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Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:48 AM

India Gang Rape Suspects Blame Victim for Being Out 'on the Streets at Night'

Source: The Atlantic Wire

ALEXANDER ABAD-SANTOS 9:27 AM ET

Three men who police say brutally raped 23-year-old Jyoti Singh Pandey on a bus in New Delhi after which one of them allegedly tried to run her over with it will plead not guilty to charges of rape and murder. The men will, apparently, blame pretty much every gross thing you've heard about them on Indian cops, the victim, and her boyfriend. "Until today I have not seen a single incident or example of rape with a respected lady," says, Manohar Lal Sharma, the lawyer for the attorney representing the bus driver, his brother, and another man on the bus, in Andrew MacAskill's report for Bloomberg. "Even an underworld don would not like to touch a girl with respect."

In the eyes of the defense, then, what is supposed to define respect? "Sharma said the male companion of the murdered 23-year-old was 'wholly responsible' for the incident as the unmarried couple should not have been on the streets at night," MacAskill reported. "We are only hearing what the police are saying. This is manipulated evidence. It's all on the basis of hearsay and presumption," Sthe lawyeharma told Reuters.

But doctors in Singapore said that Pandey, unnamed at the time, suffered abdominal injuries so severe that she needed three abdominal surgeries and eventually died from injuries sustained from her attack. And Pandey's boyfriend, who was with her on the bus, gave an interview to an Indian television station on January 4 and described the attack (via the AP):

"I gave a tough fight to three of them. I punched them hard. But then two others hit me with an iron rod," he said. The woman tried to call the police using her mobile phone, but the men took it away from her, he said. They then took her to the rear seats of the bus and raped her.

"The attack was so brutal I can't even tell you ... even animals don't behave like that," the man said.


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Read more: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/01/india-gang-rape-suspects-blame-victim-being-out-streets-night/60756/

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Reply India Gang Rape Suspects Blame Victim for Being Out 'on the Streets at Night' (Original post)
DonViejo Jan 2013 OP
niyad Jan 2013 #1
SemperEadem Jan 2013 #3
Scairp Jan 2013 #16
niyad Jan 2013 #17
SemperEadem Jan 2013 #2
niyad Jan 2013 #5
riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #4
lunatica Jan 2013 #6
DetlefK Jan 2013 #7
juajen Jan 2013 #8
Solly Mack Jan 2013 #9
Skittles Jan 2013 #10
Dont call me Shirley Jan 2013 #11
historylovr Jan 2013 #12
alp227 Jan 2013 #13
niyad Jan 2013 #18
Ken Burch Jan 2013 #14
Jennicut Jan 2013 #15
niyad Jan 2013 #19
DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #20
NickB79 Jan 2013 #21

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:14 AM

1. this woman-hating bastard is a prime example of a discussion here on DU yesterday

(thank you, seabeyond, for this excellent post, "the patriarchal utility of the threat of rape")

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022154026

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Response to niyad (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:15 AM

3. quite so...

it just never ends...

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Response to niyad (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:04 AM

16. Well we knew this was coming

What else do you expect from a misogynist society like India? And probably a lot of Indians will agree with this line of defense. The blaming of the victim is all they have, after all. I'm sure it won't fly but only serves to heap more agony on the family of the victim. They and their attorney are pigs and I hope the courts end up making them squeal for their lives.

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Response to Scairp (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:11 AM

17. it isn't any different than the defense of rapists in this country, with practically the same words

and certainly the same mentality. look at some of the comments about the young victim in steubenville, for example. there is just as much misogyny here, see the o-reilly comment below.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:15 AM

2. I still fail to understand

why respectable men are out on the streets at night, too. I mean, that is the backhanded inference here. Why are respectable people, period, out on the street at night, if just being out makes them complicit in the lack of control demonstrated by vicious animals--and what do you do with mad animals? You kill them.

A respectable man would not have raped the woman in the first place. So therefore, the lawyer is pretty much saying that his clients aren't respectable men--and if that's the case, then perhaps they do need to be removed from society.

The government needs to come down hard on this.. or face sanctions.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:20 AM

5. according to that scum lawyer, they never would have done anything if only the woman

had not been out. despite the fact that, clearly, they had planned it for SOMEONE--curtained, lights out, etc.

typical lawyer defense, but this needs to stop.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:15 AM

4. Reccing for more exposure, not because I agree with these repulsive comments/attitude.

Patriarchy on steroids. Despicable.



Said essentially the same thing on the other (duplicate) thread but not sure which one gets locked so decided to make sure I said my piece on BOTH.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:26 AM

6. Yeah, that'll fly

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:45 AM

7. By that logic...

They raped her, because she was out at night.
But that qualifier fits to many women.
Accordingly, they will rape any women they will meet by night on the street.

A lawyer shouldn't say that his client belongs in jail...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:58 PM

8. They are not human. I hope they are raped to death.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:05 PM

9. Sick fucks

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:22 PM

10. and he speaks like this in public?

imagine what he REALLY thinks

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 04:00 PM

11. Couldn't possibly be the rapists inability to control their own actions?!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:22 PM

12. 'Xcuse me, Mr. Sharma, but it's your clients

who aren't respectable. They're the ones who shouldn't have been out on the streets at night, looking for a victim. They make me sick. The death penalty is too good for them. Scum sucking pigs.

That poor woman.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:07 AM

13. The Indian rapists could easily be fans of American hate radio or Fox News.

"She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning." --Bill O'Reilly on NYC rape victim Jennifer Moore in 2006.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:14 AM

18. I had forgotten about that hate-filled comment. thanks for the reminder.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:01 AM

14. K&R so that more people can see this insanity. n/t.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:29 AM

15. The details of this are so horrific.

These pigs disgust me. They deserve nothing less then life in prison.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:36 PM

19. . . .

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:57 PM

20. If it wasn't bad enough before: Indian gang-rape case states that the attackers made plans...

Caution: some extreme violence reported at the link.

The police report in the Indian gang-rape case states that the attackers made plans earlier in the evening to find a victim to rape and kill: http://news.msn.com/world/police-say-india-rape-suspects-hunted-victim

NEW DELHI The gang of men charged with the rape and murder of an Indian physiotherapy student deliberately tried to find a woman to rape and kill and ended the night with blood on their clothes, a police report seen by Reuters said.

Five men, along with a teenager who says he is under 18, gathered for dinner at a dwelling in a south Delhi slum on the evening of Dec. 16 and there hatched the plot to find a target, according to the dossier given to court by the prosecution.

The accused "decided ahead of time" they would look for a woman and "intended to kill her." the police report claims.

The file, which runs to more than 600 pages, contains the prosecution's evidence in the case, which it describes as including forensic evidence against the men, along with confessions, witness statements and medical reports


The defense attorneys question the investigation and have not yet responded to the documents.

Words fail.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:02 PM

21. So they couldn't control themselves?

EI you're no more than your animal instincts? Fine, then you should be treated the same way we treat dogs that can't control their instincts: cut off their balls.

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