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Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:04 PM

Boy Found Responsible For Murdering Father

Source: Associated Press

RIVERSIDE, Calif. (AP) — A California judge has found a boy was responsible for the second-degree murder of his white supremacist father when the defendant was just 10.

Riverside Superior Court Judge Jean Leonard made the ruling Monday in the case of the boy, who is now 12.

Prosecutors argued the boy knew what he was doing when he shot 32-year-old Jeff Hall — a regional leader of the National Socialist Movement — and the slaying was premeditated.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/boy-found-responsible-murdering-father-174217511.html



Let us not forget this boy. It behooves a sane, just and tolerant multi-cultural society to get him all of the follow-up counseling, age-appropriate schooling and on-going mental health support he deserves.

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Reply Boy Found Responsible For Murdering Father (Original post)
cer7711 Jan 2013 OP
MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #1
LiberalLovinLug Jan 2013 #2
closeupready Jan 2013 #4
PDJane Jan 2013 #3
marble falls Jan 2013 #5
Happyhippychick Jan 2013 #6
tabasco Jan 2013 #7
happyslug Jan 2013 #8
PDJane Jan 2013 #9
TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #10
Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #15
maindawg Jan 2013 #11
Tx4obama Jan 2013 #12
ellisonz Jan 2013 #13
elleng Jan 2013 #14

Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:13 PM

1. So...what now? They gonna put him in juvie?

Where he can go from scared kid to hardened criminal?
This kid needs help. Not incarceration.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:29 PM

2. You reap what you sow

"Defense attorney Matthew Hardy said his client grew up in an abusive and violent environment and learned it was acceptable to kill people who were a threat. Hardy contended the boy thought if he shot his dad, the violence would end."

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:47 PM

4. That's got to be the truth.

What minor child of 10 plots to kill his father? And how is this verdict going to prevent other 10-year-old's from plotting to kill their fathers?

I mean, the absurdity of it all is self-evident, IMO.

He needs therapy and rehabilitation - a now 12-year-old boy could grow up and be a contributing member of society in some way, if he gets help now.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:33 PM

3. The child should not be jailed.

This child needs a great deal of assistance, care, and love....not more violence.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:09 PM

5. A whole lot more love and a whole lot less violence. Kids can change.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:17 PM

6. My heart hurts for that child

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:19 PM

7. Oughta give the kid a medal for killing a scumbag nazi.

My uncle got a Silver Star for doing that in WWII.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:59 PM

8. Juvenile Conviction, will be released at age 23

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/01/abuse-led-to-killing-of-neo-nazi-father-judge-says.html

Most juveniles found responsible for second-degree murder would be sent to one of the three juvenile detention facilities run by the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. The institutions house California’s most violent juvenile offenders and none currently has any juvenile under 14 years old.

The judge indicated, however, that she would consider alternative placements, such as a secure facility run by the Riverside County Department of Probation in Indio. The boy’s attorney, public defender Matthew Hardy, said it would be a “tragedy” if his client was sent to one of the state facilities.


Hardy plans to appeal Monday’s ruling, saying he believes the judge erred when she found that the boy had the mental capacity to know shooting his father was wrong.


Before shooting his father, the youngster was expelled from eight schools for violent outbursts, including an attempt to strangle a teacher with a phone cord, according to evidence presented at the trial.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:54 PM

9. Violence is not going to help this child.

This child needs a safe environment, with a great deal of affection and someone who is willing to show him the better side of life. He used the solution that he had been taught.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:43 PM

10. Nor would letting him walk free to become his father.

 

The child is unfortunately what his father made of him.

Expelled from 8 schools? Have you any idea just how badly a kid has to act up in order to get expelled from just 1?

There is something fundamentally broken about this kid, and it would not surprise me to learn of him killing or seriously wounding another whilst inside.

This child is as much the product of unfettered free speech as 20 dead kids in Sandy Hook are the product of unfettered gun freedoms.

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:20 AM

15. And the attempt to strangle a teacher

That is exceedingly violent for a pre-adolescent kid. This boy has serious problems and needs a lot of help.

Yes, he's young and he can change, but he definitely is dangerous, and it won't help anyone, much less the boy, to have him in anything less than a very controlled environment.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:47 PM

11. children shound not be incarcerated

but what do you do with a 12 year old psychopath? I would start with outward bound. He would need a qualified guardian. Kids need discipline, they need rules and they need stability. They need opportunity. They need to feel safe. My solution is , safe houses. Farms , group homes , halfway houses.There are many old schools in Ohio. We have built new Schools.Some old Schools could be turned into school / dorms. No fences. Just a campus.
It does not have to be run by the govt. Bid it out. award the contracts to faith based organizations. Award them to anyone who will step up. I work with these kids. there are no bad kids. There are one hell of alot of scared kids.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:15 AM

12. Kick n/t

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:18 AM

13. Kick

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:23 AM

14. The boy's awful history, in somewhat chronological order:

Anna Salter, a clinical psychologist from Wisconsin who appeared for the prosecution, testified that the boy's mental function and grasp of reality probably was warped while he was in the womb, when his mother used heroin, LSD and methamphetamine. The boy's parents divorced shortly after he was born and Hall was awarded full custody of his son when the boy was 3.

The first signs of the boy's penchant for violence surfaced at an early age. When he was a toddler, his grandmother refused to baby-sit him because of his outbursts, and he later was expelled from eight schools for violent behavior, including an attempt to strangle a teacher with a phone cord, according to evidence presented at the trial.

The boy's grasp of the world was corrupted even more after his father, an unemployed plumber, joined the neo-Nazi movement in 2009, bringing him along on at least one outing with a hooded member of the Ku Klux Klan and letting him tag along with "patrols" along the Mexican border to search for illegal immigrants, Leonard said.

The youngster's father, Jeffrey Hall, was a West Coast leader for the neo-Nazi organization known as the National Socialist Movement. The judge said Hall's attempts to indoctrinate his son into the hate group corrupted the thought process of a boy who already was disturbed and displaying violent tendencies.

The boy's attorney said during the trial that Hall, when drunk or high, routinely beat his son. Shortly before he was killed, Hall also threatened to leave the family and to set the house on fire with his children and second wife inside.

The boy probably thought he was protecting his family when he fired that revolver, Hardy said.

"He didn't think it was wrong; he thought it was justified," Hardy said after Monday's hearing. "He thought he had to do it."

Hardy plans to appeal Monday's ruling, saying he believes Leonard erred when she found that the boy had the mental capacity to know shooting his father was wrong. Hardy said the boy made conflicting statements to police after the shooting, at one point saying he believed his father would "wake up" and rejoin the family.



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