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Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:45 AM

Indian guru says victim 'as guilty as her rapists'

Source: tv new zealand

Asaram Bapu said that the victim, whose fate has drawn the sympathy of the world and been treated as a national tragedy within India, was "as guilty as her rapists".

He added that she should have been more friendly to her attackers if she wanted to preserve her own life, Britain's The Daily Mail reported.

"Only five to six people are not the culprits," Bapu was quoted as saying. "The victim is as guilty as her rapists.

"She should have called the culprits brothers and begged before them to stop."

A spokesman for the leader denied that he had been insensitive about the woman's death, but added: "If she would have taken God's name or recited a mantra God inside her might have suggested her to how to avoid such crimes."

The guru abandoned his family as a young man to live in an ashram and practice meditation, before starting up his own his own ashram in Ahmedabad, The Daily Mail reported.

Read more: http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/indian-guru-says-victim-guilty-her-rapists-5313931

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Reply Indian guru says victim 'as guilty as her rapists' (Original post)
JI7 Jan 2013 OP
BVictor1 Jan 2013 #1
adieu Jan 2013 #2
jsr Jan 2013 #3
SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #13
olddad56 Jan 2013 #36
Skittles Jan 2013 #4
Lil Missy Jan 2013 #5
Kurovski Jan 2013 #6
WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #7
PoliticalPizza Jan 2013 #8
cosmicone Jan 2013 #9
SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #14
struggle4progress Jan 2013 #27
SemperEadem Jan 2013 #29
cosmicone Jan 2013 #38
colorado_ufo Jan 2013 #10
tclambert Jan 2013 #11
lunatica Jan 2013 #12
SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #16
lunatica Jan 2013 #17
SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #18
SemperEadem Jan 2013 #30
slackmaster Jan 2013 #15
CanonRay Jan 2013 #19
HisTomness Jan 2013 #20
Tagish_Charlie Jan 2013 #21
Odin2005 Jan 2013 #22
struggle4progress Jan 2013 #23
struggle4progress Jan 2013 #24
struggle4progress Jan 2013 #25
struggle4progress Jan 2013 #26
SemperEadem Jan 2013 #31
JI7 Jan 2013 #35
SemperEadem Jan 2013 #28
Mister Ed Jan 2013 #41
Hekate Jan 2013 #32
Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2013 #33
BigDemVoter Jan 2013 #34
olddad56 Jan 2013 #37
Mister Ed Jan 2013 #40
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #39

Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:55 AM

1. At first I thought this was an article about Todd Akin.

 

Republicans will embrace this man.

This is the same type of attitude and mentality that they themselves hold.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:58 AM

2. Hey, you know

five out of six people enjoy gang rapes.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:58 AM

3. The world would be a far better place without this Indian guru.

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Response to jsr (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:37 AM

13. NO, the world would be a better place without...

RELIGION!

...IMHO.

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 04:04 PM

36. I think that there would be a lot more people who are in tune with their own spirituality...

if we had no organized religion.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:23 AM

4. sick

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:26 AM

5. Of course she should have been more friendly to men who wanted to rape her.

The scary part is that people believe such bullshit.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:47 AM

6. "shoulda, woulda, coulda"

There's no bullshit that's sweeter to shit eaters than the bullshit backed up by religion.

Gays, gals, guns, beatin's and treatin's, slavery and slavering, all so annoyingly repressed, contested or promoted in some big poohba's name, promoted with old-timey power approved by ye gawds.

Can we move on, please?

Please God, please?!

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 03:01 AM

7. Westboro Baptist Church

India-style.

Every religion has its Taliban wing.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 03:41 AM

8. Horrible!

The same week another Indian woman killed herself when the men in the town asked her to either accept money from her rapist or marry him!

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 03:42 AM

9. This guy is a known idiot and drama queen

Last edited Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:17 AM - Edit history (1)

bad combination.

He is a self-appointed guru not that he has gained any knowledge via education. Just like in other countries, such people get the following of the crazies. His comments were politically suicidal at this time.

The overwhelming public sentiment in India is so full of outrage against the rapists, this guy will feel the heat and will probably say he was misquoted in a couple of days. It will be difficult for even his loyal devotees to stomach this.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Activists-slam-Asaram-Bapu-for-his-comments-on-Delhi-gang-rape-incident/articleshow/17933930.cms

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:43 AM

14. What I would like to know is...

Not just what the educated people think in India about this man but what the population as a whole thinks...Because in cases like this many times it turns out there is a majority support due to the rural population. And there are far more uneducated people in India than educated. It is hard to change the minds of those who only know one thing RELIGION...Especially religion mixed with ancient cultural practices!

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:12 PM

27. ... The spiritual leader today claimed that media had distorted his statement ...

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:34 PM

29. so, does he apologize if he offended anyone?

he sounds like he takes his cues from rethug talking points...

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:17 PM

38. haha I predicted it n/t

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 04:01 AM

10. I guess this is a little obscure a-hole's chance

at 15 minutes of fame.

Sick, sad, and wrong.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:03 AM

11. I thought guru meant "wise man." Clearly that word was misused here.

I think the word you needed to use was "dumbass."

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:07 AM

12. And of course he knows she didn't call on God because.....?

And he knows she didn't beg them to stop because......?

Fuck him.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:46 AM

16. In his mind he knows she did not because...

she was raped! Kinda like "Legitimate Rape" here in the US...A girl would not get pregnant if she was "Legitimately Raped" because GAWD has designed the female body to reject rapist semen.

It really is that simple.

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:53 AM

17. In his mind

She was responsible for having her intestines yanked out through her vagina. That makes sense. I'm sure God never crossed her mind.

I could just scream!

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Response to lunatica (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:02 AM

18. I am screaming with you!!

This is pure madness!!

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:39 PM

30. and a judge in California seems to think the same thing as Akin

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/304-justice/15388-judge-demands-shredded-vagina-as-proof-of-rape

THE COURT (Judge Johnson, to be exact): I spent my last year and a half in the DA's office in the sexual assault. I've seen sexual assault. I've seen women who have been ravaged and savaged whose vagina was shredded by the rape. I'm not a gynecologist, but I can tell you something: If someone doesn't want to have sexual intercourse, the body shuts down. The body will not permit that to happen unless a lot of damage is inflicted, and we heard nothing about that in this case. That tells me that the victim in this case, although she wasn't necessarily willing, she didn't put up a fight. And to treat this case like the rape cases that we all hear about is an insult to victims of rape. I think it's an insult. I think it trivializes a rape.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:46 AM

15. They don't make Indian gurus like they used to

 

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:23 AM

19. This just goes to show

religious zealots are assholes no matter what stripe of zealotry they employ.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:13 AM

20. This just in...

Ignorant fool is ignorant. News at 11.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:18 AM

21. If ever there was a candidate

 

for lobotomy this guy is it.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:43 AM

22. More evidence of the evil that is RELIGION.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:07 PM

23. Asaram Bapu should be stoned for blaming my daughter, says Delhi gangrape victim's father

New Delhi, January 8, 2013 | UPDATED 21:34 IST

Headlines Today correspondent Preeti Choudhry spoke to the father of the 23-year-old Delhi gangrape victim ...

On Asaram Bapu: "How can he say what he did? He should be ashamed 'chullu bhar pani mein doob jana chahiye'. He would know if he had a daughter. Would he tell her to resign herself or beg to hooligans! Being a godman he is spewing venom. People should stone him" ...

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/asaram-bapu-should-be-stoned-delhi-gangrape-victim-father/1/241342.html

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:08 PM

24. Plea reaches court for criminal case against Asaram Bapu

An application was today moved in a local court seeking direction to lodge a criminal case against spiritual leader Asaram Bapu for his remarks in connection with the Delhi gang-rape case.

The application was moved in the court of Chief Judicial Magistrate Rajesh Upadhyaya by social activist Madan Lal Shukla. The applicant has alleged that Asaram Bapu made the statement to insult women, which was an offence under the Indian Penal Code (IPC), his counsel Pramod Kumar said. The words of the spiritual leader were deplorable not only for the victim, but for entire womanhood, he alleged ...

http://www.dayandnightnews.com/2013/01/plea-reaches-court-for-criminal-case-against-asaram-bapu/

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:10 PM

25. Asaram Bapu calls critics 'barking dogs', adds to gangraped girl's humiliation, then 'apologises'

New Delhi, Tue Jan 08 2013, 21:14 hrs

Day after letting loose extremely derogatory remarks against Delhi gangraped victim who died after days of waging a courageous fight against the horrific injuries she suffered during the crime, Asaram Bapu ratcheted up his insensitive tirade against her by refusing to apologise and in fact went much further to call all critics and the media 'barking dogs' for raising a controversy over his 'innocuous' comments ...

Asaram later told reporters his remarks about the gangrape victim were misconstrued by his critics and the media.

The spiritual leader claimed if his speech was understood in the proper context people would be respecting him for his comments in the Delhi gangrape case ...

In a queer manner of revoking his words, Asaram said that he would 'apologise a thousand times' if there was a valid reason for doing so, but since there were none, 'what can be done' ...

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/asaram-bapu-calls-critics-barking-dogs-adds-to-gangraped-girls-humiliation-then-apologises/1056347/0

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:11 PM

26. Asaram Bapu’s U-turn, says how can he blame the gang-rape victim

Tuesday, January 08, 2013, 20:31
Zeenews Bureau

... But, talking to Times Now today Asaram Babu retracted from his statement and tried to portray that he was misquoted.

“I talked about the girl very lovingly. How can I be so cruel and say that the girl was to be blamed. She is the victim,” he added.

The self-proclaimed godman also told the TV channel that when he loved even a snake how could he say anything untoward about the media?

“I can never say that media barks,” he said ...

http://zeenews.india.com/news/delhi/asaram-bapus-u-turn-says-how-can-he-blame-the-gang-rape-victim_821620.html

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:47 PM

31. thank you for posting these links

my mind and heart are in turmoil behind all of this... I feel so for Ms. Padney and her father, mother and family.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 03:56 PM

35. i'm guessing there was a decrease in money donations

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:30 PM

28. this is not a man who deserves to be followed or listened to

and I certainly do hope the good people in his area of India run him out of town in shame.

The victim is never guilty of her rape. EVER.

Why wasn't a mantra of God recited by the rapists before they got it in their heads to attack Ms. Singh Pandey's boyfriend? Where was God's name before they began raping Ms. Pandey? God never intervines in a crime and stops it. If he did, we would not need police.

She did not deserve this.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #28)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:24 PM

41. Oh dear god. Now you've shown me her face.

I don't think I will ever be able to forget it now that I've seen it.

I hope the world never forgets it. I hope a hundred million copies of that portrait are plastered on walls all over India, all over the world. I hope those eyes greet people everywhere, every day, to say "Never forget."

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:01 PM

32. Hmmm. How about the guru reincarnates as a cockroach?

It's sad and disgusting beyond words that such thinking exists in that culture, and among the Taliban and Shiites, and among the Talibaptists here.

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:02 PM

33. Wow. Just Wow.

 

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:41 PM

34. I wonder how "friendly" that fuck would be he if he were about to be raped?

What an unbelievable piece of shit. . . .

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 04:06 PM

37. And had she been more friendly, then others would be saying that it was her fault...

for being too friendly.

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:12 PM

40. + 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 n/t

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Response to JI7 (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:27 PM

39. Is a guru the Indian word for a turd.

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