commissioners won't enforce laws federal or state that infringe on the Second Amendment right to bear arms and are prepared to face any financial consequences of not following federal law.

The five-member board may be the first elected panel in Colorado to pass a resolution challenging President Barack Obama's 23 executive orders designed to crack down on gun violence, but others could soon follow.

Weld County's commissioners on Monday will discuss a pro-Second Amendment resolution. And sheriffs in El Paso, Garfield, Larimer and Weld counties have announced similar stances.

County resolutions are typically symbolic gestures intended to show support for an issue.


Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22436618/el-paso-county-passes-measure-support-second-amendment



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Reply El Paso County (Colorado) passes measure defying Obama's gun control orders (Original post)
El Supremo Jan 2013 OP
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #1
SwankyXomb Jan 2013 #9
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #12
pasto76 Jan 2013 #13
EC Jan 2013 #2
judesedit Jan 2013 #3
judesedit Jan 2013 #4
Hard Assets Jan 2013 #5
Renew Deal Jan 2013 #6
MissMarple Jan 2013 #7
mountain grammy Jan 2013 #26
frylock Jan 2013 #8
rickyhall Jan 2013 #10
MrModerate Jan 2013 #11
pasto76 Jan 2013 #14
MrModerate Jan 2013 #15
MindMover Jan 2013 #16
hack89 Jan 2013 #19
MindMover Jan 2013 #20
hack89 Jan 2013 #21
MindMover Jan 2013 #22
hack89 Jan 2013 #23
MindMover Jan 2013 #24
hack89 Jan 2013 #25
MindMover Jan 2013 #27
Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #17
world wide wally Jan 2013 #18

Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:12 PM

1. The taxpayers are going to be SOOOO happy when federal funds for their entire county

(which is home to Colorado Springs) are yanked for their failure to follow federal law.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:04 PM

9. It might be tough to do that

considering it's home to both the Air Force Academy and NORAD.

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Response to SwankyXomb (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:50 PM

12. They can and should be relocated.

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Response to SwankyXomb (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:08 PM

13. not to mention a mobilization hub. 33% of the population here lives of the guvment

and almost all of them are wing nuts. Seriously. Like genuine ZEAL. I havent met an actual republican since Ive lived here 12 years now.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:16 PM

2. Financial consequences?

Is that all they would get for not following laws that they have taken oaths to enforce? They won't take the laws to court because they know they are Constitutional, so how can they not enforce laws?

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:24 PM

3. They have hand guns.0's been said about them.Careful you don't shoot each other & fall on your ass

doing so. Maybe break a tooth.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:25 PM

4. Everybody's tough with a gun in their hand.Don't forget it can be taken from u & used against u

Look at them. How immature.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:40 PM

5. Home of the Focus on the Family and the Liberterian paradise of Colorado Springs. Also the only

 

county to run a Ronald Reagan Memorial Highway on I-25 - the rest are JFK Causeway (official name)

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:05 PM

6. Another meaningless gesture

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:26 PM

7. Except for the sane Dems and Indys almost everyone else is rabidly red in El Paso county.

We do manage to swing the state elections blue, though. And that is a lot of work, I must say.

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Response to MissMarple (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:02 PM

26. You bet it's a lot of work! The crazy ones not in the Springs are here up here.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:59 PM

8. look at them tough ol' gals!!1

yippee-ki-yay, you stupid mouthbreathers.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:53 PM

10. Used to live in The Springs

But a lot has changed 30 years. 2 bad.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:00 PM

11. Good. Then they can all be recalled and prosecuted. n/t

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:09 PM

14. fat chance of that

please see the "rabid" description in comments above. It is simply insane around here sometimes.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:40 AM

15. Agreed. But what's the statute of limitations on felony misconduct in public office?

The times they are 'a changin'.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:48 AM

16. Lived there once and they are all loaded to the teeth ...

a young 17 year old kid was going to high school one day and got into a road rage incident which eventually led to the young man being shot thru the heart with a 357 caliber hollow ... and the worst part about the story was that the ex military who shot him got off scot free ...

His name is Vern Smalley, and here is his account of what happened ...

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-230073.html

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My question is, Mr. Smalley states in his own words that the young man was unarmed ... so was his use of deadly force justified ...

Just one of the many reasons that I left Colorado ... those girls in your picture will shoot first and ask questions later ...

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Response to MindMover (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:06 AM

19. According to your link, the student hit Smalley six times in the head

while Smalley was inside his car trying to escape. Smalley never left his car.

It is only one side of the picture, but based on the information you provided, I can understand why it was ruled self defense.

Hands and feet are responsible for about 15% of murders - a person can be beaten to death.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:17 PM

20. Who initiated the confrontation ..? according to smalley it was himself pointing to the side of road

Why did the confrontation escalate .. Who baited who in the confrontation and why ..?

A person can be beaten to death outside of his car but not thru the car window .. when you can roll up your window

I did not read anywhere your comment of "while smalley was inside his car trying to escape", that statement not only doesn't make sense it is almost comical ..

You roll down your window knowing that you have deadly force in your possession and are willing to use it ... in smalleys mind it seems to me he was inviting the confrontation and therefore complicit in at the very least second degree murder of this young man ..

There is no reasonable explanation of why it was ruled self defense other than it was a wild west jury in the wild west ...

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Response to MindMover (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:23 PM

21. If you run up and physically attack someone while he is sitting in his car

everything else is irreverent. Regardless of what happened prior the student could have walked away. His life was not threatened. He initiated the violence by running up to Smalley's car and striking him in the head several times. That is not self defense. Smalley's actions were.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:38 PM

22. So a 17 year old's life is irrelevant ... well I totally disagree and more importantly ..

There would have been no violence unless the person pointing a finger (which could have been interpreted as a middle finger) to the side of the road and pulling over and leaning over and premeditatively pulling out his 357 magnum handgun and laying it in his lap was thinking, whoopee, here comes a young gun with no protection other than his fists ... I'm gonna blow me away this young punk ...

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Response to MindMover (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:42 PM

23. You can't go around hitting people in the head with the intent to cause bodily harm

it is not that fucking hard. It is a crime.

Yes he had a gun. But if the kid had stayed in his car or simply driven away no one would have gotten shot.

If he didn't have a gun, would you be ok with him being severely beaten? Would that have been justified?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:49 PM

24. He pointed to the side of the road inviting the young man to the challenge ..

Since smalley invited the confrontation and brought deadly force to the argument, I vote for guilty in the second degree ...

and yes, it would have been much better for smalley and the young man if both could have exchanged physical blows and the handgun was not there ... but unfortunately, they were in the wild west and gun mentality is as the article shows is alive and well, no matter how many of our children die by guns every day ...

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Response to MindMover (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:56 PM

25. Making bad choices sometimes comes at a high cost.

that kid made numerous choices he didn't have to make. He could have ignored Smalley and kept on driving. He could have stayed in his car. He could have kept the confrontation verbal. But his response was to run up and start hitting Smalley in the head as hard as he could.

Smalley made a bad choice himself but it was not worth his life. Classic self defense in any state in the country.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:06 PM

27. smalley made a choice to bring deadly force to a fistfight ...

like bringing a hand grenade to a 5 year old's birthday party .. heh daddy what is this pin for ...

it was much worse than a bad choice, it was premeditated use of deadly force

classic second degree murder ...

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:53 AM

17. These Sheriffs are pandering to their voters. They have to get elected.

They won't ever have to enforce any laws that infringe on anyone's 2nd amendment rights. Because laws that do that would be thrown out by the Supreme Court. That's why the Sheriffs word it that way. I can't believe people are stupid enough to fall for this bullshit.

Go to one of these counties where Sheriffs are saying this and walk into the Sherif's office with a fully automatic machine gun. See if the Sheriff enforces this federal law. Of course he will, because the Supreme Court has already decided that a federal ban on such weapons does not violate the 2nd amendment.

No one in Washington is proposing anything more than a basic renewal of the assault weapons ban which was never deemed by the court to violate 2nd amendmenment rights. So the Sheriffs get to play wingnut tough guys with a hollow threat. Pathetic, really.

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Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:49 AM

18. I live in El Paso county. This is just another in an amazingly long line of embarrassments for

Colorado. Even the rest of the state thinks El Paso County is weirdoland. We also have to deal with Focus on the Family for starters and the list goes on and on. We only have one non-Republcan holding any office from El Paso county... one state legislator and that's it.

I think El Paso county would fit well in Mississippi or Kentucky. I'm sure abortion rights will be their next law to break. Just arrest the assholes... PLEASE!

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