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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:48 PM

BREAKING: Major Japanese Airline Just Grounded All Of Its Boeing 787s

Source: Business Insider

All Nippon Airways has grouned all 17 of its Boeing 787 planes after one plane in its fleet made an emergency landing this evening.

More to come...

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/breaking-major-japanese-airline-just-grounded-all-of-its-boeing-787s-2013-1

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Reply BREAKING: Major Japanese Airline Just Grounded All Of Its Boeing 787s (Original post)
FarCenter Jan 2013 OP
babylonsister Jan 2013 #1
MADem Jan 2013 #2
PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #3
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #16
bluevoter4life Jan 2013 #4
amandabeech Jan 2013 #5
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #17
amandabeech Jan 2013 #18
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #19
Swamp Lover Jan 2013 #6
Populist_Prole Jan 2013 #7
GrantDem Jan 2013 #21
mike dub Jan 2013 #8
KeepItReal Jan 2013 #9
FarCenter Jan 2013 #10
truthisfreedom Jan 2013 #11
SoapBox Jan 2013 #12
pediatricmedic Jan 2013 #13
Nihil Jan 2013 #20
pediatricmedic Jan 2013 #24
crim son Jan 2013 #22
pediatricmedic Jan 2013 #23
JCMach1 Jan 2013 #14
SansACause Jan 2013 #15

Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:01 PM

1. Wow. That 'should' have a ripple effect. nt

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:02 PM

2. In Boston last week or so, one caught on fire after having battery problems.

Uh oh....

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:05 PM

3. "Boeing Dreamliner battery fire hot enough to melt fuselage, tests show"

From the fire last week...

WASHINGTON ó A fire that broke out last week in a Boeing 787 Dreamliner could have been hot enough to melt the carbon-fiber reinforced plastic that makes up the planeís shell, according to the results of tests the Federal Aviation Administration performed last year.

The fire broke out in a lithium battery housed near the tail section of a Japan Airlines plane at Bostonís Logan International Airport, prompting an investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board and a review by the FAA.

On Monday, the NTSB released photos of the fire-damaged battery and the metal box that contained it. An NTSB spokesman would not say Tuesday whether the box kept the fire from damaging anything but the battery, and a Boeing spokeswoman could not immediately say what material was used for the box.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/01/15/179964/boeing-dreamliner-battery-fire.html


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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:37 AM

16. Only has to get to 600c at the most to burn through aluminim as well.

That sort of fire is bad news on any aircraft.

Does the 787 skin have a lower melt point than sheet aluminum?

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:36 PM

4. Very bad news for Boeing

If given the option, I choose them over Airbus anytime. But this is bad news for the company. Especially after delaying delivery for years due to various issues with the program. I love the 787 and I love Boeing, but they need to fix this, otherwise the ramifications are going to be significant. I'm sure their French counterparts are wringing their hands, salivating at the thought of new A350 orders.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:43 PM

5. This airplane is made of "carbon fiber and plastic" instead of metal.

Plastic burns.

It's not just the shoddy components made by incompetent contractors, this seems like a design flaw.

They have a hot, untested in aircraft lithium-ion battery in a flammable plastic skin.

What could conceivably go wrong?

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:39 AM

17. Aluminum burns too.

This was once an airplane.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:50 AM

18. True, but at high temps than plastic, I believe.

I remember what the exocets did to the British ships in the Falklands.

If you wanted to post a picture, it didn't come through.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:46 AM

19. Yeah, I see that.

Sorry, it worked in the preview pane, but apparently the host doesn't allow hotlinking. Or too many people saw it and they took it down.

Depends on the plastic. I don't know the composition of the composite used on the 787, entirely possible you are correct, and it has a much lower melting point or combustion point than aluminum.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:49 PM

6. I guess low wage, non-union South Carolina Boeing plant isn't much of a bargain.

 

Who'd of thought this was coming?

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Response to Swamp Lover (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:02 PM

7. +1 Heh Heh Heh

Walmart-ization of the aviation industry sure does have its snags doesn't it?

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Response to Swamp Lover (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:39 PM

21. +1

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:12 PM

8. Back in the day, the DC-10 was always the "lemon" of wide-body jets...

but that title was earned over decades, and many deadly, horrifying crashes.

Let's hope the 787 never strips the DC-10 of that title...

At this point I think caution (grounding aircraft) is a very good thing... for passengers...

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:48 PM

9. Passengers had to make a speedy exit



Smoke in the aircraft?!?!

All 129 passengers and eight crew were evacuated safely via the plane's inflatable chutes. At a news conference, ANA said a smell was detected in the cockpit and the cabin, and pilots received emergency warning of smoke in the forward electronic compartment.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-incidents/airlines-ground-all-dreamliners-after-emergency-landing-20130116-2csqr.html#ixzz2I6gajoKM

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:31 PM

10. Per Bloomberg video -- JAL has also grounded their Boeing 787s

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:05 AM

11. If this is another battery fire, it's hard to believe that they've changed the battery chemistry or

pack build so dramatically that they're having new fires they never had before in other planes! I hope they release information soon about what happened.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:10 AM

12. But remember...Qantas grounded all their A380's for a while.

The 87 is a new plane...and stuff goes wrong.

It's gonna cost all involved money but good that they are doing this to get any issues resolved.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:24 AM

13. Why is this news? Most new aircraft have problems.

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Response to pediatricmedic (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:15 AM

20. It's news because it has just happened.

> Most new aircraft have problems.

And when they have "problems" of the nature of "bursting into flames" and
"smoke detected" then it makes the news. (cf Qantas & A380 issues)

What's up pal? Your Boeing shares just taken a dive or something?



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Response to Nihil (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:20 AM

24. haha

I don't have any shares of Boeing, sorry to disappoint.

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Response to pediatricmedic (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:01 PM

22. Fox "News" has it as one of their recent news stories,

along with this gem, "Fort Bragg agrees to stop blowing up goats for training."

Just an observation.

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Response to crim son (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:14 AM

23. No more goats for trauma training, that sucks, good learning and good eating after.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:55 AM

14. and there was a Japanese videographer on the flight

who filmed it all...

i.e. Boeing is in deep doodoo

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:37 AM

15. never trusted this material

Carbon nanocomposites might be all neat in the laboratory, but if I'm getting on a plane, I want it to be made of riveted aluminum and titanium.

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