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Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:05 PM

Filibuster Changes Will Wait on Sandy Aid, Reid Says

Source: Roll Call

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid signaled Tuesday that he would try to push ahead with a supplemental spending package to aid Superstorm Sandy victims even as debate continues on revisions to the Senate’s filibuster rules.

The $50.5 billion supplemental for relief from last fall’s storm is the first of several holdover items from the 112th Congress up for consideration that the Nevada Democrat cited on the floor Tuesday.

“The Senate will help our fellow Americans continue to recover from Hurricane Sandy before another similar disaster strikes,” Reid said.

“Once we complete that vital legislation, the Senate will take action to make this institution that we all love — the United States Senate — work more effectively. We’ll consider changes to the Senate rules,” Reid said.


Read more: http://www.rollcall.com/news/filibuster_changes_will_wait_on_sandy_aid_reid_says-220985-1.html?pos=htmbtxt



..suggesting he's still trying to line up the numbers.

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Reply Filibuster Changes Will Wait on Sandy Aid, Reid Says (Original post)
brooklynite Jan 2013 OP
PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #1
Kablooie Jan 2013 #2
WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #4
grantcart Jan 2013 #6
happyslug Jan 2013 #7
grantcart Jan 2013 #8
DallasNE Jan 2013 #11
riqster Jan 2013 #3
JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #9
yurbud Jan 2013 #5
DallasNE Jan 2013 #10
Tx4obama Jan 2013 #12

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:11 PM

1. He seems to really want a bipartisan deal with McConnell. n/t

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:14 PM

2. Pretty late to be delaying the vote.

My guess is that there won't be a vote.

We will hear a fffft, the Rs win again and get to kill everything for 2 years without ever taking responsibility.

Sorry.
It's just hard to expect any real change based on history.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:21 PM

4. I think Sandy aid takes priority.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 02:48 PM

6. What is the deadline? When do they have to vote in new rules?

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Response to grantcart (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:15 PM

7. The First day of the First Session of the Senate

Now, unlike the House which ends and a new one starts on January 3rd of each year.

See Section 2, of the the 20th Amendment to the US Constitution:
Section 2.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html

SUSPENSION AND AMENDMENT OF THE RULES

1. No motion to suspend, modify, or amend any rule, or any part thereof, shall be in order, except on one day's notice in writing, specifying precisely the rule or part proposed to be suspended, modified, or amended, and the purpose thereof. Any rule may be suspended without notice by the unanimous consent of the Senate, except as otherwise provided by the rules.

2. The rules of the Senate shall continue from one Congress to the next Congress unless they are changed as provided in these rules.

http://www.rules.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=RuleV

Complete rules of the US Senate:
http://www.rules.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=RulesOfSenateHome

What the talk is about is the adoption of the Rules of the Senate. At the start of each Congress, each House re-adopts its rules from the previous session. What is being discussed is that the Senate NOT adopt the previous rules, instead adopt new rules that forbid the Filibuster. An argument can be made that Reid is already to late, the US Senate is operating under its old rules and under those rules Reid need 60 votes to change those rules.

On the other hand, the only activity done on January 4th, 2013 were either done without objection OR continued to January 22nd, 2013. Thus an argument can be made that the legislative day is NOT done and that these were mere housekeeping tasks and thus the main house keeping tasks of adopting the Rules have NOT yet been done. Thus the rules have to be adopted sometime this week.

Senate activity on 1-4-2013: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/B?r113:@FIELD(FLD003+s)+@FIELD(DDATE+
20130104)



http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/B?r113:@FIELD(FLD003+s)+@FIELD(DDATE+20130104)http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/B?r113:@FIELD(FLD003+s)+@FIELD(DDATE+
20130104)

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Response to happyslug (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:29 PM

8. That's what I thought.


So by taking up the relief bill first we are going to move from a simple majority to a 60 vote change.


Guessing that they do have a bipartisan solution or none at all.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:10 PM

11. I Would Agree With This

Up until the first bill is brought to a vote the rules can be modified. Once the Sandy aid bill is brought to a vote the existing rules are locked in place for another 2 years. That means the vote on filibuster reform must occur prior to the vote on Sandy aid. But that would permit work on the Sandy aid bill all of the way up to bringing it to the floor for a vote. That could be done within minutes after the filibuster vote. Reid needs to bring the filibuster rule change up for a vote even if it is defeated because we deserve to know who killed the change. Note: it means that at least 5 Democrats are opposed to changing the filibuster rule.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:16 PM

3. And if he did otherwise

...he'd catch Hell for not prioritizing Sandy funding.

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Response to riqster (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:35 PM

9. If he had the votes ...

... he could have changed the filibuster rules, and gotten to Sandy funding after lunch. No big delay.

He must not have had the votes.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 02:46 PM

5. name the holdouts publicly, so we can hold their feet to the fire.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:55 PM

10. Reid Just Caved

Rules of the Senate specify that this must be the first order of business of the new Senate. If he takes up the Sandy aid bill first the window closes on changing the filibuster rule. That is not to say that they can't work on both at the same time but that the actual vote must be on filibuster first and then Sandy aid. Reid knows this so his statement here is foolish. Bring it to a vote Sen. Reid because we need to know who the enemies are that are standing in the way of filibuster reform.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:50 PM

12. UPDATE - REID: FILIBUSTER REFORM IN 36 HOURS



UPDATE: 3:11 p.m. -- The Senate will reform the filibuster within the next day and a half -- whether Republicans go along or not, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Tuesday afternoon.

"I hope that within the next 24 to 36 hours we can get something we agree on. If not, we're going to move forward on what I think needs to be done," Reid told reporters. "The caucus will support me on that," he added.

-snip-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/filibuster-reform-2013_n_2526392.html

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