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Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:23 PM

CA School Teacher Talked Shooter Into Surrender

Source: TPM



IGOR BOBIC 3:43 PM EST, THURSDAY JANUARY 10, 2013

A Taft, Calif., school teacher and a campus supervisor talked a shooter into surrender on Thursday, the AP reports. At least two people were shot and the suspect is reportedly in custody.

Authorities described the shooter as a 16-year-old student who attended the high school. He was armed with a 12 gauge shotgun.



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Reply CA School Teacher Talked Shooter Into Surrender (Original post)
DonViejo Jan 2013 OP
oldhippydude Jan 2013 #1
joeglow3 Jan 2013 #3
Tempest Jan 2013 #4
joeglow3 Jan 2013 #29
samsingh Jan 2013 #2
ck4829 Jan 2013 #5
CountAllVotes Jan 2013 #12
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #13
Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #20
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #21
Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #22
onehandle Jan 2013 #6
Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #7
CanSocDem Jan 2013 #30
Downwinder Jan 2013 #8
Cha Jan 2013 #9
riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #11
fleur-de-lisa Jan 2013 #15
frylock Jan 2013 #10
reteachinwi Jan 2013 #14
marshall Jan 2013 #16
reteachinwi Jan 2013 #17
ancianita Jan 2013 #23
Dems to Win Jan 2013 #18
ancianita Jan 2013 #24
grantcart Jan 2013 #19
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #25
grantcart Jan 2013 #31
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #32
Hekate Jan 2013 #26
Kolesar Jan 2013 #27
HockeyMom Jan 2013 #28

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:34 PM

1. there's only one way to stop a bad guy with a gun....

no wait...

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Response to oldhippydude (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:46 PM

3. You try that while I run away.

Thanks

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:54 PM

4. Your more likely to take one in the back

A lot of the students shot at Columbine were shot in the back.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:14 AM

29. Probably. Because the person trying to talk to them would have been shot in about 3 seconds

That was exactly my point. Thanks.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:43 PM

2. wow, more proof that the gun lobby lies through their stinking teeth

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:03 PM

5. Not everyone has a gun, but almost everyone has a voice

We should start using that more.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:25 PM

12. +3,500,000,000

One vote for every American.



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Response to ck4829 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:39 PM

13. Why can't I rec individual posts?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:33 AM

20. 'cause you don'tt believe in Gawwwwwwwwwwwwwd

 

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Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:50 AM

21. Daaaaaamn son

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:52 AM

22. ;-)

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:06 PM

6. Gun Nuttery would have preferred that the NRA armed teacher had blown the kid away. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:15 PM

7. Two people of real character dealt honestly, courageously with the problem.

How amazing.

The make the world look worthwhile for the moment.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:51 AM

30. I would say three people...


...to include the shooter, described by his tutor as "like a genius". Smart enough to vent his rage at a specific target that he saw as a personal threat. Unfortunately, living in a culture that celebrates "bullying" and promotes religiously the number one tool of the bully, a firearm, the only rational response was within easy reach.

And how fortuitous that the schools 'armed guard' who would have undoubtedly ended it all 'differently', was absent because of freak weather.

All around good work to further the discussion....

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/city-official-says-shooting-reported-high-school-taft-calif


He in fact told the teacher, 'I don't want to shoot you,' and named the person that he wanted to shoot," Youngblood said.
Trish Montes, who lived next door to the suspect, said he was "a short guy" and "small" who was teased about his stature by many, including the victim.

"Maybe people will learn not to bully people," Montes said. "I hate to be crappy about it, but that kid was bullying him."

Montes said her son had worked at the school and tutored the boy last year, sometimes walking with him between classes because he felt sorry for him.

"All I ever heard about him was good things from my son," Montes said. "He wasn't Mr. Popularity, but he was a smart kid. It's a shame. My kid said he was like a genius. It's a shame because he could have made something of himself."



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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:27 PM

8. Teachers should get hazardous duty pay.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:44 PM

9. They really should.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:53 PM

11. Yes those overpaid union thug teachers!




Sorry my sadness factor at the shitty deal these teachers have been getting for the past few years, and now they have to face this kind of horrifying scenario just makes my heart ache.

Those poor teachers. The poor kids.

What a mess.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:18 PM

15. Agreed, but I would be happy . . .

if they were just paid a decent wage.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:52 PM

10. at gunpoint, right?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:52 PM

14. One way to stop a bad guy with a gun

 

compassion, and wisdom.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:25 PM

16. One hopes that all bad guys can be stopped with a little compassion

How different the world might be if a compassionate teacher had taken a 16 year old Adolph Hitler under her or his wings. Teachers can change the world.

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Response to marshall (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:45 PM

17. Probably not

 

I prefer it to the NRA's solution.

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Response to marshall (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:07 AM

23. Adolph got rejected from art school, but it was a stupid, unempathic administrator who did it, and

that's why he took the path toward...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:27 AM

18. I seriously think a teacher in every gun shop is a GREAT idea. Hats off to teachers.

If you are a teacher and you are reading this, know you have my full honor and respect.

I want to bow down to the teachers in Taft. Such an example of compassion and reason and people skills saving the day. I wish I had such skills.

Hope the injured student recovers fully.

Seriously, a teacher in every gun shop, teaching about the dangers of guns in the home. NRA funded, of course. We need to make it happen, for realz.

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:11 AM

24. And @ every table of local gun shows.They should get their principal's hourly rate for either place.

Since they are also doing the principals' job of keeping the public's children safe and secure.

Better yet, make every PRINCIPAL do overtime at gun shops and shows. That would be the more appropriate change of duties, and would better justify their salaries. They need to stop making excuses to the public about their entry and ID security systems.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:31 AM

19. If the shooter had an assault weapon there would have been no teacher and a room full of


students for the morgue.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:12 AM

25. Out of curiousity, what makes you say that?

Was the shotgun out of ammo?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:18 PM

31. It discharged and wasn't very lethal was it.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:52 PM

32. Well, they don't aim themselves.

And clearly he stopped firing, electively. The teacher was able to talk him out of it, which means he stopped firing, period.

Shotguns are extremely lethal when used with lethal intent and some level of competence. It appears that in this case, we got lucky that 'his heart wasn't in it', so to speak.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:46 AM

26. You mean they didn't have to whip the AR-whatever off the rack behind their desk...

... and shred the kid?

Oy.

Very gutsy, and I am so glad for all that it worked.

A friend of mine once held an intruder with her voice alone while she called the Sheriff. "Sit! Right! There!" Now, I am not recommending this for the average person, male or female, but occasionally this kind of thing can work -- especially if the intruder is not carrying something that sprays bullets multiple times a second.

Just sayin.'

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:57 AM

27. Let's put 60 seconds on the clock and see how many NRA talking points our gun-bots can put up...eom

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:44 AM

28. Police would not have stopped a STUDENT at the school

Just like Columbine. They could just hide a gun in a backpack or under a long coat and who would know? It's not like an armed stranger shooting their way in like Sandy Hook.

Metal detectors might be a solution to this, but most people don't like that idea at all.

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