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Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:02 PM

Hollande steps up France security over Mali and Somalia

Source: BBC News

French President Francois Hollande has ordered an increase in domestic security in the aftermath of military operations in Africa.

He was responding to the risk of Islamist attack after French forces intervened against militants in Mali.

A pilot was killed as France launched air strikes on a column of rebels.

Two French soldiers were "sacrificed" in a raid to free a French hostage in Somalia on Saturday, Mr Hollande said. The hostage was believed to have died.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20999348

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Reply Hollande steps up France security over Mali and Somalia (Original post)
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 OP
Pachamama Jan 2013 #1
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #2
Pachamama Jan 2013 #5
zellie Jan 2013 #11
ellisonz Jan 2013 #6
Pachamama Jan 2013 #7
ellisonz Jan 2013 #10
Posteritatis Jan 2013 #9
1983law Jan 2013 #16
Alamuti Lotus Jan 2013 #13
ellisonz Jan 2013 #14
Alamuti Lotus Jan 2013 #15
ellisonz Jan 2013 #17
Alamuti Lotus Jan 2013 #18
ellisonz Jan 2013 #19
Posteritatis Jan 2013 #8
awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #12
jgyjadsgf Jan 2013 #3
Pachamama Jan 2013 #4

Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:22 PM

1. Why are the French even there anymore?

Seriously....at this time, why are French Expats still there and the French Troops? This region is so dangerous, so hostile....what are the benefits versus the real costs both in monetary and human lives? Especially when France is in a financial crisis....

Let me guess....there are corporate interests there?

Ps: i apologize for my ignorance on Mali and that region of West Africa....I know a little about Somalia and our role in that region, but not as much as I know about other regions. But it seems to me to make little or no sense for the French to be there anymore...

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:29 PM

2. the corporate interests there

lie with a Florida based sugar management company : the Malian government had already appropriated all farm land which was then turned over to sugar production for ethanol for export to the west.

By and large I would say this is a gigantic scam.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:41 PM

5. No surprise.....

Guess the answer was obvious even before I asked the question....

Lets hope that the French citizens who are being asked for austerity measures and taxes can ask this question of their government and why any more French citizens and soldiers have to die at great expense and cost in order to protect these corporate "sweet interests"....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:28 PM

11. Easy... French imperialism.

 

nt

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:15 PM

6. Why should the sovereign government of Mali not...

...seek help from its allies in fighting back extremist rebels who threaten not only the democratic governance of Mali but those of its neighbors? The French assault is paving the way for an ECOWAS intervention that has been requested by the government of Mali.

By EDITH M. LEDERER | Associated Press – 22 hrs ago

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Friday that France, Senegal and Nigeria have responded to an appeal from Mali's president for help to counter an offensive by al-Qaida-linked militants who control the northern half of the country and are heading south.

The U.N. chief said in an interview with The Associated Press that assisting the Malian defense forces push back against the Islamist armed groups is "very important." The militants captured the city of Konna on Thursday, and were threatening the city of Mopti, which has 100,000 inhabitants.

The secretary-general said he received a letter from Mali's President Dioncounda Traore on Thursday "informing me of his intention to request assistance from French government and other regional powers, which I have brought to (the) urgent attention of the Security Council."

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Ban responded to a question asking his assessment of the French military action by first referring to Security Council resolution 2085, adopted unanimously on Dec. 20, which authorized an African-led mission composed of regional forces to support Malian authorities in recovering the north — an area the size of Texas.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-interview-un-chief-says-mali-getting-more-233022158.html


IMHO this is what textbook international intervention should look like - by the book and for humanitarian purposes

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:34 PM

7. Thank You Ellisonz!!!

Seriously....Thank you....

This is why I love DU!! I asked a serious question and got a real answer....As informed as many of us are, we cannot possibly always know a great deal about regions that are not discussed everyday in our media. Nor honestly how many of us could claim to know about Mali?

But what you presented here was a real bit of information that explained so much, changed my perspective and has led me to now want to seek more info and research.

Thanks!

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:05 PM

10. You're most welcome.

Thank you for being willing to look at this situation with an open mind.

Admittedly, the government of Mali has been far from perfect, it saw a military coup last spring and a subsequent return to the democratic path.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Malian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

And there are real grievances about political power between the sub-Saharan ethnic groups (largely Mande) and the Tuareg's. However, an end of democracy and the installation of an extremist Islamist government in Mali is not in the national, regional, or international interest.

As someone who followed the fall of Gaddafi very closely, I think it is safe to say that this is in a very real way a spin-off of Gaddafis divisive policies combined with Al Qaeda style extremism.

Is war the solution to Mali's problems? Of course not, but the rule of one group of a minority Islamic extremists over a more moderate majority is not just as that is what this has been heading toward. What precipitated this military intervention was an advance by the rebels past the line of control that has existed since last Spring.



Perhaps this all is in the global capitalist interest, but withdrawing from global capitalism like Somalia has or the Taliban attempted to is not a solution to the problems of capitalism.

And with that, back to football.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:41 PM

9. Seriously. This is one of the most straightforward cases of that in years.

Kind of annoying that there's probably going to be the standard kneejerking, a small pile of cheerleaders for the rebels, and claims that it's some kind of unilateral French imperial reconquest despite the fact that this is something the Security Council, ECOWAS, the African Union and the Malian government itself have all wanted to happen sooner rather than later.

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:16 PM

16. The Imperialism Card

 

was played in this thread--along with the corporate greed card.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:06 AM

13. You would really describe Mali...

 

as a "sovereign government" at this point?!

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:13 AM

14. By the standards of international law...

...yes. It is being governed by a transitional government, but it is viewed by the legitimate bodies of the international community as being the sovereign government. If that was not the case then why would the UN Security Council unanimously approve a resolution recognizing the "Transitional authorities."

Security Council paves way for possible intervention force in northern Mali

12 October 2012 – Citing the threat to regional peace from terrorists and Islamic militants in rebel-held northern Mali, the United Nations Security Council today held out the possibility of endorsing, within the next 45 days, an international military force to restore the unity of the West African country.

In a unanimously adopted resolution, the 15-member body called on Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to provide, at once, military and security planners to the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), the African Union (AU) and other partners to help frame a response to a request by Mali’s transitional authorities for such a force, and to report back within 45 days.

Upon receipt of the report, and acting under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, the Council said it was ready “to respond to the request of the Transitional authorities of Mali regarding an international military force assisting the Malian Armed Forces in recovering the occupied regions in the north of Mali.”

Chapter VII of the Charter allows the Council to use force in the face of a threat to peace or aggression, taking “such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security,” including blockades and other operations by the forces of Member States.

More: http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=43281&Cr=+mali+&Cr1=#.UPJQyIVGSCN


What would you call it?

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:12 AM

15. An unstable kleptocracy dominated by a racist military

 

increasingly beholden to foreign powers to prop up its corrupted state institutions. It is painfully naive to assume that France and England are bombing the place because they really, really care about Africans, "terrorism", or that emaciated fig leaf that masquerades as "international law".

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:19 PM

17. France and England care about their own security.

And yes, human rights too. Show me otherwise without making reference to events no longer in the immediate path.

Also, you say "terrorism" like that's not the case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_Organization_in_the_Islamic_Maghreb

Did you feel sympathy for Gaddafi too?

Are you denouncing the UN entirely?

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:56 PM

18. Ahhhhh, there it is!

 

I was wondering how long it would take for one of you fine fellows to just give up the facade of smug, pseudo-rational misinformationalyzing and just pick up a nice wet handful of slimy insinuations, and...

Did you feel sympathy for Gaddafi too?


...damn, that didn't take long at all, did it? I'll get back to you in a bit when I get home, but I just could not contain my elation at the predictability of some people.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:34 PM

19. Considering the events of the recent past - and the argument you're making - it's a valid question.

The direct support given in the past by the Gaddafi regime to these groups is well-publicized. Moreover, considering your stated anti-UN position ( ) - I have a very hard time taking seriously anything you have to say on this topic, and others should too. Gaddafi used the Tuaregs to advance his own imperial ambitions. Whatever grievances they have against the other tribes are hardly legitimately borne out through terrorism and extremism.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2012/0215/Did-Qaddafi-downfall-prompt-Mali-s-Tuareg-revolt

Their way - is the way of death and misery - they will find no redemption in its path.





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Response to Pachamama (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:39 PM

8. I guess you missed the part where the Malians requested their intervention. (nt)

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:53 AM

12. Mali did ask for help...

some here may not like it, but in many parts of the world Islam is rising in an ugly way. They only care about one thing- making every one believe the way they do. There is only one way to deal with them. We will have the same problem here one day, though it will probably be the rise of the evangelicals. Both groups are barbaric and shouldn't be underestimated.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:33 PM

3. Spam deleted by Behind the Aegis (MIR Team)

 

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Response to jgyjadsgf (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:39 PM

4. Okey Dokey....

Guess the Author of the thread can thank you for the kick???

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