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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:56 AM

Fontana, Calif., schools get high-powered rifles

Source: Associated Press

Fontana, Calif., schools get high-powered rifles
By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press | January 23, 2013 | Updated: January 24, 2013 1:17am

FONTANA, Calif. (AP) The high-powered semiautomatic rifles recently shipped to school police in this Southern California city look like they belong on a battlefield rather than in a high school, but officials here say the weapons could help stop a massacre like the one that claimed the lives of 26 students and educators in Connecticut just weeks ago.

Fontana Unified School District police purchased 14 of the Colt LE6940 rifles last fall, and they were delivered the first week of December a week before the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Over the holiday break, the district's 14 school police officers received 40 hours of training on the rifles. Officers check them out for each shift from a fireproof safe in the police force's main office.

Fontana isn't the first district to try this. Other Southern California districts also have rifle programs some that have been in operation for several years. Fontana school police Chief Billy Green said he used money from fingerprinting fees to purchase the guns for $14,000 after identifying a "critical vulnerability" in his force's ability to protect students. The officers, who already wear sidearms, wouldn't be able to stop a shooter like the one in Connecticut, he said Wednesday.

"They're not walking around telling kids, 'Hurry up and get to class' with a gun around their neck," the chief said. "Parents need to know that if there was a shooter on their child's campus that was equipped with body armor or a rifle, we would be limited in our ability to stop that threat to their children."


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Reply Fontana, Calif., schools get high-powered rifles (Original post)
Judi Lynn Jan 2013 OP
Fearless Jan 2013 #1
AAO Jan 2013 #17
Fearless Jan 2013 #20
AAO Jan 2013 #21
Fearless Jan 2013 #22
Socal31 Jan 2013 #2
JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #3
Sherman A1 Jan 2013 #4
Ferretherder Jan 2013 #5
Sherman A1 Jan 2013 #7
Ferretherder Jan 2013 #8
hack89 Jan 2013 #16
Nihil Jan 2013 #36
hack89 Jan 2013 #37
barbtries Jan 2013 #6
plethoro Jan 2013 #19
Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #32
The Wizard Jan 2013 #9
zonkers Jan 2013 #10
Javaman Jan 2013 #11
Nihil Jan 2013 #12
heaven05 Jan 2013 #13
marions ghost Jan 2013 #14
sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #15
Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #33
They_Live Jan 2013 #18
Trillo Jan 2013 #23
AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #24
Yavin4 Jan 2013 #25
Auggie Jan 2013 #26
tularetom Jan 2013 #27
longship Jan 2013 #28
Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #34
longship Jan 2013 #35
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #29
bongbong Jan 2013 #30
Remmah2 Jan 2013 #38
bongbong Jan 2013 #39
alstephenson Jan 2013 #31

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:58 AM

1. Fucking idiots.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:45 AM

17. This is what they'll be walking through school with: l

 

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Response to AAO (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:28 PM

20. There are prison guards less heavily armed.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:03 PM

21. So now we get to desensitize kids to guns as young as 4 or 5.

 

There's something really wrong with the united states of Ammunition.

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Response to AAO (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:06 PM

22. Very very wrong.

Think of the message it tells children. And think of the actual problems in those schools that they're trying to fix with large guns. What happens if a student gets hold of one of these things? Or if someone actually does start shooting and the officer hits several students with the rifle?

And then there's the bigger issue... In what world is this considered an acceptable environment for bringing up children?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:00 AM

2. There were always D.A.R.E. police on my campus growing up.

I was at a Blue Ribbon elementary school, and at a high-school where there was a full time police officer.

These rifles are unnecessary only due to their unwieldiness in a close-quarters battle.

All schools need are plain-clothed officers so that they are not target #1 for a wacko.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:34 AM

3. Do the cops wander around with these things?

From the article:
"The officers split their time between 44 schools in the district and keep the rifles in a safe at their assigned school or secured in their patrol car each day before checking the weapon back in to the school police headquarters each night."

It sounds like they get the rifle from a central armory, go to their assigned school, lock the rifle in a safe or in the trunk of the car, then do their normal routine. At the end of the day, they collect the rifle from the school's safe, and tote it back to the central armory.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, since I don't see the usefulness. If someone assaults the school, they yell "Wait! I have to get the rifle out of the trunk!"

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:35 AM

4. I just don't see this as helpful

I do not see more guns as the answer.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:57 AM

5. Don't worry, the only reason you feel that way is...

...more guns is NOT the answer!

To quote Fearless, 'fucking idiots!'

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Response to Ferretherder (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:42 AM

7. Thanks

I thought it was just me...

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:56 AM

8. You're welcome...

...and, no, it ain't just you.

And I hope it's a hell of a lot more than we think!

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:33 AM

16. At least the guns are in the hands of trained law enforcement officers.

a better investment would be stronger physical security for schools.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:30 AM

36. Hmmm ...

> At least the guns are in the hands of trained law enforcement officers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014373367

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Response to Nihil (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:36 AM

37. Either we trust cops with guns or we don't

if we don't then they all need to be disarmed as a danger to society.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:29 AM

6. i'd be pulling my kid out of that school.

i won't have guns in my home, i should let my kids go to school under these circumstances?

i'm so glad my kids are grown.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:41 AM

19. Me too. I would already have made the preliminaries so I could get them

 

out quickly. I am glad my daughter is grown and decided not to have children. Few in my neighborhood are having children.

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Response to plethoro (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:52 PM

32. My daughter doesn't want children either.

Stuff like sandy Hook just reinforces her decision.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:58 AM

9. Time bombs

in search of clocks.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:05 AM

10. Experience tells me bad idea. School property gets stolen all the time.

At least it did in every school I went to and my teacher friends tauht at. It just happens.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:18 AM

11. This won't end well. nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:23 AM

12. O i A


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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:41 AM

13. pitiful

adult behavior. Newtown is an excuse for these ,,,,,?????? to have high powered weapons, the round will go through a body to who knows where, inside a school. Reactionary Americans are a laughing stock to me. What a fucking joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And I'm not laughing.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:46 AM

14. Gun nuts won that one...



So backward.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:31 AM

15. I cannot see how having these rifles could possibly help if they aren't being carried,

loaded, through the hallways of the schools. Waste of money.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:55 PM

33. But look at all he money gun sales made...so it's worth it.

not!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:10 AM

18. The schools should be required

to purchase accidental death & dismemberment insurance that covers EVERY STUDENT as well. Maybe the economic reality of that kind additional investment would slow down this ridiculous arms race.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:26 PM

23. One more ratchet closer to concentration camps. Are they there Yet?

Zero-tolerance for micro-behaviors? Check.
Tall chain-link fences? Check.
Video surveillance? Check.
Forced labor? Check, Kaching.
Fingerprints? Check, fee charged, Kaching.
RFID tags? Check.
High-powered rifles? Check.

So glad the jailers educators won't be getting my kids, but it's little consolation, for others' kids are subject to all these authoritarian fundamentalists, which is about the best honest characterization possible, and the worst, well we can look to humankind's history....

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:32 PM

24. The one thing that has me worried......

....is the potential for accidental casualties....and there could be a lot, with those kinds of guns in these schools.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:34 PM

25. And the budget for books and school lunches will be cut

but, you'll have plenty of fire power. It's great to be an American.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:40 PM

26. +1,000,000

They'll cut The Arts, too.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:42 PM

27. What could possibly go wrong?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:13 PM

28. I taught high school math in Fontana.

I do not think I have to tell you how very bad a decision this is.

The high school I taught at had over 4,000 kids, and just under 200 teachers. The campus consumed 17 acres. Class size in basic subjects regularly exceeded 40, especially in freshman algebra, a required course for all students, whether they knew how to add two numbers or not. Most could not multiply or divide. Schoolwide, the failure rate in that class was about 75%. My students did barely better than that. Upon repeating the class, the failures skyrocketed.

We rarely needed to do the requisite fire drills. Inevitably, the students would take things in their own hands and pull a fire alarm. Of course, this required an obligatory response from the Fontana fire department who I think would have preferred the scheduled drill.

It was a very tough school. And now they want assault weapons on that campus.

Good luck with that. I am not optimistic about this.

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Response to longship (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:04 PM

34. The shooter would know where the weapons are stored and assult the students at the opposite end

of the school. They will just cost money and won't save a single life...just put money in some gun nuts pocket.

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:21 PM

35. 17 acre campus! Buildings all over the place.

The logistics of responding to any attack would be a nightmare for even hardened and trained veterans, let alone the on-campus resource officers -- yes, they were armed -- who were always very professional and helpful to both staff and students alike.

The administration was more than a bit clueless about how to both handle the enormity of the task of meeting up to the educational responsibilities and simultaneously, keeping things from spiraling out of control. The school board was out of their element entirely. I would speak out at board meetings regularly, always respectfully, but nevertheless with some passion. Some of it did some good, others, not so much. I did help make an important and large policy change concerning when students would repeat a class they were failing. This, over the objections of my department head (who was useless and never listened to her teachers). She later became an assistant principal at another high school where she could inflict her bad policies on a whole school faculty.

So, I am not surprised that Fontana would do this.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:20 PM

29. This isn't going to end well. Students will find a way to get those guns.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:23 PM

30. Congratulations, Delicate Flowers

 

Your dream of having America turn into a "2nd Amendment Misinterpretation Police State" is one step closer to fruition.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:06 AM

38. The police state is the one where the citizens are not allowed to own the firearms.

 

The Second Amendment was written with the intent to prevent police states.

The gun grabber agenda only enables the police state.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:00 PM

39. LOL

 

> The Second Amendment was written with the intent to prevent police states.

Long, long debunked NRA Talking Point.

Aren't you Delicate Flowers sick of being tools for the NRA?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:50 PM

31. Fontucky.

That's what Fontana is "fondly" referred to by many Californians... Sorry, Kentucky!

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