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Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:31 PM

Utah business owner fires two who backed Obama

Source: Sltrib.com

First, the owner of a smoothie bar in Vernal is charging liberals more for a cup of juice. Now, a Cedar City business owner who let two workers go because of Obamacare costs said he picked the pair in large part because of their support for President Obama. Terry Lee, owner of Terry Lee Forensics, showed his support for the Vernal smoothie barís practice of trying to recoup the costs it says are incurred because of liberal policies by posting in the comments section of a story about it in Thursdayís Salt Lake Tribune.

"Love it. We had to let two employees go to cover new Obongocare (sic) costs and increased taxes," Lee wrote. "Found two Obongo supporters and gave them the news yesterday. They wanted the idiot in the Whitehouse (sic), they reap the benefits."

Contacted by The Tribune Thursday, Lee said he picked the two employees in large part on the basis of their politics. "They were Obama supporters. We just knew they were," Lee said. "I implied that sort of tongue and cheek (in the comments section) but there were other issues, too. They were not top performers."

"Is your political affiliation protected?" he added, explaining that he thought what he did was not illegal. "I donít believe it is, but I donít know."

Read more: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/55650985-79/lee-utah-employees-costs.html.csp

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Reply Utah business owner fires two who backed Obama (Original post)
meegbear Jan 2013 OP
Garion_55 Jan 2013 #1
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #5
arely staircase Jan 2013 #53
malibea Jan 2013 #61
patrice Jan 2013 #2
TxDemChem Jan 2013 #34
savebigbird Jan 2013 #51
southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #57
Scuba Jan 2013 #3
secondvariety Jan 2013 #4
R Merm Jan 2013 #14
Skittles Jan 2013 #6
Scootaloo Jan 2013 #33
malibea Jan 2013 #62
Liberalagogo Jan 2013 #7
Great Caesars Ghost Jan 2013 #54
Liberalagogo Jan 2013 #63
Great Caesars Ghost Jan 2013 #66
Liberalagogo Jan 2013 #67
U4ikLefty Jan 2013 #8
defacto7 Jan 2013 #16
Tutonic Jan 2013 #25
KansDem Jan 2013 #36
TxDemChem Jan 2013 #35
melm00se Jan 2013 #43
1983law Jan 2013 #45
Selatius Jan 2013 #70
ck4829 Jan 2013 #9
lobodons Jan 2013 #10
former9thward Jan 2013 #12
Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #20
Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #23
Orangepeel Jan 2013 #41
Great Caesars Ghost Jan 2013 #56
savalez Jan 2013 #15
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #19
Great Caesars Ghost Jan 2013 #58
savalez Jan 2013 #64
Great Caesars Ghost Jan 2013 #65
savalez Jan 2013 #71
LanternWaste Jan 2013 #73
HawkeyeLibkid Jan 2013 #11
DLine Jan 2013 #30
Botany Jan 2013 #13
DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #42
Botany Jan 2013 #47
DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #48
Botany Jan 2013 #49
JoeyT Jan 2013 #69
Indyfan53 Jan 2013 #17
yardwork Jan 2013 #18
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intheflow Jan 2013 #28
LeftyMom Jan 2013 #37
Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #21
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Socal31 Jan 2013 #24
Historic NY Jan 2013 #29
UtahLib Jan 2013 #31
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olddad56 Jan 2013 #38
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #39
Great Caesars Ghost Jan 2013 #60
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socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #44
cali Jan 2013 #46
jberryhill Jan 2013 #55
Politicub Jan 2013 #50
liberalmuse Jan 2013 #52
Great Caesars Ghost Jan 2013 #59
and-justice-for-all Jan 2013 #68
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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:37 PM

1. is 'obongo' a misprint?

rare to see someone expose their racism.

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Response to Garion_55 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:43 PM

5. No, it's not a misprint. It's a racist insult.

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Response to Garion_55 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:32 PM

53. twice? i doubt it.

he does it twice.

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Response to Garion_55 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 09:17 PM

61. Not rare at all.

This is par for the course for these assholes! There is nothing else these dirt bag bastards can do about the President being re-elected so they take it out on someone else-who can't do anything about it! What cowards and low-life these cretans are; I won't call them human beings!

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:38 PM

2. "cause" can be anything. American workers are not protected from legalized discrimination.

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Response to patrice (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:16 AM

34. Is Utah a right to work state?

Anyone know?

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Response to TxDemChem (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:42 PM

57. If its a privately owned business they have a right to fire anyone for the politics. Somehow I

 

think if your a democrat you lost that freedom of speech at work. Pretty sad. How sad they are afraid of free thought.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:39 PM

3. Paging Gloria Allred.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:42 PM

4. "Obongocare".

What a classy dirtbag. I think this asshole just made it up.

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Response to secondvariety (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:54 PM

14. No he didn't google it.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:47 PM

6. this man is a racist asshole

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who is probably too stupid to realize he just outed his racism

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Response to Skittles (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:05 AM

33. But it's Utah

Even the dirt is white in Utah.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 09:23 PM

62. Stupid isn't the word!

This idiot is beyond stupid; the word for him hasn't been invented yet! Let's just say shun him because he is definitely a fool! I think he feels bad, sad and desperately lost: GOOD!

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:50 PM

7. This just infuriates me

What if a left-leaning employer had done this during the Bush years or unimaginably, a Romney Presidency, to his right-wing employees? What would have been the reaction of the public and media?

This person's business should sued into the ground and the earth salted.

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Response to Liberalagogo (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:35 PM

54. Perfectly legal

 

political affiliation and ideology are not protected classes

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Reply #54)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:49 PM

63. Sweetheart

Did I say they were? Why not try responding to what I actually said, instead of something completely useless.

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Response to Liberalagogo (Reply #63)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:45 PM

66. Then why say this?????

 

"This person's business should sued into the ground and the earth salted."

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Reply #66)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:34 PM

67. Because it's true

If that gets your precious little nose out of joint, please whine elsewhere.

Welcome to ignore.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:50 PM

8. Utah is a "right to work" state.

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Response to U4ikLefty (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:11 PM

16. You mean "right to fire" state.

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Response to U4ikLefty (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:22 PM

25. he can replace the two with a couple of his sister wives.

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Response to Tutonic (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:23 AM

36. But aren't there laws prohibiting child labor?

Probably not...

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Response to U4ikLefty (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:17 AM

35. Just realized I scrolled too fast and missed this

On the way down

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Response to U4ikLefty (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:33 PM

45. "Right to Work"

 

Is a union-related matter and has little if nothing to do with the basis for terminating an employee.

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Response to U4ikLefty (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:40 AM

70. Right-to-work is a different issue. All states operate on an "at will" basis except contract workers

"At will" applies to any situation where a worker who is working for an employer isn't in a union contract or isn't some contract worker.

All states in the Union operate on an "at will" basis to some degree. Differences in detail depend upon state codes.

"Right to work" laws are geared specifically to deal with labor unions. They're designed to create a freeloader problem on labor unions and thus to break them once freeloaders in a union shop outnumber union members.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:52 PM

9. They're probably not missing out

He gets caught committing some white collar crime or some gross error with the forensic work if that is what they actually do, I'll bet he'll try to pass the buck on down.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:03 PM

10. Somewhere in the resulting lawsuit

Somewhere in the resulting lawsuit filed by fired workers, I'd like to see listed the specifics of said losses which necessitated the firings.

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Response to lobodons (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:37 PM

12. There is no legal basis for a lawsuit.

If you are not protected by a contracted you are an 'at will' employee and can be fired for any reason not legally protected. Your politics are not legally protected for employment.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:01 PM

20. Texas

is a right to work state. You can be fired without cause, but his unemployment insurance will go up.
Their claims cannot be denied either.

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Response to Why Syzygy (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:09 PM

23. Good he must like paying for unemployment, guess this is better.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:44 AM

41. might depend on how he "just knew" they supported Obama

I wonder how he "just knew" they supported Obama. Did they say so? Or do they look like someone who would support Obama?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:40 PM

56. and services as well

 

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Response to lobodons (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:04 PM

15. THis is from the article


But he readily acknowledged that the part-timers' political views weighed heavily in the decision. "Is your political affiliation protected?" he asked the Tribune rhetorically. "I don't believe it is, but I don't know."

Sadly, it isn't: According to AOL Jobs, only five states currently protect employees from being fired on the basis of their political beliefs ó California, New York, Connecticut, Colorado and Mississippi.

However, the employees could potentially file a civil lawsuit against Lee for wrongful termination.

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Response to savalez (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:59 PM

19. Mississippi?????

Amazing...
as I sit here in "right to work" Alabama.

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Response to savalez (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:45 PM

58. Thats why I left Cali for Oregon

 

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Reply #58)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:15 PM

64. To each his own.

CA's my home. Amazing state.

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Response to savalez (Reply #64)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:43 PM

65. Don't get me wrong, CA is an awesome state.

 

I just wanna run my business the way I want.

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Reply #65)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:59 PM

71. You just wanna fire people because of how they vote?

I'm not sure what biz you are in but plenty of businesses are doing just fine here.

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Reply #65)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:54 PM

73. Precisely how does an employee's voting record interfere with how you run your business?

Precisely how does an employee's voting record interfere with how you run your business?

Precisely how does a state law protecting employees from being fired for a political affiliation interfere with you running a business?

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Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:57 PM

30. I know exactly what you mean..

The more absurd their claims, the more ignorant they are of politics. There are people I would actually call "friends" who thought as recently as the election that Obama was a muslim and born in kenya. It blows their mind. They usually stop arguing, but who knows if they actually believe me. Im just brainwashed by the "liberal media".

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:40 PM

13. What a dumb ass because by his talking he is now open to a ...

... real nice lawsuit. This little stunt will cost him $50,000 at
a minimum in bad p.r., legal fees, and God knows what else.

The ACLU will take this case and even if it (the firings) are upheld
in a local court they will appeal on up the food chain.

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Response to Botany (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:08 PM

42. They can sue, but they will not win. What do you think the cause of action would be? nt

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Response to DeschutesRiver (Reply #42)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 06:02 PM

47. a violation of their employees' civil rights or privacy .....

.... or maybe a just show cause suit. Depends on what court it winds up
in ...... a smart lawyer for the company might tell his client to just
settle up pdq because of court and legal fees along w/ the company will
get $$$$$$$ worth of bad p.r. too.

But then again i might be wrong on everything.

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Response to Botany (Reply #47)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 06:28 PM

48. I didn't see any support in the facts so far for violations of civil rights or privacy - can you

point me to that information? I am on dialup, so I may have missed those facts.

Unless you've seen something I missed, the facts at present don't support anything other than a dismissal of such a lawsuit. In which case, if I were that company's attorney, I wouldn't have any basis for suggesting a settlement. And from what I'm seeing recently in that state, I don't think this will get them much local bad p.r. - there seem to be elements there that are okay with this kind of thinking.

I'm hoping not a majority, as I plan to visit the national parks in Utah this year, and am hoping that my mouth won't get me into any trouble if I run into this kind of thinking.

I don't like it either, but just because something ticks me off doesn't mean there is a legal remedy. Of course, it is still early in the game, and more facts may still come to light that would give rise to an actual reason why the fired employees could prevail in a lawsuit. I would hope so, because I'd like to see this employer in deep trouble. But just because I wish it so, doesn't make it so.

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Response to DeschutesRiver (Reply #48)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 06:59 PM

49. moot point

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=374581

but even it wasn't you might be 100% right because Utah is a "right to work state."

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Response to DeschutesRiver (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:18 AM

69. Well.....

"They were Obama supporters. We just knew they were," Lee said.


He pretty much just admitted he fired someone because they either weren't white, they were a woman, or they were LGBT.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:37 PM

17. Can they sue?

If not, they should just leave the fascist state. Colorado is right next door!

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:53 PM

18. If this story is true at all, I suspect that the workers he fired are African American.

"They were Obama supporters. We just knew they were," Lee said.

How did he "just know they were" Obama supporters? I suspect it's because they are black. The business owner already revealed his racism with the word he used instead of Obamacare.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:32 PM

26. I can't imagine him hiring

an African American in the first place.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:33 PM

27. +1 same thought here

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Response to yardwork (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:35 PM

28. It would be interesting to know the ex-employees' race(s).

I hadn't thought of that, it being Utah and all, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they weren't people of color and/or possibly women.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:34 AM

37. It's Utah. They almost certainly weren't black. They were probably *gasp* NOT GOOD MORMONS.

Utah.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:09 PM

21. These people

eat Frosted Hater Flakes, Nut'n Honest and Stupid Krispies for breakfast.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:55 PM

22. Their bullshit is out of control nt

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:35 PM

24. Does anybody else read these loonies quotes in the voice of some WV moonshiner?

What year do they think this is?

Although there is more than one town in rural Utah that you want to make sure you never drive through, and if you have to, make sure you have enough gas that you don't have to stop. A quick google on "The Lost Boys" will show you just how back wards they can be, to the point where local law enforcement is involved.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:50 PM

29. Two contract employees..

which means he wasn't paying anything extra.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:24 AM

31. I read many of the comments on the article.

Thankfully, Terry Lee is being delivered a pretty good smack down. His business works with local law enforcement and attorneys to retrieve digital data from encrypted computer hard drives. One comment I found interesting is that if the agencies he works with are, directly or indirecty, receiving federal dollars, they may be prohibited from contracting with his business. Can't think of a better outcome for such a blatant and disgusting racist. Guess he won't be so proud of himself then.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:30 AM

32. Karma, in....

....3-2-1,,,,,, Karma Kaboom!

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:56 AM

38. if this can happen in Utah, next it will happen in the United States.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 05:38 AM

39. Will people learn from this event that

 

Last edited Sat Jan 19, 2013, 06:13 AM - Edit history (1)

If Workers are not in Unions they are employed at the mercy of their employer

All Republicans and their supporters are vile and disgusting

This is soon going to spread all across the United States mainly in Red States and the GOP base will cheer

Will people finally figure out that the real enemy of America and freedom is the Republican party, their supporters and backers and start acting and treating them accordingly? No this is not a call for physical violence but for people to stop dealing with ALL Pubs on all levels mainly economically, they need to be punished for lack of a better for word by taking away what they worship most, money. Stop doing ALL business with red states, stop doing business with Pubs or those sympathetic to them, cut off ALL relationships with them at all levels of your life including those in your family, treat them like the scum they ALL truly are without exception.



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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #39)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 08:51 PM

60. +1000000000000000032

 

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:33 AM

40. I'm not so sure that what he did is legal.

Maybe there's no direct protection for political leanings (which, alone, shocks me), but aren't things protected which coincide or correlate with protected classes? I mean height may not be directly protected but you couldn't use it as a hiring/firing/promoting factor when it favors men of women and probably the non-disabled over some disabled people. Right? Political leanings are very correlated to race and, to a lesser extent, gender. I'm not a lawyer but I'd like to hear some DU lawyers weigh in on this.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:31 PM

44. I am more surprised by folks who think that this is illegal or..........

somehow actionable in court. THIS IS A PROTECTED BEHAVIOR IN THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM! Anybody can sue anybody for anything, but they won't win.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 04:07 PM

46. this looks to be a faux story, for what reason I can't imagine

there is no company by that name listed with the Utah Tax dept. evidently and the Facebook page says the business was established in January 2013.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terry-Lee-Forensics/138194809586369

looks like the writer was punked.

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Response to cali (Reply #46)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:40 PM

55. Meaningless

Why do you assume it was an incorporated entity, instead of a sole proprietorship?

The absence of a listing of such a "company" is insufficient evidence on which to draw a conclusion.

But, here's a really weird thing... it seems a car dealer's site in Indiana had, at one point, pages designed to give the impression that such a business exists:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:UGQNMFhbxmQJ:terrylee.com/recovery.php+&cd=46&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Yep... fake story:

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?s=abfd8b8f9814c26525a0a054c6ef510d&p=1705082#post1705082

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:17 PM

50. There's a full own mormon revolt

First the sheriff talking about nullification and now this.

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:29 PM

52. This piece of shit.

I hope he loses everything.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #52)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:51 PM

59. Here is the honest truth

 

In a "what goes around, comes around" dept., there are plenty of liberal progressives that do the very same thing. This is a form of seggregation. I admit, I do it too. As I stated in another post, when a person fills out forms for repair consideration, listing political affiliation is manditory. Keep em Seperated!

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:37 PM

68. I think someone is getting sued in the very bear futur..nt

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Response to meegbear (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:07 PM

72. It may not be illegal for him to fire them, but it's also not illegal to drive his business into the

 

ground.

Same asshole who charged liberals more for their f***ng smoothies.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/55642295-79/burnett-liberals-smoothie-vernal.html.csp


He has a facebook page too.

http://www.ilovedrilling.com/

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