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Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:40 PM

NPR Will Stop Referring To Obama As ‘Mr.’ On Second Reference To Avoid Appearance Of ‘Favoritism’

Source: www.mediaite.com

One week after MSNBC’s hosts of The Cycle pondered if it was disrespectful for news organizations to refer to President Barack Obama as simply “Obama” after the first reference, National Public Radio’s managing editor has determined that the organization will jettison their policy of calling presidents “Mr.” on the second reference in order to avoid the appearance of “favoritism.” NPR announced Friday that they intend to refer to him as simply “Obama” on the second reference, as many other media outlets’ style guidelines recommend.


Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/online/npr-will-stop-referring-to-obama-as-mr-on-second-reference-to-avoid-appearance-of-favoritism/



I have been accused of not using "Hard news sources worthy of DU", in my posts by one of the moderators. So here is the NPR Onsbudsman's link for further clarification. http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2013/01/17/169645406/bringing-the-president-down-a-notch-npr-ends-calling-him-mr?ft=1&f=17370252

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Reply NPR Will Stop Referring To Obama As ‘Mr.’ On Second Reference To Avoid Appearance Of ‘Favoritism’ (Original post)
RetroGamer1971 Jan 2013 OP
Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #1
Richardo Jan 2013 #2
malibea Jan 2013 #46
Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #3
RetroGamer1971 Jan 2013 #4
JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #8
Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #11
JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #12
RetroGamer1971 Jan 2013 #13
Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #17
pasto76 Jan 2013 #22
alp227 Jan 2013 #41
question everything Jan 2013 #42
Liberalagogo Jan 2013 #5
LineLineReply .
ReRe Jan 2013 #27
dlwickham Jan 2013 #49
Enrique Jan 2013 #6
Kurovski Jan 2013 #16
bluestateguy Jan 2013 #7
Phlem Jan 2013 #9
pnwmom Jan 2013 #10
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #15
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #14
valerief Jan 2013 #18
pnwmom Jan 2013 #19
valerief Jan 2013 #20
sofa king Jan 2013 #45
malibea Jan 2013 #53
SemperEadem Jan 2013 #21
Wolf Frankula Jan 2013 #24
CBHagman Jan 2013 #29
malibea Jan 2013 #47
Dont call me Shirley Jan 2013 #23
graegoyle Jan 2013 #25
and-justice-for-all Jan 2013 #26
MBS Jan 2013 #31
Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #35
malibea Jan 2013 #48
ReRe Jan 2013 #28
Turborama Jan 2013 #30
MBS Jan 2013 #32
Faryn Balyncd Jan 2013 #33
KansDem Jan 2013 #34
Kolesar Jan 2013 #39
Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #36
n2doc Jan 2013 #37
Kolesar Jan 2013 #38
Politicub Jan 2013 #40
yurbud Jan 2013 #43
BanTheGOP Jan 2013 #44
JoeyT Jan 2013 #50
defacto7 Jan 2013 #51
jonthebru Jan 2013 #52

Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:42 PM

1. Wow...weaksauce

Then to be consistent, NPR can't call ANY world leaders Mr./Miss/whatever

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:43 PM

2. Why not refer to all public figures as 'Mr' or 'Ms' or 'Dr' every time?

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Response to Richardo (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:12 PM

46. I agree with you.

That is a good question and seems simple enough- in addition to good manners. I refer to President Obama as "President Obama" out of respect. But if some people can't quite have enough commonsense, respect- and courage- to call the President "president" then "Mr." will have to suffice. But by no means, should the President be referred to only by his FIRST name- it is both disgusting and disrespectful!:

No one-in the media- referred to George W. Bush as "george" nor Ronald Reagan as "ronald". I wonder why?

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:44 PM

3. How about "President Obama" initially and "the President" on following references?

Ridiculous.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:57 PM

8. Unclear post. Do you mean Gov Palin is one of your favorites when she's drunk?

or when YOU are drunk?

Or do you turn her speeches into drinking games? That always works for me.




Edit to add: or do you mean Drunken Irishman is one of your favorite commentators? If so, disregards everything I said earlier.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:02 PM

11. Dammit. The post was deleted. Should I be flattered?

POST AGAIN, RETROGAMER!

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:23 PM

12. I hope it wasn't something I said ...

... but sometimes I can't resist replying to posts about Sarah P.

She's strangely attractive, in a "gape at a train wreck" sort of way.

Maybe I'll see if there's an unfrozen beer in the garage, and hoist one to my favorite ex-governor.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:25 PM

13. He is one of my faves.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:48 PM

17. Hey, thanks! :)

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:55 PM

22. like it not, that is the appropriate way to refer toa ny president

makes me vomit in my mouth everytime I have to say 'president bush' did this or that.

weird thing in this culture, titles dont mean anything now. Just another way to make your average dumbshit think that the president 'aint no better than me'.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:05 PM

41. The NY Times has a similar "Mr." policy I think. Don't know NPR's intent.n/t

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:43 PM

42. If the Wall St. Journal does, why can't NPR?

Even in its most scathing editorials, it starts with President Obama and then moves to Mr. Obama. Never Obama. (Of course, this is the style of the WSJ)

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:54 PM

5. And in breaking news

NPR has decided to refer to Queen Elizabeth as "that ol' English beeyatch."

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Response to Liberalagogo (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:38 AM

27. .

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Response to Liberalagogo (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:55 PM

49. that would be the queen's ex daughter in law

Sarah Ferguson

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:55 PM

6. I want to hear what The Magistrate thinks of this

also, CaliforniaPeggy.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:46 PM

16. "My Dear Obama"?

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:55 PM

7. NPR made an unforgiveable mistake when they declared Gabby Giffords dead

So they are not a news agency to me.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:01 PM

9. And at the other end of the spectrum

Fox news steps up it's skewering of the President.

-p

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:02 PM

10. Interesting that this happens during the office of our first African American President.

The need to avoid favoritism apparently wasn't so obvious when the President was white.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:40 PM

15. GMTA, lol

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:40 PM

14. Very telling that they decided to do this with a black president. Just watch -

with the next president, who will almost certainly not be black, they will return to the original policy.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:49 PM

18. When did Presidents stopped being called President????? nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:05 PM

19. When the first African American was elected?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:08 PM

20. Yeah, sorry to say, I think you're right.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:47 PM

45. No, it goes back way more than that.

The conservative media, particularly radio host G. Gordon Liddy, spent hours a day railing about "Clinton," being quite deliberate about dropping any honorific for that President. They tried very, very hard to make the President's last name a pejorative.

But it goes way, way farther back than that. To an early American press, the War of 1812 was Mister Madison's War. Back then, calling the President "Mister" was high insult.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:54 PM

53. Good Answer!

Good Answer!

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Response to valerief (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:08 PM

21. exactly... what's wrong with "the President"...

there's only one at a time...

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Response to valerief (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:48 PM

24. IIRC it was during the Carter Administration

The media hogs (I can say that, I was one in those days) started calling him just 'Carter'. Then when Bonzo's co-star was elected, they always called him 'President Reagan' until Iran-Contra broke. Then he was just 'Reagan'.

Wolf

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Response to valerief (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:01 AM

29. Various news outlets have referred to presidents as "Mr." long before this.

Back in the '80s I remember someone in my family complaining that it was disrespectful for reporters to refer to Ronald Reagan as "Mr. Reagan" rather than "President Reagan."

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Response to valerief (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:18 PM

47. I want to know also!

Good question? Very, very, good question valerief!

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:31 PM

23. One of the national news, either CBS or ABC, refers to President Obama as Mr.Obama. It gets my goat.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:06 PM

25. Appearance of stupidity to follow.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:11 PM

26. Its President Obama..PERIOD.

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Response to and-justice-for-all (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 06:25 AM

31. +1000 n/t

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Response to MBS (Reply #31)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 03:27 PM

35. +1000 The media should always refer to him as President Obama or Mr. President. The public

has a right to address him the way they want. I never once called Bush Mr. or President.
However all media and politicians should be respectful no matter how they feel personally. It's just being polite and having manors and showing respect to the POTUS.

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Response to and-justice-for-all (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:20 PM

48. And might I add: and for the last time!

You're absolutely correct! President Obama, period. For the last time! Case closed.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:42 AM

28. NPR?

...I cut them off a long time ago.. They have no credibility anymore. Just saying...

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:07 AM

30. You are misrepresnting what one of the hosts said to you and you should edit the OP accordingly

Here's what they actually said:



OKNancy
Re: Petition to unlock a thread: Another School ...

I don't understand your reasoning. Yours is an obvious duplicate topic. It was posted after the one I linked in your thread.
Perhaps just post yours on to the older thread. That is what you are supposed to do with updates.

Does this help you understand the lock? I'm not sure I've answered your objections correctly.

As long as I have you.... you are new and I appreciate you posting, but watch out for your sources.
Try to use mainstream sources if at all possible. Gawker, mediate, jezebel, no matter how good are not the best ones if you can find some other hard news organization.

Here is the SOP again:
Statement of Purpose

Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces. No duplicates. News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours. Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240207409#post5


BTW things are a LOT more relaxed here than they were in DU2's LBN. No blogs whatsoever were allowed, now we see Salon/Slate/etc being used all the time.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 06:29 AM

32. NPR has become weak-kneed lately

Disappointing. I know that they're under HUGE pressure from the right-wing crazies, and to some extent I sympathize with their attempts to deal with that pressure, but this is nuts. It's not good journalism, it's not even basic good manners, and it's just plain stupid.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:03 AM

33. Bush appointees turned NPR into corporate shills. Their morning broadcasts nauseate me.



It is far more damaging to have right wing talking points coming from the frauds at NPR who relish their ancient reputation of being "liberal", than from the buffoons on hate radio who only speak to their shrinking choir.


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Response to Faryn Balyncd (Reply #33)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:11 PM

34. "Their morning broadcasts nauseate me."

I tuned out NPR when Cokie Roberts reported on the Bush "charm offensive" during the 2000 campaign (if he's elected, she said, Bush will use his "charm" to get things done in DC... )

Occasionally, however, I'll hear a few minutes of NPR's morning shows (wife still listens to it) and it strikes me the NPR hosts all over-enunciate. As if they feel a need TO...MAKE...EVE-RY-THING...CLEAR. I mean, I feel like I'm in kindergarten!

Is it just me or do you have the same feeling?

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Response to KansDem (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:41 AM

39. Cleveland public radio, "Ideastream", is excellent

I hate the way NPR reports the position of RW American Jews and hints that it represents most of American Jews. I am a skeptic, btw.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 03:31 PM

36. Well the Right Wingers sound and act like they are kindergarteners.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 03:36 PM

37. Sooo..the media can call Newt "Speaker"...and call Rmoney "Governor"

but can't call President Obama, a SITTING president, by his earned title?

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Response to n2doc (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:37 AM

38. America adopted "President" to substitute for a British "Your majesty"

...whatever that linguistic construction is called.

Yes, I hate hearing them call Gingerich "Speaker".

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:30 AM

40. Uhm. He is the president, which means they're not showing favoritism by saying Mr.

But I prefer the president for subsequent references.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:27 PM

43. I intensely dislike honorifics of any kind, but I want to know what they did for past presidents

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:32 PM

44. Simple policy

 

For any Democratic, Green, or progressive politician, use the honorific.

For any GOP or libertarian, call him "That stupid fuckwad."

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:10 AM

50. NPR has apparently been spending every

waking moment trying to find ways to make themselves suck more. Onward and upward NPR, to suck like you've never sucked before. We believe in you!

I quit listening to them quite a bit back. If I wanted to listen to right wing guests whine all day without being called on their garbage I'd watch Fox.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:54 AM

51. NPR has been completely off my list

for a long time. Frank James wrote for NPR throughout the campaign and it was blatantly clear he was a GOP shill. He is the worst of the worst. What does NPR do after the campaign? They make him the head of the political editorial staff.

NPR lost it completely with deregulation.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:57 AM

52. I personally would follow these guidelines:

The New York Times Manual of Style and Usage: The Official Style Guide Used by the Writers and Editors of the World's Most Authoritative Newspaper is a style guide created in 1950 by editors at the newspaper and revised in 1974, 1999, and 2002 by Allan M. Siegal and William G. Connolly. Although it was written for New York Times journalists, it was also published for use by others. Much of the information is specific to neither The Times nor New York.

The Times's book requires that the surnames of subjects (sports-related columns being the most notable exceptions) be prefixed with a title (such as Dr., Mr., Ms., or Mrs.).

It doesn't say anything about "second reference."
And yes Cokie Roberts is junk and NPR News has generally gone down hill...

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