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Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:02 AM

 

70-year-old man marries 15-year-old in Saudi Arabia

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Source: CNN

(CNN) -- A 70-year-old man in Saudi Arabia is disputing claims his new bride is 15 years old, and says her family has ripped him off for the large dowry he paid for the union.

Human rights workers say the bride is a teenager and are outraged about the situation.

CNN interviewed the man Tuesday, who said he paid a dowry to the girl's parents for the equivalent of $20,000. The marriage came to light when the man complained to a local official after his new wife left him, saying the girl's family had taken her back and he'd been ripped off. He also claimed that he thought she was 25 years old.

He refused to provide his name to CNN.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/08/world/saudi-arabia-teen-marriage/index.html



Just goes to show how backwards the Saudis are: This kind of thing happens in Kansas all the time!

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Reply 70-year-old man marries 15-year-old in Saudi Arabia (Original post)
Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 OP
JI7 Jan 2013 #1
cosmicone Jan 2013 #3
joealexander Jan 2013 #6
RevStPatrick Jan 2013 #8
Throckmorton Jan 2013 #7
NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #23
happyslug Jan 2013 #13
TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #17
leftynyc Jan 2013 #2
CanonRay Jan 2013 #10
MrYikes Jan 2013 #4
leftynyc Jan 2013 #5
bubbayugga Jan 2013 #9
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #11
Odin2005 Jan 2013 #12
SoapBox Jan 2013 #14
Ash_F Jan 2013 #15
camotim Jan 2013 #16
TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #19
Rozlee Jan 2013 #21
JoeyT Jan 2013 #22
ButterflyBlood Jan 2013 #18
kickysnana Jan 2013 #20
azurnoir Jan 2013 #24
Rhiannon12866 Jan 2013 #25

Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:14 AM

1. in a civilized world the fucker would be put in prison

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Response to JI7 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:08 AM

3. It would be legal in Indiana and a couple of states

where age of consent is 14.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:37 AM

6. ummm

I hope you mean India because Indiana's consent laws are prettty much the same as most of those in the US.

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Response to joealexander (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:05 AM

8. According to Wikipedia...

 

"...the absolute minimum marriageable age in Indiana is 15..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Indiana

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:58 AM

7. In Connecticut it could be legal,

14 year olds can marry, but they need a signed consent from one parent, and a Judge of Probate.
At age 16, the marrying party needs one or the other, parent or Judge.

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Response to Throckmorton (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:07 PM

23. Yep. Pretty much the same here in NY.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:11 AM

13. Pennsylvania ruled its age of consent was 12 in the late 1990s

It was involving Common Law Marriages, which were valid marriages in Pennsylvania at that time (Pennsylvania abolished Common Law Marriages in 2005, but anyone who entered into one prior to that date, that marriage is still Valid).

The PA Supreme Court ruled that since the State Legislature had NEVER put any restrictions on Common Law Marriages, the Common Law rules as to when a person could married was still the Law in Pennsylvania when it came to Common Law marriage and that age was 12 and such a 12 year old did NOT need any parent's permission to enter into the Common Law Marriage

The Case involved a teacher who was having sex with his 12 year old student, his defense was they were married and it is legal for a married couple to have sex. The 12 year old agreed that they had exchanged marriages vows, which all that was needed in Pennsylvania to have a Valid Common Law Marriage. The case went all the way to the State Supreme Court, which found that it was a valid marriage and as such any sex between the two was legal.

At least one Court in Colorado had taken notice of the above Pennsylvania Case and commented that the rule would be the same in Colorado. To my knowledge Colorado and the other remaining states which retain Common Law Marriages have NOT change their laws as to the entrance of Common Law Marriages. Thus they are states in the US where the age to enter a valid Marriage is age 12, even if the laws in that state require you to be over 18 or have your parent's permission to enter into a ceremonial marriage.

Side Note: Prior to the Council of Trent in the 1560s, almost all marriages in Europe would be what we call "Common Law" for it is when two people exchanged vows, nothing else was required to have a valid marriage. This would commonly be done on the Village's churches steps in the presence of most of the Village and then the couple would enter the Church to have the Marriage blessed. In the Council of Trent, the Catholic Church ruled that the only valid marriage were one done in a Ceremony, and this rule was adopted within a few years by the Catholic Nations of Europe, most Protestant Nations followed in the 1600s, England as to England itself in 1732 (This delay is remarkable, given that one of the objections the Protestants had with the Catholic Church, was its failure to require all marriages to occur in church).

The English law did NOT apply outside England and Wales and thus the American Colonies all retained Common Law Marriage at the time of Independence. Most state subsequent abolished it, for Common Law Marriage interfered with the issue of who inherited what from whom (and this was the main reason it was abolished, to clear up inheritance laws by clearly defending who was the product of a valid marriage and thus legitimate). Remember a Common Law Marriage, entered into in a State that retains Common Law Marriage is a valid a marriage as any entered into by a Ceremony or a marriage license. If you want to end a Valid Common Law Marriage, you have to get a divorce, like any other marriage.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:50 AM

17. No in a civilised world. These practices would be left...

 

...to die a natural death. Just as they did in the United states over the first 75 years or so of the 20th Century. And here in Australia too for that matter.

As they are slowly going out of fashion in India.

Being too judgmental/confrontational does no one any favours. Least of all those we are painting (deservedly or not) as victims.

Yes things can get extremely horrific, but lest we forget, "scientific" clitoridectomies were being performed in late Victorian times to keep the wives of the upper crust from straying and muddying inheritances. You might stick that in your Downton Abbey and smoke it.

North Korea as a seemingly batshit crazy exception, that region really has pretty much "normalised" over the past 20-30 years. And it all happened when outsiders STOPPED interferring.

With The Taliban, and (Afghani's in general) it's become sheer bloody minded intransigence. Anything the US wants it WILL deliver the opposite. Anything ANYONE wanted for the last 1600 years or more, the locals have oposed with granitic obdurateness.
Yet even so. 9n% of Afghani husbands are mostly decent, perhapse occasionally a bit "grubby" and backward; but because anything anti-American is good, the (10-n)% who are incorrigable wife/spouse/child beaters feel entirely free to openly flaunt their cowardly practice.


In my Great Grandmother's generation, the femenist argument of the day was personhood, for women, AND in a limited sense for children, which previously counted as livestock, if they were counted at all;

In my grandmother's and mother's generations the argument was about chatellehood. A form of non-transferable ownership of women and children by husband or father;

In mine we formalised the no blame divorce and converged on 18 years of age as the "age of majority" and marriagability. Twenty-one for drinking a welcome exception.

In this current generation it is rape. If we're honest with ourselves most of us of earlier generations will have "heard the rumours" (and nearly all of us will have witnessed or even participated in the first two line items.):
  • The dacking/pantsing of some poor kid in front of several of his or her peers;
  • Games called "soggy biscuit" for the boys and "pencil" for the girls. Postman's knock, spin the bottle and seven minutes that sometimes got a little pushy/peer pressured;
  • Of the cheerleader and the team, and the darker rumour, that she was not quite so "up to it" as the boys said; and
  • At the furthest extreme we have a corpse, multiple participants, dozens of witnesses, and the only conviction is the stereotypical stupid fat kid. Leigh Leigh murder


Stubenville, is in some ways the lancing of a boil. Finally an open acknowledgement of what that mysterious EVERYONE has "known for years".

Let's hope that it's the start of a trend and not just a brief stab of conscience.

In the same sense. Let's hope Sandy Hook is the lancing of another boil that has needed tending to for far too long.

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Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:47 AM

2. Blech

Her parents should join him in prison. Can't wait for that culture to experience their renaissance. Women are in a virtual state of slavery.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:30 AM

10. That won't happen until they throw the Wahabbi Imams into the sea.

along with the morality police and most of the males in the country.

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Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:13 AM

4. What's the name of the guy that owns Playboy?

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Response to MrYikes (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:26 AM

5. Hugh Heffner. Why? (n/t)

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Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:07 AM

9. yeah. That's called leaglized child rape for rich fuckers who can buy whatever they want.

 

fucking disgusting.

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Response to bubbayugga (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:31 AM

11. Legal only in as much

there is no age of consent in Saudi as a simple search will confirm.

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Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:33 AM

14. ...idiots.

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Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:40 AM

15. Our ally /nt

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Response to camotim (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:05 AM

19. What's a Hillbilly virgin? A girl who can run faster than her brothers.

 

Ha. Ha. Very funny. Really! Not so long ago. And why? Because it was a joke that skated close enough to the truth as to be sometimes indistinguishable from it.

Of course there were other jokes of increasing tastelessness. Just as there were and allways are with any number of subjects. Dark jokes of paedophilia amongst clergy and teachers long predated any serious convictions.

Stones and glass houses and all that.

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:57 AM

21. My daughter-in-law is from WV and her great-grandmother married at 13.

I don't know if that was the legal age of consent in WV back then or if county clerks were rigid about seeing proof of age. Hey, for all I know they went into Delaware where the age of consent was SEVEN! My own great-grandmother was 12 when she married a 36 year-old widower with 6 kids and she gave him 8 more before she died at 29 from a tooth infection. That was in Mexico. Here in Texas, our age of consent was 10 until the middle of the last century when we increased it. Don't know to what. Twelve maybe. But, the Women's Suffrage Movement originally started from organizations of women trying to introduce legislation to increase the age of consent.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:49 PM

22. Sounds about right.

Pretty much everyone from a deeply rural area has at least one grandmother or great grandmother that was married at 12 or 13. Almost all of them had 10 or 12 kids.

Adds even more of a yuck factor for all the people pinin' away for the old days.

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Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:00 AM

18. Following in Mohammed's footsteps I see

Well actually one of Mohammed's brides was even younger.

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Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:53 AM

20. When I was 15 I was a mean, quick, bundle of angst. I didn't even want to be around me. n/t

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Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:04 PM

24. It happens in the US more than is commonly known

in the Hmong community it's called Hmong traditional marriage the girls are usually 12-15 years old and men are around 30-40 the marriages obviously are not done legally according to MN law, but it happens and oh I was first alerted to this by a Muslim man I worked with (he was a lab tech) at a clinic I was working at he was livid about saying that it was tantamount to slavery and child abuse and he's right it is the girls are expected to start producing children and it's hard to prosecute too because the community is quite closed but thankfully as time goes on it is becoming less common as parents are more Americanized

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Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:43 PM

25. Locking, sorry, but this is not late breaking news.

Thanks for your understanding.

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