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Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:51 PM

TSA ends contract with Rapiscan, maker of full-body scanner

Source: Los Angeles Times

The Transportation Security Administration has ended a contract with the Hawthorne-based manufacturer of a controversial full-body scanner used to screen passengers.

Rapiscan, a unit of OSI Systems Inc., manufactured about half of the full-body scanners used by the TSA to screen passengers for hidden weapons at airports across the country.

But TSA officials said the agency has canceled its contract with the company because it had failed to deliver software to protect the privacy of passengers.

The Rapiscan scanner uses low-level X-rays to create what looks like a naked image of screened passengers to target weapons hidden under the clothes.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-fullbody-scanner-contract-20130117,0,3525187.story

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Reply TSA ends contract with Rapiscan, maker of full-body scanner (Original post)
jsr Jan 2013 OP
BainsBane Jan 2013 #1
pnwmom Jan 2013 #3
LisaL Jan 2013 #9
MADem Jan 2013 #10
PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #15
MADem Jan 2013 #17
dorkulon Jan 2013 #35
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #18
flamingdem Jan 2013 #24
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #43
BainsBane Jan 2013 #32
alp227 Jan 2013 #8
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #26
Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #13
dorkulon Jan 2013 #33
Odin2005 Jan 2013 #45
AllyCat Jan 2013 #2
pnwmom Jan 2013 #4
AllyCat Jan 2013 #6
pnwmom Jan 2013 #20
jberryhill Jan 2013 #30
pnwmom Jan 2013 #38
jberryhill Jan 2013 #47
pnwmom Jan 2013 #52
jberryhill Jan 2013 #54
AllyCat Jan 2013 #51
pnwmom Jan 2013 #53
pnwmom Jan 2013 #5
PSPS Jan 2013 #7
FailureToCommunicate Jan 2013 #11
flamingdem Jan 2013 #23
RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #39
flamingdem Jan 2013 #55
ReRe Jan 2013 #12
pnwmom Jan 2013 #21
ReRe Jan 2013 #25
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #29
ReRe Jan 2013 #31
FailureToCommunicate Jan 2013 #42
pnwmom Jan 2013 #34
ReRe Jan 2013 #37
MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #14
LisaL Jan 2013 #16
Liberalagogo Jan 2013 #19
flamingdem Jan 2013 #22
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #27
alittlelark Jan 2013 #28
KeepItReal Jan 2013 #36
TroglodyteScholar Jan 2013 #40
LisaL Jan 2013 #49
HockeyMom Jan 2013 #41
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #44
HockeyMom Jan 2013 #46
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #48
LisaL Jan 2013 #50

Response to jsr (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:59 PM

1. I thought Rapiscan was a satirical name

Amazing that's what the company is really called.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:02 PM

3. I know. How clueless are their marketing people?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:21 PM

9. Maybe they are just very honest.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:22 PM

10. I am sure they intended to suggest rapid scan, but it reads like rape is scan. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:33 PM

15. I'm sure therapists sympathize with their situation... n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:40 PM

17. Ha--another "unfortunate" word!!!

Can you imagine someone who is chugging along in their ESL class, being told by a doctor that they need to see the rapist for additional medical help??? It would be enough to put one off medical care entirely!

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Response to MADem (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:32 AM

35. Rapeyscan nt

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:47 PM

18. The marketing people dont have to be very clever when they have good lobbyists.

"The company Rapiscan - which built some of these machines - spent $420,000 in 2008 alone lobbying lawmakers - and their return on that investment in lobbying was a 2009 contract for $173 million worth of these machines for our in airports. Former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff - who played his part is hyping up fear while working for the Bush Administration - went on to became a lobbyist - and went on TV telling the American people that these machines were needed to keep us safe. And guess who was one of Chertoff's clients? Rapiscan. " Thom Hartmann

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10179062

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:09 AM

24. Wasn't he a part owner of Rapiscan previously? n/t

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:17 AM

43. I believe that to be true but couldnt find such. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:49 AM

32. makes sense

Thanks for the info.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:18 PM

8. Does it rhyme with a musical genre or sexual violation?

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Response to alp227 (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:27 AM

26. Yes. n/t

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:31 PM

13. That was my first thought too

Seriously, what a fail...

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:26 AM

33. Yeah, that is really unfortunate. nt

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:26 AM

45. I wondered the same thing!

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:02 PM

2. When they stop using these health hazards, I might consider flying again.

I refuse to subject myself and my family to radiation and groping just for the privilege of flying in over-priced seats with crabby staff and no food or drink. I'll take my time and take the train.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:03 PM

4. No. Read the article. The other type of machine doesn't use x-rays. Many people on DU

have been advocating for the use of the other machines because they are safer.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:08 PM

6. I see that now on a reread. Updated my post. Thanks!

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:00 AM

20. Half of the machines already in place use sound waves instead of x-rays.

So depending on where you're flying to and from, you might consider flying anytime.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:45 AM

30. Sound waves?


Do you have a link for that?

There are two types, x-ray backscatter and millimeter wave.

But... sound waves? That would be an interesting trick for a number of reasons.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:42 AM

38. Sorry. I meant to say "radio waves" (millimeter waves) are not x-rays.

Here's more info:

http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/communications/1-how-is-data-put-on-radio-waves.html

How is data put on radio waves?

There are two common ways to put information in a radio wave, and you've likely run into them yourself. They are called A.M. and F.M. just like the two choices you've always known are on a radio. To understand these two ways of sending information it is important to know that radio waves, by themselves, have very regular patterns. Generally they keep the same amplitude or frequency all the time. (Amplitude is the "height" of the radio wave, frequency is how close the waves are to each other.)

http://www.propublica.org/special/scanning-the-scanners-a-side-by-side-comparison

A millimeter wave machine beams radio frequency waves over the surface of the body using two rotating antennas. The energy reflected back from the body is analyzed for anomalies. Because of controversy over a “virtual strip search,” TSA swapped the image with a generic unisex outline that resembles the cartoon character Gumby.

What energy is used? Low-powered millimeter waves, which are not a form of ionizing radiation. (Ionizing radiation is powerful enough to strip electrons off atoms and damage DNA, potentially leading to cancer.)

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:55 AM

47. X-rays are electromagnetic waves, just like radio waves

Radio waves, microwaves, light, x-rays... They are all electromagnetic waves.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:49 PM

52. So? Water is a chemical, just like alcohol.

But they don't have the same effect on the body -- and neither do radio waves and x-rays.

Do you worry about radio waves every time you turn on your radio?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:23 PM

54. "Do you worry about radio waves every time you turn on your radio?"


Umm.. no.. but the other name for "millimeter waves" is "microwaves".

Do you stick your head in the microwave oven?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave

Microwaves are radio waves with wavelengths ranging from as long as one meter to as short as one millimeter, or equivalently, with frequencies between 300 MHz (0.3 GHz) and 300 GHz. This broad definition includes both UHF and EHF (millimeter waves), and various sources use different boundaries. In all cases, microwave includes the entire SHF band (3 to 30 GHz, or 10 to 1 cm) at minimum, with RF engineering often putting the lower boundary at 1 GHz (30 cm), and the upper around 100 GHz (3 mm).

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:59 AM

51. How can we find out? I've tried the TSA website and it made no sense.

Train is cheaper for the next trip and we are not in a hurry so the time to travel doesn't matter.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:52 PM

53. The machines look different. So you could ask friends who do use the airport.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:04 PM

5. And the manufacturer will have to pay to remove them. Good.

We should have just been using the other company all along, since they have the better product.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:17 PM

7. This is the company through which Michael Chertoff, a Bushie, was stealing millions from taxpayers.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:27 PM

11. How many millions of tax dollars were flushed down Rapiscam?

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:08 AM

23. This was/is a disgrace with Chartoff pocketing the profits

and other Repuke scam artists meanwhile thousands of female airport workers were exposed to a ton of radiation, unnecessarily!

I opted out and got mauled. Grrrr

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:49 AM

39. What a strange comment

Only the female airport workers were exposed to radiation?
The males were somehow exempt?

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:43 PM

55. Think female reproductive system

What a strange reaction to my post!

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:28 PM

12. Wait a minute....

Last edited Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:38 AM - Edit history (1)

K&R

... What was the name of GW's last Director of Homeland Security? Funny/unusual last name? I'm having a senior moment. Someone holler back at me and I will finish this reply... Thanks!

*Editing to answer my own question and ask another...

Does anyone remember Michael Chertoff? If my memory serves me correctly (and sometimes it doesn't!) Michael Chertoff was going through the swinging door to head a company that made these X-Ray machines for the airports. Does anyone remember that? I tried to find the Board Members of this Rapiscan & OSI Systems, Inc, but had no luck. And I can't explain why I'm so fascinated with this. Maybe because of the backstory that's not being told about this sudden collapse of his (Chertoff's) contract with Homeland Security. What happened to Rapiscan?

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Response to ReRe (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:01 AM

21. Are you thinking of "Brownie"?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:26 AM

25. No...

he was FEMA director. I just found it! He was Michael Chertoff! I'm going to go back and edit my first reply... won't take me long, so if you're online for a while, check my original reply again...

Thanks!

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Response to ReRe (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:30 AM

29. Michael Chertoff.

aka Skeletor.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:45 AM

31. You win!

... I have a tendency (lifelong) of not remembering the names of people I don't like. Seriously. Please see my original post for the rest of my questions about this smarmy character...

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:46 AM

42. ...and his (also) evil twin:

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Response to ReRe (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:24 AM

34. You have an excellent memory.

You just need to learn to google.

I googled "Chertoff" and "Rapiscan" and this is the first thing I found. Enjoy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/fear_pays_chertoff_n_787711.html

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:33 AM

37. Wowser...

Thank you for that! Took me a while to read it as my eyes are tired. All I googled at first was was Rapiscan and OSI Systems, Inc, which didn't get me to his name. Then I came back and googled homeland security directors. Bingo, there he was. Chertoff is one of the places where all the money goes....

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:31 PM

14. I actually liked that thing

I have an artificial knee and using it cut down the time I spent detained. Guess I'll have to go back to sitting in a cubicle and waiting for a frisking.

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Response to MichaelHarris (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:35 PM

16. Not to worry. They will replace rapiscans by machines made by a different company.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:54 PM

19. Oh well

I guess it's back to anal probing.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:07 AM

22. HA! I have been railing against those radiation spewing machines for a while

When will someone admit what a health hazard they posed?

In England they got rid of them because so many people working near them miscarried!

Not covered here though.. just a nice fade to black.

Chartoff is RICH due to this BS. Watch the skin cancer numbers go up shortly.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:29 AM

27. Looks like Skeletor's business plans aren't going as expected.

So how long until Chertoff sails away on the golden parachute while Rape-i-scan goes bust?

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:29 AM

28. Investor info is suddenly very hard to find.....

http://www.rapiscansystems.com/en/company/investors...

keep lookin'

I'm sure it's just a glitch..

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:58 AM

36. Glad i chose the pat down every time I ran into one of these things

eom

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:11 AM

40. Introducing a "gingerbread man" software update should have been simple for them...

In the past couple of years I've been through a number of other manufacturers' scanners that use this simple solution for privacy. Why would Rapiscan flush such a lucrative deal this way? Madness....

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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:51 AM

49. I wonder if it's just a pretend reason, and the real goal of TSA is to get rid of X-rays (radiation)

I never believed it was all so harmless as they claimed.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:43 AM

41. "Tell us if your left arm hurts"

Why? I went through this full body scanner in Ft. Myers, Fl., but not at JFK where it was just the regular x-ray. No, my arm did not hurt me right after, BUT it was killing me the next day. I couldn't do anything with it for about 24 hours.

Never again. I would rather have a pat down. What is with this?

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #41)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:20 AM

44. What??????

Am I reading correctly that you went thru a full body scanner and were TOLD that your left arm might hurt as a result, and it did hurt?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:28 AM

46. Before I went through the full body scanner,

the TSA person told me to tell them if after it my left arm hurt. They did not tell me WHY it should hurt. My arm did not hurt right after I went through the scanner. It happened 24 hours later.

I would like to know WHY they thought my arm might hurt. I tried doing a google search about this but I found nothing. I was wondering if anyone knew about this.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:33 AM

48. Sounds like some mass experiment to me...

Did they give you any contact info so you COULD tell them if your arm hurts????
and why your lrft arm, I wonder..was that the arm closest to the scanner?
You might want to document where and when and who re: the scanner, in case this comes up as a lawsuit later.
Imagine what could happen if hundreds of people all had the same problem.

I have refused to fly since TSA got so invasive.
And it was very clear that the scanner technology was not safe, as time went on and more and more stories came out about TSA workers not being allowed protection, it became more concerning.
See, for instance, this:
http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/30/did-airport-scanners-give-boston-tsa-agents-cancer/

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:52 AM

50. That is extremely bizarre.

Have you tried contacting TSA?

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