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Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:30 PM

Reid Downplays Chances for Assault Gun Ban, Filibuster Changes

Source: Rollcall

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told a Nevada television station Friday that the Senate is unlikely to pass an assault weapons ban or a radical revamp of filibuster rules.

In the interview that aired on Vegas PBS this weekend, Reid, a gun rights supporter, struck a pragmatic tone on gun control measures.

Lets be realistic. In the Senate, were going to do what we think can get through the House. And Im not going to be going through a bunch of these gyrations just to say weve done something because if were really legislators, the purpose of it is to pass legislation, Reid said.

He said he wants to see what President Barack Obama wants to do by administrative means. Reid also expressed reservations about legislation to outlaw assault weapons, a measure that he has long opposed.

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Reply Reid Downplays Chances for Assault Gun Ban, Filibuster Changes (Original post)
hack89 Jan 2013 OP
upaloopa Jan 2013 #1
nick of time Jan 2013 #3
upaloopa Jan 2013 #6
nick of time Jan 2013 #7
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #12
nick of time Jan 2013 #13
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #14
former9thward Jan 2013 #8
upaloopa Jan 2013 #16
former9thward Jan 2013 #18
upaloopa Jan 2013 #19
former9thward Jan 2013 #24
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #11
upaloopa Jan 2013 #21
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #28
Laurian Jan 2013 #2
Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #4
upaloopa Jan 2013 #22
Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #29
xoom Jan 2013 #5
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #9
former9thward Jan 2013 #10
NickB79 Jan 2013 #30
madrchsod Jan 2013 #15
earthside Jan 2013 #26
catbyte Jan 2013 #17
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #20
hack89 Jan 2013 #23
nick of time Jan 2013 #25
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #27
NickB79 Jan 2013 #31
Dr_Scholl Jan 2013 #32
4dsc Jan 2013 #33
bobduca Jan 2013 #34

Response to hack89 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:36 PM

1. Still hasn't found his backbone yet

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:45 PM

3. Reid is a smart politician.

 

He won't waste political capital on an issue that he knows won't go anywhere. He was also there for the repuke takeover of the senate in 94 due in part of the AWB and he doesn't want a possible repeat of that.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:54 PM

6. You need to quit using that meme about

the 1994 take over. That's another one of the bull shit gunner talking points.
Dems didn't bother to vote and Hilary tried to reform health care.
I get so fucking tired of reading your same fucking talking points over and over.
We will have a new AWB this year.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:58 PM

7. Tell it to Bill Clinton.

 

He said so in his book that part of the reason for the repuke takeover was because of the AWB.
Don't argue with me, argue with him, he was there, he should know.
I wouldn't count on an AWB making it through the congress, like I said, Reid is a smart politician who knows the ins and outs of DC.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:24 PM

12. Bill Clinton: High-Capacity Magazines Are 'Nuts' (VIDEO)

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/bill-clinton-high-capacity-magazines_n_2448182.html

IF WE HAD THE SAME ELECTORATE AS 1994, NEWT WOULD BE PRESIDENT!

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:30 PM

13. What's this got to do with my comment?

 

I happen to agree with him about hi cap mags. I would be happy with 10 round mags., I would also be happy with universal background checks, better funding for states to improve the NICS system, more funding for mental health care.
These proposals, I think, would have no problem getting throught the congress and to the Pres. desk for a signature.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:49 PM

14. Nothing

But he knew that when he posted it.

In their zeal to get what they want, many are quite willing to ignore and even try to hide inconvenient facts when they are presented.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:08 PM

8. It is not a "bull shit gunner talking points."

Your attempt to shut down discussion is a fail. Bill Clinton in My Life said the ban cost Democrats over 20 seats in the House in 1994. I'll take his judgement over yours.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:24 PM

16. It is self serving gunner bull shit. I hate it more that any other thing I read on this board.

You talk like gun control made the election what it was. I was there too. It was the contract on America, health care reform, the fact that Democrats didn't bother to vote and gun control.

Stop lying like your pet issue is all that fucking important. To you maybe but it is one of many.

People are tired of that gunner rhetoric. Today marks 1 month since the murders in CT. The parents have formed a group and you re not going to shut them down with your talking points like all the other killings. They are not going to let it happen.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:27 AM

18. Take it up with Bill Clinton.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:44 AM

19. You sound like a fucking parrot

Take it up with Clinton take it up with Clinton. Do you gunners ever have an original thought or do you always just parrot what the gun lobby tells you to?

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:08 PM

24. Nothing oroiginal, just what the gun lobby tells me.

You caught me.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:15 PM

11. Tell it to the Big Dog...who says you are wrong

Reid desperately wants Obama to use his executive powers rather than forcing a vote.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:00 PM

21. Yea in your mind maybe

How come gunners always have the same talking points at the same time?

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:44 PM

28. Not everyone who says that is a pro gun including Bill Clinton.

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Response to hack89 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:43 PM

2. WTF? Time to call and/or email old Harry.

I cannot believe he won't change the filibuster rule! With the gerrymandered House and the absurd filibuster rules in current use, it's like we (the majority) have no representation at all.

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Response to hack89 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:48 PM

4. So will gun control benefit Ds or Rs ?

 

The absolute question that needs answered is will a push for gun control hurt Democrats in the next election including Sen Reid and others who push it? How much political capital will it take from climate change and protecting entitlements? I don't hear anything on this aspect.

Gun rights is somewhat like abortion rights except the passion is much greater. Many Americans that have a heritage of many generations view gun rights as fundamental to America. As with all rights in rural and middle America, it is fundamental to a culture. NYC is neither middle America nor fundamental to America. Many in the USA that voted for Obama are apolitical as in being Is, Ds and Rs. They wanted change. Many voted for Obama hoping to see prosecution of thieving NYC bankers and the corporate CEOs who outsourced jobs and stole from society.

USA politics needs changed so it benefits average Americans instead of only elites with their viewpoints and profits and access to firearms.

Progressive, Populist, Libertarian for the rights of people, not corporations

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Response to Cynicus Emeritus (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:04 PM

22. Why so much call for doing everything but gun legislation?

Obama's second term hasn't even started and you feel it should be limited to what is important to you. I guess we all feel that way. Obama can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:57 PM

29. Gun control will sap the Democractic Party and prevent major things from getting done

 

I could be wrong and so could Harry Reid, but we are more likely to be right.

Politics and life are about making priorities. Gun control is being pushed by urbanites who want it as their pet priority, and in the process it will inevitably sap the power of the Democratic Party from fixing the important things that need fixed and that affect millions. Things like climate change, making Wall St and business honest, protecting the food supply, prosecuting bankers (that unfortunately will never happen), staying out of wars in the Middle East, ensuring that wealthy bankers don't capture our pensions and Social Security.

The wealthy are behind the attempt to establish gun rights for the masses so as to deflect the attention from the elite and rich who already own all the security (private and public) they need. This issue will make all other political battles look like child's play. It will consume Congress and the American people and only make the divide worse and it isn't just L vs R. It is much more.

If only the media and the elite were as concerned about our false wars that have killed and destroyed the lives of many thousands more of young Americans as these mass killings that have have served as the catalyst just as 9-11 served as the catalyst for the Patriot Act.

Harry Reid understands that politics is not about chewing gum and walking. Political capital is expended on one or the other. Pushing gun control will sap the political lifeblood out of the Democratic Party while assuring nothing gets done in Congress on issues that affect millions. There is a very good chance that attempts for strict gun control will reverse the momentum of the Democratic Party, that has been in the Party's favor. It will consume the oxygen, just like the wars in the Middle East that have cost us dearly but have provided nothing of benefit for America.

Populist, progressive and libertarian for the masses.

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Response to hack89 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:51 PM

5. Hopefully the President can save us

 

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Response to xoom (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:14 PM

9. Which is what Reid wants him to do.

Despite what some here claim, the AWB has hurt the party in the past. If Obama attempts it through executive action and rule making, the legislators do not have to take a stand that will hurt them in the polls next time around.

It makes good sense politically

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Response to hack89 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:15 PM

10. It is ironic Reid wants to see what President Obama does by administrative means.

Reid placed a section (2716, part c) into the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) which protects 2nd amendment rights and prevents the President from using Executive orders on many items relating to the amendment.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/01/10/gun-advocates-celebrate-secret-obamacare-provision-forbidding-exec-order-to-regulate-guns-and-ammo/

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Response to former9thward (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:14 PM

30. Holy crap, I'd never read that before

Thanks for the link!

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Response to hack89 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:30 PM

15. he`s one of the worse majority leaders in our history

to think the democrats may have 8 years of being the majority of 51+ but can not pass anything because the new majority is 60.

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:40 PM

26. Tyranny of the minority.

It sounds like Reid is supporting a filibuster 'reform' that would still allow the Repuglicans to block virtually any bill with 41 votes.

If that turns out to be the case, well, yeah ... Reid will go down in history as one of the worst majority leaders in U.S. history -- and he should.

As pointed out, Democrats have had a working majority of 50+1 for eight years ... and because Reid cannot stand-up for the basic American democratic principle of majority rule, he has little to show for it.

If after January 22, we still have a Repuglican 'tyranny of the minority' in the U.S. Senate, then basically I give up ... it is pointless to elect a Democratic majority in the Senate. (And you can bet if the Repuglicans had managed to get a 51 vote majority they would have changed the filibuster rule lickety-split!)

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Response to hack89 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:46 PM

17. Of course. Why do anything. It's so fucking frustrating.

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Response to hack89 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:58 AM

20. More lies they told to get us to the polls

I think most of us new they would collapse when it came time to govern. If they changed the filibuster rules, the excuses for passing only right-wing laws would be gone. This way the president has cover for his right-of-Reagan agenda.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:05 PM

23. Reid has always been pro-gun. He at least is honest in that regard. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:20 PM

25. He's always opposed an AWB.

 

I don't think he'll allow an AWB to come up for a vote, he remembers what happened in 94 when the repukes wrested control of the congress due in part to the AWB as told by Pres. Clinton in his book, My Life.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:15 PM

27. true. I meant the part about working around the filibuster

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Response to hack89 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:21 PM

31. The meltdowns here on DU in a few months will be epic

When no new AWB gets passed this year, and possibly not even a ban on high-capacity magazines (that one's about 50/50 at this point).

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:15 AM

32. I don't think even that will get through.

 

Some pro gun Democrats might vote to ban high cap mags, but I see very few Republicans going for it.

That's assuming Boehner would even let it come up for a vote in the House.

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Response to hack89 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:19 AM

33. I told you, Weak leadership gets you nothing

And with we won't get any meaningful filibuster reform.

Same ole, same ole.


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Response to hack89 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:47 PM

34. Reid is timorous in the extreme

"not going to be going through a bunch of these gyrations"

Does anyone else think that this anything to do with NV gun ownership rates amongst his supporters?


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