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Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:53 AM

UPDATED: Shots fired with AK-47 hit 2 homes in Montville Twp.

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Source: Medina (Ohio) Gazette

UPDATE: Suspects Mark Bornino and R. Daniel Volpone were arrested on the charge of discharging a firearm on or near a prohibited place, a third-degree felony, according to Terry Grice, Montville Township police chief. An arraignment proceeding took place this morning via video in Medina Municipal Court.



MONTVILLE TWP. — Mary Kuruc and her two adult daughters had just left the kitchen when the second bullet came through the wall and ripped into their microwave.

Kuruc’s colonial home at (address deleted) was one of two houses hit twice Wednesday afternoon by bullets fired from an AK-47 assault rifle about a third of a mile away, police said.

Police arrested the shooters, who said they were target-practicing.

Kuruc, 55, said it was lucky no one was hit.

“There are usually kids around here,” she said. “Someone could have been hurt. You just don’t expect this to happen on a Wednesday afternoon.”

(snip)

Montville police Sgt. Matthew Neil agreed.

Read more: http://medinagazette.northcoastnow.com/2013/01/17/shots-hit-montville-houses/



Maybe they should require a MRI to determine if a gun owner has a functioning brain.

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Reply UPDATED: Shots fired with AK-47 hit 2 homes in Montville Twp. (Original post)
Fuddnik Jan 2013 OP
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TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #2
SunSeeker Jan 2013 #3
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Liberalagogo Jan 2013 #8
1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #9
durablend Jan 2013 #13
Fuddnik Jan 2013 #14
defacto7 Jan 2013 #23
bemildred Jan 2013 #10
defacto7 Jan 2013 #24
Posteritatis Jan 2013 #54
Botany Jan 2013 #11
freshwest Jan 2013 #40
naaman fletcher Jan 2013 #48
Locrian Jan 2013 #55
Botany Jan 2013 #57
wake.up.america Jan 2013 #12
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #15
Javaman Jan 2013 #16
we can do it Jan 2013 #17
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onehandle Jan 2013 #19
Historic NY Jan 2013 #34
LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #20
oldbanjo Jan 2013 #35
Dash87 Jan 2013 #21
AlbertCat Jan 2013 #22
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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:59 AM

2. Isn't this local news? No one was even injured.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:59 AM

3. Those idiots better go to jail. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:40 PM

62. +1000

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:00 PM

4. MRI not necessary. If someone wants one of these type guns after all that has happened, they are


clearly too callous and sick to own one. Yep it's a Catch-22, but true.

The background check should merely ask the question, "Does applicant want an assault type weapon?" If answer is "Yes," then background system should respond with, "They can't have one, hold them until authorities arrive."

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:01 PM

5. +1

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:02 PM

6. But the gun nuts will tell us it was not an AK-47

so that makes it all OK

Felony = bye bye guns assholes!!

yup

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:03 PM

7. Define "functioning."

Right now I favor amputating itchy trigger fingers.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:06 PM

8. This wouldn't have happened

If the microwave had been armed.

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Response to Liberalagogo (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:08 PM

9. LOL n/t

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Response to Liberalagogo (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:23 PM

13. Maybe if the homeowners were ARMED

And fired back at whoever was outside this never would've happened!

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Response to durablend (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:30 PM

14. In that area of Medina County, they probably were.

I know the area well. Flat as a pancake.

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Response to durablend (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:34 PM

23. Yup...

Just keep firing and firing until you finally hit something. That'll learn'em a lesson or two!



(sarcasm)

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:09 PM

10. So I'm guessing that "Twp." does not mean "twerp". nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:36 PM

24. twerpship

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Response to bemildred (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:17 PM

54. It's a standard abbreviation for "township." (nt)

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:20 PM

11. 600 + rounds of 7.62 mm AK 47 ammo, 9 mm pistol, a .308 pistol, a .22 cal pistol,

beer, marijuana, shooting in a residential neighborhood, no backstop
for the bullets, and the firing line was right towards I-71 which was less
then 2 miles away what could go wrong?

No doubt they were part of a well regulated militia.

BTW I have worked around that area and know they lay of the land and they
(the shooters) are lucky they didn't kill someone.

read the article and then hit this link

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en&oe=UTF-8&q=2907+parnham+drive+medina+OH&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x8830c8c41ad54835:0x615098757314743b,2907+Parnham+Dr,+Medina,+OH+44256&gl=us&sa=X&ei=ry74UK3PF5OL0QGX94DQAQ&ved=0CDAQ8gEwAA

They (the shooters) were to the east of the home that was hit on Windfall Rd shooting to the west in their backyard.

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Response to Botany (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:36 PM

40. Defend-against-tyranny FAIL:





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Response to Botany (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:29 PM

48. I'd be willing to bet

 

that it was not an AK-47 capable of 600 rounds per minute. The importation of such weapons was banned decades ago.

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Response to naaman fletcher (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:19 PM

55. you would be correct

Except they said they had 600 ROUNDS of ammo, not that it was capable of shooting 600 rounds/minute.

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Response to naaman fletcher (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:23 PM

57. If it was semi auto then you could fire it as fast as you could pull the trigger ....

.... until the magazine was empty of rounds ..... in this case it was not the
high # of rounds that were being fired but that the idiots were not firing it
in area where it was safe to fire.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:20 PM

12. Apparently, God is a member of the NRA and approves of these shootings by mentally ill people.

Or is that the NRA blames the shootings on mentally people but not the easy acess to guns and God is tight with that?

Law abiding , God fearing people will be punished by background checks. What a stupid statement. People without a record shoot people as well, or am I wrong?

The insanity gets crazier every day.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:30 PM

15. Violated Rule #4: Know your target and what is beyond it.

Lose your guns, go to jail. Dipshits.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:48 PM

16. These are the same two fools who were quoted as saying...

"They were drinking alcohol, they had some drugs on them and they were just outside, in their backyard shooting paper targets," Neil Said. "They felt because they were shooting at a downward angle, that it would have been OK."

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/oh_medina/Bullets-strike-Montville-homes-narrowly-miss-officers-as-AK-47-target-practice-goes-awry

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:52 PM

17. My dad's family used tp live on that road.

Not really surprised to hear that happened there.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:56 PM

18. If the Kuruc women had been armed with AK47s on their persons this would never have happened.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:59 PM

19. Just a couple of responsible gun owners.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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Response to onehandle (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:51 PM

34. The weapon should be returned once the ..

highway dept fixes it.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:16 PM

20. How many do their target/practice shooting outside?

And how much is littered without being picked up?

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:18 PM

35. I sight in my guns in my yard, but I have several backstops,

depending where I'm shooting. I have three ranges from 25 yards to the longest which is 200 yards. Across the road I have a hill of dirt about 15 feet tall. A farmer down the road from me was shooting at a target on his land and I drove up, when he finished shooting he tore the target off the oak tree and I swear I could see the cars on I-95 thru the hole. I told him that he was going to kill someone.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:25 PM

21. "The time is now for bullet-proof siding." - Wayne LaPierre

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:32 PM

22. Bet they didn't even hit their targets.

Drinking and shooting a gun should get you a trip to Somalia for the rest of your life.


Yes...hunters too.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:15 PM

63. Or they're idiots that have no idea how powerful an AK is

I'd like to know what exactly was behind their target that would have stopped the bullets.

Not that it would have been okay if they had a sufficient backstop.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:55 PM

25. More patriots fighting govt tyranny.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:04 PM

26. "You just don’t expect this to happen on a Wednesday afternoon.”

What the hell is Saturday Night like around there?

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:25 PM

47. *

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:07 PM

27. They're a bunch of fucking yahoos, drinking and shooting in a poorly built shooting range.

Their right to own firearms should be revoked for life.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:13 PM

28. I'll ask the obvious question: what civilian needs a bullet that will travel 1/3 of a mile?



If you're too much of a chickenshit to face whoever it is you feel like shooting at, you probably shouldn't have a gun/gun license.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:27 PM

30. The warning label on ammunition commonly used for hunting says bullets can travel up to 5 miles

 

Even .22 Long Rifle can travel up to a mile.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:46 PM

32. But, but, but, those targets we heavy paper.

 

That should have slowed the bullets down enough, so they couldn't go far. You know, on the TV, cardboard boxes stop bullets in those cop shows. So what's the problem?

And gun nuts wonder why people label gun nuts, gun nuts. Well, DUH!

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Response to RC (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:59 PM

39. Stupid with a firearm is dangerous. Nobody disagrees with that.

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:10 PM

42. Good, then we can agree that some people should not have guns/weapons.

 

Unlike now.

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Response to RC (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:14 PM

43. Actually, there are several classes of people who cannot legally own modern firearms right now

 

FYI, from Title 18, Chapter 44, Section 922 of the United States Code:

(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
(2) is a fugitive from justice;
(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
(5) who, being an alien—
(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26)));
(6) who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;
(8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and
(B)
(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or
(ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
(9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

This is part of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which has been amended several times. Sub-paragraph (8) was the most recent, added in 1994.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:22 PM

44. Doesn't seem to be working too well, does it?

 

Let's try something different, stopping the manufacturing of obscene numbers of guns for sale for anyone that has the money, from international gun runners, to some nut on the internet with a stolen credit card. Dry up the source.

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Response to RC (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:30 PM

45. There are three weak links that make the law less effective than it could be

 

One is the lack of a means in most states for people who do not have a Type 01 Federal Firearms License to check the background of a prospective buyer of a used firearm. That could be fixed with legislation.

Second, incomplete data in the National Instant Check System (NICS) database. The President is addressing that, but it will require help from Congress.

Third, there is no systematic prosecution of people who fail a NICS check when they are attempting to buy a firearm. In every case of a bona fide rejection in NICS, the person who was attempting to buy a firearm committed a crime just by making a false statement on the paper form that he or she completed and signed under penalty of perjury. Very few people who do that are actually prosecuted - A conviction can result in a five year sentence in federal prison.

Address those three problems, and the laws would be a whole lot more effective.

...stopping the manufacturing of obscene numbers of guns for sale for anyone that has the money, from international gun runners, to some nut on the internet with a stolen credit card.

I think you have a misconception about Internet sales of firearms. Only a federal firearms licensee can have a firearm shipped directly to him or her without having the transaction go through a federal firearms licensee.

As to the number of firearms that are manufactured, that is simply supply and demand in action. Doing a better job of screening buyers as I outlined above would reduce demand only slightly, because a large majority of people who buy firearms never commit crimes with them.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:31 PM

49. And it's still a system of disqualification not the reverse.

 

A person has to demonstrate (and the state has to prove) that they are unfit to possess firearms.

The ONLY way to do this is WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO FUCKING GO WRONG.

Meaning loss of life, serious injury, or wanton destruction of property.

And the NRA's answer, boiled down, is "If the victims had instruments of REVENGE, all would even out and be hunky dory."

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:39 PM

50. As long as the right to own one is enumerated in the Constitution, it has to be that way

 

There is a lot of room for improvement in the effectiveness of the background check system. Please see reply #45 above.

Most restrictions are based on a system of disqualification, because by default anything that is not illegal is legal. Driving a car on a public road is a privilege, so you have to prove that you are capable of doing so safely before you can get a license.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:20 PM

56. Just checked again. Still nothing about individual ownership.

 

Just checked my Oxford to be sure. "The people" is a plurality, not a person.

2A IS WHOLELY SATISFIED BY THE EXISTENCE OF STATE NATIONAL GUARDS.

What I find most interesting, is that pretty much every right specifically assigned to the INDIVIDUAL by The Constitution and it's Ammendments has been violated or circumscribed.

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:02 PM

59. So tell me, does "the right of the people peaceably to assemble" not apply to individuals?

 



How about "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects" - Does it not apply to each and every individual?

How about the other rights "retained by the people," that are the subject of Amendment IX?

The term "the people" appears four times in the Bill of Rights. Why would one instance of it mean something different than the other three?

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:34 PM

60. One: Takes two to tango. And individual protestors...

 

are oftimes legitimately prosecuted as public nusiances or defamers. That might well include your first example.

Four: remainder of text makes it fairly clear that it is the collective right of individuals.

Nine: Not at all hard to find any number of instances where collectives are given permissions denied individuals.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:26 PM

36. A 410 shotgun slug can travel near 1/2 mile,

my pellet rifle can kill you at over 200 yards. It shoots thru turtle shells at 60 yards, we have a couple of ponds and all summer long I thin out the turtles. Most of my practice is with a pellet rifle.

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Response to oldbanjo (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:37 PM

38. Why shoot turtles?

That's just plain stupid.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:38 AM

64. Presumably he means snapping turtles.

Or alligator snapping turtles. People commonly shoot them because they can empty a pond of fish.

*shrug* I just catch them in a net and move them to the pond that doesn't have catfish. (Full of bream, but I don't have to stock those.) No need to kill it when you can move it. It's not like they're hard to catch.

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Response to oldbanjo (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:45 PM

52. Thin out the turtles?!

Gee, and here I am sending donations to the N.C. School of Veterinarian Medicine to help them RESCUE and REHABILITATE turtles! Devoted group of veterinarians and vet students there.

Didn't realized turtles needed to be thinned out. I thought that pollution and bulldozers were doing the job just fine!

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Response to Myrina (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:27 PM

31. I hate to say, but many hunting rifles can shoot as far if not further.

Plenty of sport shooters/hunters armed with Remington 700s could hit targets further than that.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:40 PM

41. The 30'06 round, can fire up to 6000 yards (over three miles) and hit something

Now, the 30'06 I am referring to is the .30 M1 round adopted in 1924, it is a bow tail 174 grain round designed to hit a target up to 6000 yards away. It replaced the .30 Caliber M1906 Round adopted in 1906. The M1 Round lasted into WWII, my father commented on it that in a M1903 Springfield it kicked like a mule, but the M1903 Sights were good up to 6000 yards for area targets.

The M1 round was found to be to powerful for the M1 Rifle adopted in 1936 and the M2 ,30 Caliber Bullet was adopted to replace the M1 .30 Caliber Bullet. The M2 basically duplicated the 150 grain bullet of the M1906 round.

The 30'06 is still one of the most popular rounds in the USA, even loaded to M2 specifications it had a range of 3000 yards against Area targets. That is over 1 1/2 miles. The round itself can go way beyond that range, but what it hit will become more and more random till the round either runs out of power or hits something (Thus you have to make sure what is BEHIND what you are shooting, to make sure the round will NOT kill anything you do NOT want it to hit).

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Response to Myrina (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:54 PM

58. Pull a handgun and someone might go for it....

Pull a pump action shotgun and the guy will say, "Yes sir, I'd be more than happy to suck your peter."

As an added bonus, the damn load isn't going to go 1/3 of a mile.

Well,...unless you have a REALLY healthy prostate.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:25 PM

29. What kind of moronic news site publishes the complete address of a crime scene?

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:50 PM

33. They do that on TV news shows all the time.

 

Show the house and house number in a full frame shot and say the shooting took place on the corner of 76th and Troost, or whatever.
Around here, they even show a map, with the location pinned.

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Response to RC (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:33 PM

37. And the bad thing is that they will lie like hell and

and never correct it. Two twins I know were arrested for drugs, illegal guns and ammo, it was all over the TV, they showed pictures of the guns and ammo and told their lies, the two boys were legal and were released with no charges against them. The TV News never corrected it.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:54 PM

46. Welcome to another episode of "Dumbfu(%s With Assault Rifles"

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:42 PM

51. Those two knuckleheads need to go into the database

and be denied gun ownership for the rest of their dumb and dumber lives. They're old enough to know better, but they didn't.

Unfortunately, that gun show loophole still exists.

Jerks like that are why we need better gun laws.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:55 PM

53. Trifecta!

Alcohol , Tobacco (weed) and Firearms.

Dipshits.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:39 PM

61. 628 rounds for the AK's +100 for pistols + Coors beers, nice

I was expecting to see photos of teenage dummies whose parents were absent all their lives but these were old enough to know better adult jerks.

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Response to Fuddnik (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:54 PM

65. Since they've been charged with a felony do they lose the right to bear arms if convicted?

'Cause they'll be the criminals that shouldn't have guns...

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Response to auburngrad82 (Reply #65)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:54 PM

66. Yes.

 

And that is the way it should be.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #66)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:57 PM

67. I agree

Karma is indeed a bitch.

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