HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » Latest Breaking News (Forum) » U.S. Agrees To French Req...
Introducing Discussionist: A new forum by the creators of DU

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:05 PM

U.S. Agrees To French Request For Airlift Help For Mali Operation

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON | Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:03pm EST

(Reuters) - The United States has agreed to a French request for airlift capacity to help France move its troops and equipment to Mali, a U.S. official said on Thursday.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/us-sahara-crisis-usa-airlift-idUSBRE90G1CD20130117

27 replies, 2190 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 27 replies Author Time Post
Reply U.S. Agrees To French Request For Airlift Help For Mali Operation (Original post)
Purveyor Jan 2013 OP
msongs Jan 2013 #1
iandhr Jan 2013 #5
Hard Assets Jan 2013 #7
OnlinePoker Jan 2013 #10
Charles Goya Jan 2013 #13
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #2
Ash_F Jan 2013 #3
iandhr Jan 2013 #4
Ash_F Jan 2013 #6
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #8
pasto76 Jan 2013 #9
Ash_F Jan 2013 #11
Lucky Luciano Jan 2013 #15
Ash_F Jan 2013 #19
Lucky Luciano Jan 2013 #20
Ash_F Jan 2013 #21
Lucky Luciano Jan 2013 #22
Ash_F Jan 2013 #23
Charles Goya Jan 2013 #14
Chathamization Jan 2013 #18
Alamuti Lotus Jan 2013 #25
ButterflyBlood Jan 2013 #12
ellisonz Jan 2013 #17
Ian Iam Jan 2013 #16
Socal31 Jan 2013 #24
Ian Iam Jan 2013 #26
rachel1 Jan 2013 #27

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:07 PM

1. never can participate in enough wars, can we nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:18 PM

5. This is different from combat.

This is airlifting Frances Military equipment.


There is a big difference between multilateralism which is whats going on here and the unilateral nature of the Iraq war.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to iandhr (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:19 PM

7. Quite correct. France is a NATO ally, and made a legitimate request. I hope France can reimburse

 

us for the time spent and effort.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hard Assets (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:35 PM

10. France isn't a member of NATO

They withdrew in the 60's as de Gaulle wanted France to be on an equal footing to the U.S. and U.K. in the upper echelon of NATO and to have the option of negotiating a separate peace with the Warsaw Pact if it invaded West Germany. That being said, they have maintained an arms-length relationship with the remainder of NATO vis-a-vis security in Europe.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OnlinePoker (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:06 PM

13. That's incorrect. France is a NATO member

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:10 PM

2. I wish them luck, and safety.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:10 PM

3. Crushing democracy, one nation at a time. /nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ash_F (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:16 PM

4. Your on the side of the al qaeda linked Islamists?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to iandhr (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:19 PM

6. I invite you to study Mali more before spouting nonsense.

It's not my job to educate you. I am sure you are more than capable. Here is a hint, turn off the tv. Good day.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ash_F (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:27 PM

8. ditto

.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ash_F (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:32 PM

9. uh yeah. the democratically elected government was OVERTHROWN last year

and this military coup government now has its back against the wall.

you should feel like a dope right about now

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pasto76 (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:43 PM

11. When multiple entire ethnic groups and geographical areas have no representation...

... a country can not be called a democracy. Do you know what a democracy is?

Oh and btw the central coup government is the one that is being supported by France. Your post is wrong on so many levels.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ash_F (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:11 AM

15. You are referring to those shitstains determined

to destroy as many historical sites as possible in Mali and enforce strict Sharia law? If that is democracy, I don't want democracy. These religious maniacs are a menace. The Touaregs had to cancel their huge festival in the desert way out past Timbuktu because of all this. A real shame.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:02 PM

19. Tell us how you really feel.

Because there are fanatics in a country then surely that is exactly what it's rebellion is about. So the entire group(and others of which you are likely uneducated on) are shitstains? Seriously go ahead, blatant racism is ok on DU these days.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ash_F (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:05 PM

20. The fanatics ARE the shitstains.

They are the one desecrating historical sites in the name of some flying spaghetti monster - much like the ancient Buddha statues in Afghanistan were tragically destroyed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:09 PM

21. You are completely uneducated on the situation, go do some reading.

I don't suppose you think Obama's election was about the new Black Panthers trying to enslave the white man?


Start here: http://thinkafricapress.com/

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ash_F (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:34 PM

22. Oyyyy.

I was actually fascinated with going to Mali. I was planning to go to Essakane in January of last year, but didn't have time. My friends had an amazing experience there with great people and music - specifically with the Tuaregs.

Now some folks obsessed with their version of the Flying Spaghetti Monster have ruined the area. I sympathize with the Tuaregs in general, but not with anyone associated with the desecration of historically significant sites in Mali in the name of god. Such people can go to much worse extremes.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:35 PM

23. Then you should understand that the rebellion consists of a diverse group with legitimate grievences

Not all of them being Muslim fundamentalists, and not all of them even allied to each other. Some in fact have been fighting each other. But NATO is going to kill them all just the same and impose the will of the central government, which is actually their will. If France really wanted to be the good guys then they would offer aid with the stipulation that a post war government must be truly democratic and include the Tuareg and other disenfranchised minorities, but that is not what is happening currently.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to iandhr (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:08 PM

14. Did the media link them to Al Qaeda or they linked themselves?

 

Two things I am not sure of:

1) How Al Qaeda "affiliates" become "affiliates" (because they are linked to AQ or because the media/US say so?
and
2) How Al Qaeda-"linked" groups became "linked" to AQ. (because they share resources or because the media/US said they are linked?)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Charles Goya (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:26 PM

18. Most of the media is awful

They don't even talk about the groups participating in the fighting, just calling them "al-Qaeda-linked groups," and then talk about concerns that the country will become a safe haven for al-Qaeda. The groups that are fighting are various groups mainly made up of a relatively small ethnic minority in the country. Other parts of the reports are great - that they've taken control of an area the size of Afghanistan - neglecting to mention that it's the most sparsely populated part of the country, and a lot of that land is in the Sahara desert. Or that the rebels are "only" 400km from the capital - which, incidentally, is the distance from the capital to those sparsely populated areas (it's also almost the distance needed to cross Guinea and reach Sierra Leon - I wouldn't be surprised if some rebels in Sierra Leon managed to get "only" 400km away from Bamako).

Also, the "al-Qaeda" they're linked to apparently isn't the al-Qaeda that we know, but a group that started out as the "Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat," before changing their names and "swearing loyalty" to al-Qaeda for branding purposes (it seems). Frankish kings would swear loyalty to the Byzantine emperor for similar reasons, but had no significant connection.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Charles Goya (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:53 PM

25. it is not really in question..

 

Last edited Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:48 PM - Edit history (1)

The media is not powerful enough to be inventing facts on the ground. There are three main fighting groups, two are native Arab/Toureg nationalist forces (Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa and Ansar ad-Din, whose commander has been a part of the Toureg resistance struggle for over 20 years).

The third force was formerly based in Algeria. In the 1990s, the Algerian military cancelled elections that a centrist Islamic party was going to dominate; the Armed Islamic Group of Algeria (GIA in French) was formed to fight the military dictatorship and their French backers, with a splinter group known as the Salafist Group for Preaching & Combat that took the primary role in the fight after 1999. That party was in conflict with al-Qai'dah for years, but finally made peace with them and rebranded themselves as al-Qai'dah in the Islamic Maghreb (which means "West", Mashriq--Palestine/Syria/Iraq/etc--being "East"). The 'franchise' name alone seems to the contribution from the 'home office', which is long passed its period of being a central headquarters for their world revolution. The decentralized status of the present organizations seems to be more of a threat now than it was before, for there is no central leadership to decapitate that would affect the groups as a whole.

There is not much of a connection between these parties and the organization led by Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri, presumably still based in Pakistan. The organization fanned out across the Sahara and Sahel (Niger River basin) over the last few years and has grown very strong on its own, as witnessed by the quick success of the Malian Islamic Coalition (as they call themselves) in rolling over the military junta first, and French invasion forces presently. They have a bit of backing from some Saudi businessmen, but Qatar is opposed to them and supports the NATO invasion (Qatar might as well be made a satellite office of the NATO aggressive alliance now). Contary to unnecessarily optimistic assumption by unqualified professional analysts (same people who crowed about "slam dunks", deadly weather balloons, babies in incubators, and the like), many businessmen and workers in the region (from Mauretania, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and the entire Niger River valley in West Africa) support the efforts of the fighters of various organizations against their very corrupt governments, most of which are wholly beholden to NATO powers and are barely above being military dictatorships that siphon money from the people and build themselves palaces.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ash_F (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:04 PM

12. al-Qaeda linked Islamists are fighting for democracy now? nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:41 AM

17. They're fighting for the democratic right

of a small majority to impose their beliefs on the majority through military might. What could be more American!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:58 AM

16. Excellent

 

After all the grief France has gotten from rightwing U.S. chickenhawks, I should think you owe them!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ian Iam (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:27 PM

24. There is a long history of the United States and France "helping" each other.

I assume I do not need to go into all of those reasons as they are common knowledge.

Your suggestion that the US should be involved in another "operation" due to some idiot saying "Freedom Fries" is frankly the most ludicrous thing I have read all day.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Socal31 (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:41 PM

26. Glad to be of help!

 

Have a Merry Weekend

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:56 PM

27. "War is the health of the state" - Randolph Bourne

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread