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Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:32 AM

"Burn the Houses Down with the Cops and Their Families Inside"

Source: Salon.com

“We have a plan: We’re going to go to the houses of local cops and burn the houses down with the cops and their families inside,” Schaeffer Cox reportedly said in August 2010, months before he would be arrested for plotting to kidnap and kill federal officials — and just a few years before he would be convicted and sentenced to almost 26 years in prison.

Cox’s sentence came down earlier this week, as part of the trial of Alaska Peacemaker Militia members, a right-wing group that was plotting to stockpile illegal weapons and take violent action against the government.

When Cox spoke of his plan in 2010, it was to Bill Fulton, an Army veteran and the owner of DropZone Security, an Anchorage, Alaska, Army surplus store that doubled as a bail bonds agency and tripled as a private security company. Fulton also happened to be working as an informant for the FBI. In an interview, Fulton described to Salon how he infiltrated the twisty world of Alaska’s right-wing movement, passed along information to federal agents, and even got involved in a minor political scandal related to his security work for then-senatorial candidate Joe Miller.



Read more: http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/burn_the_houses_down_with_the_cops_and_their_families_inside/



"Peace-maker" militia, indeed!

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Reply "Burn the Houses Down with the Cops and Their Families Inside" (Original post)
cer7711 Jan 2013 OP
Scuba Jan 2013 #1
primavera Jan 2013 #3
MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #4
AllyCat Jan 2013 #2
Tempest Jan 2013 #6
AllyCat Jan 2013 #7
Tempest Jan 2013 #8
Bill Fulton Jan 2013 #11
Tempest Jan 2013 #16
Bill Fulton Jan 2013 #33
hatrack Jan 2013 #17
AlbertCat Jan 2013 #23
Agschmid Jan 2013 #28
Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #30
Agschmid Jan 2013 #31
UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #29
Bill Fulton Jan 2013 #32
redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #5
rbixby Jan 2013 #9
Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #10
formercia Jan 2013 #12
Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #14
karpool Jan 2013 #13
marble falls Jan 2013 #15
patrice Jan 2013 #18
patrice Jan 2013 #19
samsingh Jan 2013 #20
patrice Jan 2013 #21
samsingh Jan 2013 #22
KG Jan 2013 #24
Cracklin Charlie Jan 2013 #26
Bill Fulton Jan 2013 #35
shenmue Jan 2013 #25
geomon666 Jan 2013 #27
ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #34

Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:51 AM

1. Finally, a "well regulated militia".

Regulated straight into the Graybar Hotel.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:02 PM

3. No doubt what the framers had in mind...

... when, according to Mad Dog Scalia and the gun nut community, they concluded that every Tom, Dick, and Harry should be allowed to own guns.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:03 PM

4. HA!

And here's one internet hi-5 for you!

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:54 AM

2. Thank goodness there are people like Fulton.

Brave and clever man working for the safety of all. These right-wingers are just buckets of nuts.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:13 PM

6. He became a snitch to save his own butt.

Fulton had his own legal troubles at the time and now they've gone away.

As a former resident of Alaska, I followed the case closely. Fulton is no angel and was under investigation for illegal arms sales.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:21 PM

7. Ugh. Sorry. Had no clue. Sounded like a spy-story infiltration

Well. This fringe group is exposed (sort of). Wonder how many are out there still?

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:29 PM

8. At least one more in Alaska operating out of Fairbanks.

But they only have a few members and stay low key.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:58 PM

11. Really and what were those

I wasn't ever under investigation for arms sales and never was suspected of any crime. You sir have been reading way to many blog post.

I dont have to stay quiet any more and will not tolerate people with no idea of the facts of this case soiling my reputation any further. I gave up my life because my country asked me to I received nothing for it to this day I have yet to be reimbursed fully for my out of pocket costs you sir should be ashamed of your self.

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Response to Bill Fulton (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:42 PM

16. I stand by what my contacts at DHS have told me

"It's an unusual position for the man who until now had made his career chasing bail jumpers, selling weapons and military surplus goods, protecting politicians, and once, handcuffing a journalist at a public gathering for a political candidate."

Yeah, you're such a good American you attempted to arrest and had kicked out a media person from a PUBLIC EVENT.


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Response to Tempest (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:01 PM

33. Public Event my ass

Really if you rent a facility and allow the public in do you no longer have control of that facility? There seems to be quite a bit of misunderstanding on this point Alaska law is clear if you lease a property it becomes your "private property" till the end of the lease. If I own a lease to a premises and ask you to leave and you don't by Alaska law your trespassing whats so hard to understand on this? I could try to explain it to you in smaller words if that helps ............

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Response to Bill Fulton (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:57 PM

17. Sure, "Bill Fulton", no problem . . .

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Response to hatrack (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:46 PM

23. Sure, "Bill Fulton", no problem . . .

I wonder if the real Bill Fulton knows how to punctuate a sentence....

This one doesn't.

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Response to Bill Fulton (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:25 AM

28. So did anyone already alert on this? And if so what's up with it? n/t

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:33 AM

30. Why would anyone alert on a person defending his reputation?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #30)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:05 AM

31. see post 11. n/t

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Response to Bill Fulton (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:12 AM

29. Come back, Bill.

 

I was just getting interested.


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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:56 PM

32. Well I would

but I have no way of defending myself against anonymous supper best friend guy who works for DHS, and counters not only my testimony but that of multiple FBI agents and others at the trial. Add to that the english majors, sorry I suck at writing folks lets hope the book is written by a writer and not me.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:07 PM

5. Truly Terrifying!

We had a neighbor once, years ago who is now in prison. The police and ATF pulled up one day, opened his garage which we had never seen open and it was packed to the rafters with guns, ammo he even had a grenade launcher! We never suspected, he seemed pretty tame, just quiet and to himself.

I think there are more of these now than 20 years ago!

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:30 PM

9. I like how Olson rolled over on his friends as soon as he was implicated

Shows how much dedication they all have to their cause, eh?

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Response to rbixby (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:52 PM

10. It's like those who claim torture works would be the first to crack.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:06 PM

12. J. Edgar Hoover had the best method:

Whenever he had a problem with someone in Congress, he would have one of his Agents deliver a copy of said person's Dossier to their office and lay it in front of them. Hoover kept Dirt on everyone of any importance. It worked like a charm. That's probably what they did with this Gun Dealer. One peek and he flipped. It's pretty tough to say no when looking at the rest of one's life in Federal Prison. I can just imagine him trying to restrain his Bowels as he mulled it over.
These Reich-Wanker Militiamen act tough, but they would probably turn their own Mother in for a Snickers Bar.

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Response to formercia (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:19 PM

14. That classic move by J. Edgar was recreated in "The Matrix"....

....when Agent Smith puts down this really overstuffed file on the table.



Helps to actually get the thing open...

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:14 PM

13. Interesting story

 

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:42 PM

15. Betcha 'Crazy' Joe Miller is sweating 'bullets'.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:03 PM

18. Guy was apparently one of those there exceptions in American Exceptionalism. nt

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:04 PM

19. Everyone probably recalls how a SECESSIONIST party bragged about putting Palin in office in AK.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:16 PM

20. to me this is what the nra stands for

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Response to samsingh (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:23 PM

21. Plausible Deniability is a highly marketable commodity. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:32 PM

22. yes

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:50 PM

24. this guy associated with Todd Palin and the secessionist dweebs?

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Response to KG (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:16 PM

26. Quite likely. n/t

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Response to KG (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:09 PM

35. Yes kind of and No

The Alaska Independence Party (i.e. secessionist dweebs) is the third largest political party in the state they have all the rights of the main parties. Primary ballots, space on the final ballot, end up in most of the debates etc etc. Schaeffer believed in the country of Schaeffer not the country of Alaska as those folks think.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:12 PM

25. Wow

It just scares you to see what oddballs are out there.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:04 PM

27. Alaska Peacemaker Militia

A right-wing group that was plotting to stockpile illegal weapons and take violent action against the government.

You can't make this shit up.

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Response to cer7711 (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:03 PM

34. Life is hard enough, why do we feel compelled to hurt each other? nt

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