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Sat Jan 12, 2013, 12:42 AM

Why Boeing's 787, the Dreamliner, is under review

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Source: AP

Boeing's 787 Dreamliner had a nightmare of a week, capped off Friday by the Federal Aviation Administration's decision to review everything about the new airplane, including its entire design and manufacturing process.

Government officials were quick to say that the jet is safe _ nearly 50 of them are in the skies. However, a fire Monday and a subsequent spate of technical problems stirred serious concerns.

None of the eight airlines using the plane plans to stop flying it during the government's inquiry, and passengers flying the 787 don't appear to be worried about their safety. But the extensive review raised a host of questions:

Read more: http://www.theeagle.com/news/nation/article_7a361ef8-920f-5ec6-8e40-8a05f5aec041.html



Q&A at the link.

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Reply Why Boeing's 787, the Dreamliner, is under review (Original post)
TexasTowelie Jan 2013 OP
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #1
Diclotican Jan 2013 #3
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #5
Diclotican Jan 2013 #7
davidpdx Jan 2013 #4
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #6
Diclotican Jan 2013 #8
davidpdx Jan 2013 #11
Diclotican Jan 2013 #14
Ghost Dog Jan 2013 #15
sendero Jan 2013 #16
cosmicone Jan 2013 #2
Populist_Prole Jan 2013 #9
DFW Jan 2013 #10
davidpdx Jan 2013 #12
BREMPRO Jan 2013 #13
Kaleva Jan 2013 #17

Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 12:56 AM

1. I dont know much about planes, but

A plane made of plastic??

I would never fly one. When I fly overseas I fly Airbus 380.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:37 AM

3. darkangel218

darkangel218

And there is no "Plastic" in the mighty A380?.... ca 42 percent of the aircraft if made up of advanced composite material - plastic if you want to make the beast light enough... So I guess you have to stuck with old DC10s for the future, if you doesn't want to fly in a aircraft who is full of "plastic"...

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:41 AM

5. Um.i.didnt know that :)

All I know Airbus 380.flies awesome, hardly even know you're flying!

I luv Lufthansa! <3

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:01 AM

7. darkangel218

darkangel218

Most people have no clue what materials their aircraft is made up on, so no need to feel bad about it, it is more about a nerdy thing to know what materials the aircraft is made up on.. Have never been flying the mighty A380, but it have been at Oslo ENGM sometimes - first time I saw it - was under 01L at Gardermoen, I was right under her path - and the aircraft was flying right over my car... It was, to put it bluntly, a impressive sight - not to say, how silent the aircraft is compared to other who is similar in size... The mighty Boeing 747-400 is loudly as hell compared to the A380 aircraft....

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:41 AM

4. The reason for the lighter material is they can flight farther on less fuel

From what I understand the two problems were with rechargeable battery packs and the cockpit windshield. The technology in rechargeable battery packs has gotten better, but overheating can be a problem (same with the ones in laptop computers). HP had a problem with that a few years back.

Airbus by the way is a European company backed by the France and GB.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:03 AM

8. davidpdx

davidpdx

France, GB, Germany, Spain, Portugal to name a few of them - and then a tonnes of other suppliers from all over the world.. It is a international build aircraft, who is partly build in France (Toulouse) and in Hamburg, where much of the interior is been made..

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:30 AM

11. If you are talking about Airbus, it is basically a European company


The Boeing 787's parts are also made in several countries. In fact that was one of the problems early on is they could had a tough time with parts not being to spec and being late.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:20 AM

14. davidpdx


davidpdx

Yes, I'm talking about the Airbus - who is made in many european nations - and basically is made in the whole of Europe, bit for bit
The company was in fact 40 year last year - on the ruins of the european aircraft industry (british, french italian and so one) a bigger, better company was made possible. And today Airbus is definitely coming out of the shadows of Boeing in their own right... They even have a double decker aircraft:

The 787 have had their share of problems with parts being late, and not be up to specks - something that have given the 787 a lot more trouble than needed.. I believe it to be a great aircraft when the growing pains is cleared out - but in the meantime it is a expensive aircraft for Boeing... And the 747-800 is not exactly selling great either to be honest..

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:48 AM

15. Airbus has a nicely-organised transport system:

... The A380’s size means its fuselage and wing sections are shipped via a surface transportation network that includes specially-commissioned roll-on roll-off ships to carry these sections from production sites in France, Germany, Spain and the United Kingdom to the French city of Bordeaux. From there, sections are transported by barge along the Garonne River to the Toulouse final assembly line.

As for other Airbus aircraft programmes, production of the A380 takes place in different sites across Europe. Each site produces completely equipped sections, which are transported to final assembly .

Most A380 sections are transported to Toulouse by sea, river and road. A number of smaller components, such as the vertical fin produced in Stade or the nose section produced in Meaulte, France, are carried in Airbus’ Beluga fleet... - http://www.airbus.com/company/aircraft-manufacture/how-is-an-aircraft-built/transport-of-major-aircraft-sections/




... Starting in Hamburg-Finkenwerder on the River Elbe, the ship loads the front and rear sections of the fuselage, from where they are shipped to the United Kingdom. The wings, which are manufactured at Filton in Bristol and Broughton, Flintshire in North Wales, are transported by barge to Mostyn docks, where the ship adds them to its cargo. In Saint-Nazaire in western France, the ship trades the fuselage sections from Hamburg for larger, assembled sections, some of which include the nose. The ship unloads in Bordeaux. Afterwards, the ship picks up the belly and tail sections by Construcciones Aeronáuticas SA in Cádiz in southern Spain, and delivers them to Bordeaux. From there, the A380 parts are transported by barge to Langon, and by the oversize road convoys of the Itinéraire à Grand Gabarit from there to the assembly hall in Toulouse.

After assembly, the aircraft are flown to Hamburg Finkenwerder Airport (XFW) to be furnished and painted... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ville_de_Bordeaux



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itin%C3%A9raire_%C3%A0_Grand_Gabarit

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:15 AM

16. carbon fiber..

.. is not plastic.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:04 AM

2. Perhaps due to scab labor in looney SC? n/t

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:04 AM

9. +1

That and their absolute determination to become a virtual manufacturer; more or less a design bureau that subs everything out.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:30 AM

10. Airbus buys over 40% of their parts in the USA

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Response to DFW (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:33 AM

12. If it's true, it has nothing with touting the use of American parts

but more or less that those parts they need are made by American companies. Airbus is essentially a European conglomerate funded by EU nations.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:50 AM

13. i flew on from Seattle to Tokyo...

If u haven't flown japanese or korean airlines before get ready for a treat- gourmet meals, fabulous service and amenities, beautiful spacious luxurious interior, very comfortable, BUT with this new plane- bumpy ride from turbulents and swaying landing along with a toilet that kept wanting to flush (5 times while i was just standing at the sink!) made me wonder if the plane had some design or construction flaws.. this was before all the news came out about problems. The proportions of the plane seem out of balance to me, HUGE engines, and proportionally very small light wings, the lightness of the plane made it seem susceptible to wind and when we landed it was swaying from side to side quite noticeably.. actually made me nervous.. i think there may be some serious concerns about this plane.. i wonder how many times they tested the prototype in real conditions before releasing them, already 3 years behind schedule, and not this series of incidents, fires, malfunctions etc... Idk about that but i do know the plane is very comfortable to fly, but seemed flawed to me.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:55 AM

17. Locking

Duplicate. Please continue discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014364585

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