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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:42 PM

'Exceptional' heatwave challenges records

Source: Sydney Morning Herald

"The extreme January heat has prompted the Bureau of Meteorology to issue a special climate statement, with further updates planned as the scorching temperatures continue."

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“This event is ongoing with significant records likely to be set,” the bureau statement said. “A particular feature of this heatwave event has been the exceptional spatial extent of high temperatures.”

The final four months of 2012 were the hottest on record for Australia and January is making an early run at adding to the sequence of especially hot weather.

“Australia-wide, and for individual states, we are currently well above average by many degrees,” said Aaron Coutts-Smith, the bureau's NSW manager for climate services


http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/exceptional-heatwave-challenges-records-20130108-2cdn9.html


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/exceptional-heatwave-challenges-records-20130108-2cdn9.html



Just stepped out of my air-conditioned office for the first time today to get a coffee, and the heat from the pavement hit me full on. Supposed to be 43 deg. in Sydney, which is 109 deg. on the Fahrenheit scale. I don't remember temperatures quite that high, ever.

I've read that temps tomorrow in Central Australia will reach 54 deg. The world record is 57 deg. The Dept. of Metereology has had to think up a new colour for its weather charts to reflect the new high temperatures.

And if Tony Abbott takes over the country later this year, he's going to abolish all climate change measures. Dickhead!

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Matilda Jan 2013 OP
Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #1
longship Jan 2013 #2
librechik Jan 2013 #6
longship Jan 2013 #10
Matilda Jan 2013 #23
Matilda Jan 2013 #3
UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #12
lexw Jan 2013 #4
PasadenaTrudy Jan 2013 #29
Gregorian Jan 2013 #5
raouldukelives Jan 2013 #13
countryjake Jan 2013 #18
Gregorian Jan 2013 #27
AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #41
tclambert Jan 2013 #19
SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #24
Gregorian Jan 2013 #28
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Matilda Jan 2013 #33
SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #34
Gregorian Jan 2013 #38
SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #52
Matilda Jan 2013 #46
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AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #43
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zeemike Jan 2013 #7
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zeemike Jan 2013 #26
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AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #40
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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:48 PM

1. Aw, it's just Sicklical

 

Misspelling deliberate. DURec!

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:01 PM

2. Forecast for rural west MI is high 40's by the weekend.

Last winter was similar. Little snow, but It never made it into the near 50's in January before a very long time ago. Long term forecast for next Saturday is high 49F.

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:32 PM

6. they mean centigrade--that's over 100 Fahrenheit

I'm soaking in it right now

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Response to librechik (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:15 AM

10. It's called Celsius these days, not Centigrade.

But here in the USA we're still on the imperial system (AKA the British Imperial System). So many Republicans think that it's the 'merican system. How ignorant!

As one educated in science, I would prefer the Kelvin scale for temperature. But unfortunately that is looking a bit dodgy, too. When negative Kelvin temps are experimentally observed...

Regardless, Celsius or Kelvin or Fahrenheit. All is relative.

And it's fucking warm here in the national forest of western Michigan.

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Response to longship (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:11 AM

23. Yep, forgot to make the conversion.

43 deg. Celsius is 109 deg. Fahrenheit, and that sounds much more dramatic.

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:07 PM

3. Severe Weather Warning Issued

"Damaging northwesterly winds near and ahead of a south to southwesterly change over the southern ranges and adjacent districts.

"Damaging winds around 50 to 60 km/h with peak gusts of 90 to 100 km/h are forecast for the Southern Tablelands and Australian Capital Territory forecast districts and parts of the Illawarra, South West Slopes and Snowy Mountains forecast districts, with gusts of up to 110 km/h possible around the Alpine peaks."


http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/warnings/severe.shtml


This is really bad, added to the bushfires. Winds this morning were north-easterly, which are warm, but gentle. The north-westerlies are fierce, and will blow the flames of fires very quickly. Southerlies also bad - cooler than the north winds, but also fierce. This is a very bad combination for bushfire areas, but unfortunately, these winds occur quite frequently in summer.

And to make matters worse the NSW Premier, Barry O'Farrell (Conservative), decided a few months ago to cut funding to the fire brigades, sacking or downgrading the status of many firefighters and closing a number of fire stations. God save us from Conservative idiots!

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Response to Matilda (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:46 AM

12. That just sounds aweful.

 

I've been reading about those brush fires.

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:09 PM

4. It's been very cold in Southern California (for So Cal that is). But not a lot of rain.

Last year, though, it was very warm here in winter.

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Response to lexw (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:33 AM

29. I know!

Ice on the roof in the morning. Everyone is sick too.

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:24 PM

5. And nothing is going to slow it down.

This planet is on full steam ahead. China is bulldozing it's way into the future. The shit you buy is mostly made over there, and just the transportation carbon emissions is staggering. And we aren't going back.

We all got our stuff. I just bought a plasma cutter. The neighbor just went on a vacation. And in just the last year, 50,000,000 new human beings have been born. And they are going to go on vacations, and buy things, and use water, and all of the rest.

I'm finally used to the fact that this planet is disposable. I wanted to preserve it for so many years. I refused to travel. I refused to buy stuff. Now it's clear. Nice knowing you.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:51 AM

13. Nice knowing you too!

Sadly I think you may be saddled with something called compassion for life on this planet. It's a liberal trait that many have developed the talent of dismissing at a moments notice when big money calls. I'm afraid your condition may be permanent and your attempts at dismissal will be to no avail.
Still, you can try a rigorous diet of cable TV news & entertainment and really try to care what the Princess is wearing today, what the hottest new app for your China phone is and what the stock market thinks. I mean, really try. It may come to you, but like I said, I think your terminal.

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:19 AM

18. +1

You have a nice way with words.

Singin' Guthries' "So Long, It's Been Good To Know You" now.

And mourning our home, our planet.

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:28 AM

27. So true.

I ride bicycles a lot. And listen to music all of the time. But I never lose that feeling of despair. It's more like fear and loathing. And thinking about how short a period of time it has been since all of the damage has been done compared to all of the time the human race has existed. It's hard to watch. And then I say, "but it was never easy". Sometimes that helps.

I guess the only answer is a question- Satan?

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:47 PM

41. But unfortunately, that's exactly where this type of "we're doomed" thinking leads.......

....is right back to the Matrix of "American Idol" and extreme consumerism that you helped describe. Sad to say, but it is ALL too true.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:41 AM

19. We haven't screwed up Mars yet.

Remember the scavenger aliens in Independence Day who traveled from one planet to another burning through their natural resources? We could be like them!

See, there's hope for the future.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:22 AM

24. The planet can only hold around...

ONE BILLION people living like Americans & Europeans live right now. Something HUGE will have to break within the next 50yrs-100yrs! That means a lot more people are going to suffer big time as the Earth regulates itself!

NO, I am not calling for population control...The Earth is! And the earth will do as it pleases...If we continue to treat the Earth as a dump then it will treat us like the garbage we are. Sorry, but that is just REALITY!!


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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:33 AM

28. We regulate for a reason. Why are we unregulated?

I keep thinking "Why not population control?". Is forcing people to have one child or less for the next 25 years asking THAT much?

I've recently begun to realize the human race may not be much brighter than other apes. We advanced because of a few Archimedes, Liebniz's, etc. So we're using all of these keenly bright concepts to make our lives easier.

The problem is, in these numbers, the planet pays when we refuse to do the work ourselves.

I didn't breed for a reason. Almost all of the people I know also didn't. But we're pretty rare.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #28)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:39 AM

31. No breeding in our family

Neither my brother, sister, nor I had kids. I like to think we have done a small bit to help.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #28)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:44 PM

33. Everything you say is true.

I admit that in yesterday's heat, I was so glad that I was in an airconditioned office, but I felt bad, knowing that said air conditioning is one of the things that is destroying the planet. People used to get by without these things of course, but we've become so used to them, we think we can't function without them.

Sadly, I think you're right. Time is running out, and you know that in about twenty years' time, even the idiots are going to wake up and scream that we must do something, but it will be too late. I feel sad about the animals that are losing their habitat, because none of this is their fault. It's humans who've stuffed things up, and the world will be better off without us.

There is such irony in the fact that we are the only creatures who can reason and think things through logically, yet we are also the only creatures who deliberately destroy our own habitat.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:43 AM

34. Same here...No kids...

America will never impose a one child policy when most of the nation is so religious but more so because we need to have a steady supply of people to buy things! Our economy is built entirely on having to sell more shit every 3 months more than you did the last 3 month or your stock price falls. Endless growing consumption is literally the worst fiscal cliff we could ever go off! Endless consumption means you need an endless power source to start with & we have yet get that technology going. It will be a race against time to see if we can get there while at the same time we drive the climate into disaster mode!! Not to mention then we will have to figure out a way to get more raw materials which we are running out of quickly.

I would love to be able to live another 100-150yrs just to see what happens...However, I think I will know what will happen before I die anyway...We will all know.

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #34)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:15 PM

38. Thanks. I really appreciate having this discussion.

I've been having it with my dad for decades. He's now 90, and I just got off the phone with him regarding another discussion I saw on an art forum of all places. They were debating whether having children is a luxury or a necessity. I never thought I'd live to see the day when these things were openly discussed, let alone in a civil manner.

I mirror the things you said. After 40 years of agonizing over this, I am now just watching as what appears to be inevitable suffering looms ahead.

The real problem is that resources are a constant, and growth is not. Something must give.

I might add that I consider myself a Christian. I accept evolution, and I insist on birth control. I now believe that the majority of humans are not much brighter than apes. I should write a book, as it just can't be explained in a forum post. I guess I could just say that stupid people give all sorts of things a bad name. I'm glad I lived long enough to see that there are bright ones amongst us. When I came do DU I remember opening my mouth regarding population. And I was crushed rather quickly. It's different now. The replies are mostly open minded.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:40 AM

52. YES, I have enjoyed it as well...

Seriously, anyone who simply looks at how fast the population of the world is growing & looks at the fact we have a finite amount of certain resources needed to maintain such huge numbers can easily see something really bad is coming in the not so distant future. I know how awful the words "population control" sounds to most but it is one of those things that MUST be discussed in a rational & YES "CIVIL" manner. So that we can prepare & hopefully prevent any major crisis like of mass starvation & disease breakouts. Which are most certainly coming...Look at how the climate is changing & all it will take is the drought in the mid west of the USA, where 52% of the world's grain is grown, to continue to get worse & we could be looking at major food shortages. Another NO NO here on DU is saying anything positive about genetically modified foods...But the FACT is without the GM seeds that are drought resistant we would already have huge food shortages. This is not being a "shill" for Monsanto this is just REALITY.

OK, I am going to stop here. Been really nice talking with you! Thanks.

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:27 AM

46. That is so true!

The drive for an ever-increasing population is driven by corporations who want to keep selling more, more, more.

In this country, the birth-rate has increased since John Howard introduced a "baby bonus" - now $5,000 to the first baby born to any couple, rich or poor, and decreasing amounts for subsequent children. It is alll market-driven. Polling shows that there is support for it being dropped, or at the very least means-tested, but even the Gillard government hasn't had the courage to get rid of it, and the conservatives never will.

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Response to Matilda (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:49 AM

53. There is a social stigma regarding those who don't have children.

I've been watching the old movies, and they are great examples of what our society feels about childless couples. I don't know about corporations, but there is a strong social motivation to not be childless.

I'm most clear now that humans are not the intelligent creatures I used to think they were. We're living modern lifestyles that were created through the great concepts provided by people like Archimedes and Newton.

I'm beginning to see the discussions on this subject. People are coming out of the dark. I saw a civil argument yesterday revolving around whether having children is a luxury or necessity. Very interesting.

I just wish it hadn't ruined my life. Now that it's mostly over I actually want to live longer in order to see the carnage.

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:54 PM

43. Sorry, but....

Earth's carrying capacity isn't exactly fixed(well, to a point, but yes, there are limits).....and, really, the Earth conducting it's own population control? Psshh.....at least Jim Lovelock's old Gaia theory made some sense. This doesn't.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:29 AM

51. It is scientific fact...

that the Earth cannot handle 7 billion people living the life of the average American...There is simply not enough resources to handle such numbers. This is not some New Age Gaia "theory" it is simply PHYSICS. Now, could there be future technological advancements that could change this, probably not, because even if we discovered a source of free renewable energy we would still have to deal with the shortage of natural resources.

When I say "the Earth will do its own population control" I mean exactly what i said above...Human consumption is far outpacing the Earth's ability to provide. And if you watch what almost any scientist who studies this is saying it will mirror EXACTLY what I have said.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090418075752.htm

I am curious though how you came to the conclusion you have that almost any amount of people can live on the Earth? If not, "any amount" then how many? A better question is how many people at what level of living?

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:37 PM

54. .....

that the Earth cannot handle 7 billion people living the life of the average American...There is simply not enough resources to handle such numbers. This is not some New Age Gaia "theory" it is simply PHYSICS. Now, could there be future technological advancements that could change this, probably not, because even if we discovered a source of free renewable energy we would still have to deal with the shortage of natural resources.

When I say "the Earth will do its own population control" I mean exactly what i said above...Human consumption is far outpacing the Earth's ability to provide. And if you watch what almost any scientist who studies this is saying it will mirror EXACTLY what I have said.


Well, now I get what you're saying. Makes more sense now that it's been clarified(you should have used better wording, though).

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090418075752.htm


I am curious though how you came to the conclusion you have that almost any amount of people can live on the Earth? If not, "any amount" then how many? A better question is how many people at what level of living?


Okay, but I never implied "almost any", either.

I'd say a reasonable estimate at this point would be somewhere around 5 billion or so, maybe 4-4.5 or so if, theoretically, everyone was to eat, drink, and drive like a Westerner. One of the big problems I've seen is, we are still rather inefficient as a civilization.....for example, why are we still using coal?
Also, if climate change temp. rise ends up falling on the higher end of estimates(and it may, though not nearly as likely as some have suggested), then we may see a somewhat noticeable decrease as farmland becomes harder to use, etc.

Perhaps there's others who can explain this better than I, though.......

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:23 AM

7. Well our right wing loonies are loonier than your right wing loonies

I'll bet.
I had one of them tell me the other day that we need to burn more fossil fuel cause that is what is keeping us out of an ice age.
And they say it as if they really believe it.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:49 AM

8. Still not hot enough for tennis sponsors

"World number four Agnieszka Radwanska declared it "too hot to play tennis" and suggested it might be time for event organisers to halt proceedings as temperatures tipped the 40-degree mark at the Sydney International.

"The Pole hung tough for a straight-sets win on Tuesday over Kimiko Date-Krumm to reach the last eight of the event but the weather quickly became more of a talking point than the quality of her play."


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"The tournament does have an Extreme Heat Policy (EHP) but it only comes into effect at the discretion of the tournament referee. Tennis officials apply a complex formula factoring in heat, humidity, wind and radiation to determine when on-court conditions become too stressful for the players."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-08/too-hot-for-tennis/4456808

Pardon my cynicism, but I can think of only one reason why the tournament wouldn't be deferred in this kind of heat - the sponsors would scream blue murder. If 43 deg. isn't hot enough, just what would it take?

Nothing must interfere with the corporate dollar.



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Response to Matilda (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:47 AM

26. Yep you got them too.

here in the USA we like football so much we let them play in any weather...
It is all about profit and loss...

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:02 AM

9. Time It Was and What a Time It Was...

 

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I toured and lived in Australia for a bit over a year back in the early 1990s. The Great Barrier Reef ("GBR") was "sick" even back then. I dived it in the daylight and at night. The coral reef (down at around 12 meters) that I saw was ghosty-white and dying. Very few fish inhabited the GBR that I got to see. Not much on the east coast side of Australia either. Ocean acidification and ocean temperature elevation (both due to CO2) were taking the GBR and its marine life population down. I felt I was touring an underwater graveyard. Sorry to paint such a dim picture. Australia's GBR's health is another "canary in the coal mine" for the extent of Global Warming's Earthly consequences. So Australia, I still have my photographs at least....It's all I've left of "you." After the last of the bushfires, there may not be much left of "Oz" except photographs and old video...
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An international study (10th August 2009) has found that the economic cost of coral bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef would be $37.7 billion. The Oxford Economics report, which values the reef at $51.4 billion, also found up to 50 per cent of tourists who would normally visit the reef would stay away from Queensland if bleaching was permanent. The study was commissioned by the Great Barrier Reef Foundation to set an economic benchmark for the natural asset. The foundation’s John Schubert says the figures paint a disturbing picture for tourism and local communities that directly benefit from their proximity to the reef. Managing director Judy Stewart expects the economic study will set a new standard for valuing the environment. `“I expect that the methodology will be looked at in great detail by other economists looking at other environmental assets elsewhere, as well as how we value coral reefs elsewhere,” she said. THE Great Barrier Reef’s gilt-edged importance to the Australian economy has been highlighted by new research into the potential financial cost of climate change to the world heritage-listed wonder. British consultant Oxford Economics puts the present value of the reef at $51.4 billion – approaching $2500 for every Australian alive today – but warns that nearly four-fifths of its worth would be destroyed if the coral was totally and permanently bleached. The study goes beyond placing a dollar figure on tourism, fishing and other commercial activities involving the reef, valuing “indirect” benefits such as its role in protecting coastal communities from storms and cyclones. The research was commissioned by the not-for-profit Great Barrier Reef Foundation. Its chairman, John Schubert, warned yesterday that the reef was at a “crossroads” because of climate change. “We are basically at a point where we need to take action to ensure that as much of the reef as possible can be preserved,” Dr Schubert said in releasing the Oxford Economics study. The $51.4bn figure for the reef’s net worth is calculated over a century, at a preferred discount rate of 2.65 per cent to price in the opportunity cost of tying up that capital. Oxford Economics valued the net economic benefit and profit generated by tourism on the reef at $20.2bn, with recreational fishing worth $2.8bn. Profit from commercial fishing is $1.4bn, while the so-called indirect-use value of the reef as a coastal defence absorbing up to 90per cent of the destructive force of storm-driven waves was $10bn in present value terms. Dr Schubert said the British firm’s estimate of the reef’s economic worth was broadly in line with that of Australian forecaster Access Economics, though each used a different form of economic modelling. Oxford Economics also factored in a “non-use” worth of the reef of $15.2bn, representing the potential value to Australians of, say, a future visit to the reef or of its capacity to yield breakthroughs in biomedicine and other forms of research. In costing these economic benefits, Oxford Economics said it had been able to value the potentially catastrophic effects of coral bleaching from higher ocean temperature and levels caused by climate change. The report found that the reef had been affected by heat-related coral bleaching six times over the past 25 years, most severely in 2002, when 60per cent of reefs within the vast marine park were hit, destroying up to a tenth of the coral. Total and permanent bleaching of the reef would cost $37.7bn, or 73 per cent of its assessed value to the economy, presently accounting for nearly 5 per cent of Australia’s gross domestic product. Tourism would be devastated, with up to half of the million or so people who visit the reef annually likely to stay away. The Cairns region would lose 90per cent of the $17.9bn reef-related activity boosting the local economy. “This report provides a wake-up call about the threat to one of Australia’s greatest natural assets and the potential cost to Australia,” Dr Schubert said. “It also establishes for the first time the extent to which the Cairns region would be affected by a major bleaching event.”

The litmus test for climate and energy policies (November 2012):
The litmus test that Australians should apply to our climate and energy policies is simple: will we leave the Great Barrier Reef for our children? At present, the answer we are giving to this question is “no”. It may be that it is too late to save the Great Barrier Reef and the myriad of life that depends on it. It may be that the human suffering that will flow from rapid climate change cannot be avoided.
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Scientists from the Australian Institute of Marine Science in Townsville say the world heritage area is under a triple attack. Their report says the crown of thorns starfish, cyclones and coral bleaching have all done severe damage in recent years. Australia’s federal Labor government has promised to do more to protect the World Heritage listed Great Barrier Reef after a report revealed that more than half of it had disappeared in the last 27 years. The study says the rate of coral decline is faster than expected, and if current trends continue, the Great Barrier Reef’s coral cover could halve again by 2022.

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http://econews.com.au/news-to-sustain-our-world/labor-pledges-more-for-dying-barrier-reef

Note: It's a pretty safe bet that the Crown of Thorns Starfish, the cyclones, and the coral bleaching problems are ALL effects of global warming-induced climate change. If the Earth's atmospheric CO2 content is not reduced to at least 350ppm ("parts per million") by 2016, we face extinction in or around 2030.
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To think that we evolved from a sponge only to be Earth's most notorious and lethal one....

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Response to triplepoint (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:08 AM

15. It's very sad.

And unfortunately, both the Queensland state government (currently run by lunatic conservatives) and the Federal Labor Government are hell-bent on granting more and more mining licences that will cause further irreparable damage to the reef. It's nothing short of criminal.

It's hard to believe that any government would want to go down in history as the government that destroyed the Great Barrier Reef, but once again, the corporations rule.

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Response to triplepoint (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:05 AM

36. I didn't like that song, but thanks for posting those videos. I'm watching the BBC documentary one..

I'm going to the Great Barrier Reef in early April, so apart from being glad even the Queensland government can't destroy it that quicly, I'm very interested in those sorts of documentaries seeing I've never been up there before...

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Response to triplepoint (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:54 PM

40. Good stuff, but one question.

By the way, when you said this:

Note: It's a pretty safe bet that the Crown of Thorns Starfish, the cyclones, and the coral bleaching problems are ALL effects of global warming-induced climate change. If the Earth's atmospheric CO2 content is not reduced to at least 350ppm ("parts per million") by 2016, we face extinction in or around 2030.


Did you mean the reefs? Or something else.....

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:02 AM

45. I Was Referring to Human Extinction

 

Though, it is looking more likely that more than our kind will begin going extinct in a big way by around 2030. Here's where you can read more about this:

http://guymcpherson.com/2013/01/climate-change-summary-and-update
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To think that we evolved from a sponge only to be Earth's most notorious and lethal one....

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Response to triplepoint (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:01 AM

47. Oh, I see.

Yeah, now I get it. Kind of unfortunate people are buying into this, though, because this is exactly the kind of B.S. we should be staying away from.....

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #47)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:23 AM

48. Au contraire, mon frčre

Guy McPherson is exactly what this somnolent world needs right now - someone to grab it by the lapels, shake it hard and scream in its face, "Wake the fuck up and start doing some thinking, you morons!"

I hope we see many more like him in the next year or two. We need to be reminded that the tops of the published probability ranges for temperature and CO2 concentrations are still highly probable - especially when pusillanimous scientific lapdogs like the IPCC and their political masters are collating the data.

I do think he's a bit of a pessimist, though. I'm not predicting human extinction until 2080...

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Response to GliderGuider (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:33 AM

49. Right back at ya. =)

I hope we see many more like him in the next year or two.


Sure, if you want more ammo for climate deniers to make us all look totally f***ing insane.....I'll stick with GreenMan and the Skeptical Science fellows, thanks; at least their predictions are based on reality, and not fringe wacko bullshit mixed with junky intrepretations laced with preconceived notions & biases, like McPherson and certain others are very guilty of.

We need to be reminded that the tops of the published probability ranges for temperature and CO2 concentrations are still highly probable


Possible, yes. Probable? Not quite.


I do think he's a bit of a pessimist, though. I'm not predicting human extinction until 2080...


I'll take that one step further: there won't be ANY human extinction at any point in the foreseeable future, not by AGW alone, anyhow.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:49 AM

50. Yeah - moderation has worked so well this far, why get worried now? nt

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Response to GliderGuider (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:38 PM

55. "Chicken Little" stuff hasn't worked well, either. And it won't now. n/t

(Yes, I do know what you meant by "moderation", too.)

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:59 PM

56. Frankly, nothing has worked. And nothing will, until TSHTF.

Blabla won't make anything change, no matter which side of the spectrum it comes from.

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:17 AM

11. Sucks.

However, though, I do have a question: Where did you hear that temps were going to reach 54*C down there?

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:04 AM

14. It was an article in the Sydney Morning Herald.

Here's a link:

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/temperatures-off-the-charts-as-australia-turns-deep-purple-20130108-2ce33.html


This is the middle of the desert, and the coastal city areas wouldn't ever get this high (at least not currently). But it's come from the Bureau of Meterology, so it would be kosher.

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Response to Matilda (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:24 AM

16. Okay, then it's definitely kosher. n/t

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:02 AM

17. Temperatures off the charts as Australia turns deep purple

Australia's "dome of heat" has become so intense that the temperatures are rising off the charts – literally.

The Bureau of Meteorology's interactive weather forecasting chart has added new colours – deep purple and pink – to extend its previous temperature range that had been capped at 50 degrees.

The range now extends to 54 degrees – well above the all-time record temperature of 50.7 degrees reached on January 2, 1960 at Oodnadatta Airport in South Australia – and, perhaps worringly, the forecast outlook is starting to deploy the new colours.

"The scale has just been increased today and I would anticipate it is because the forecast coming from the bureau's model is showing temperatures in excess of 50 degrees," David Jones, head of the bureau's climate monitoring and prediction unit, said.


Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/environment/weather/temperatures-off-the-charts-as-australia-turns-deep-purple-20130108-2ce33.html#ixzz2HNf6yKWv



It hit 40.1 here on Saturday and that's just one degree lower than the highest ever temperature in the ACT...

Stay cool, Matilda!

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:45 AM

20. Clearly, the geography of Australia is defective.

They need to move their mountain ranges more to the middle of the continent, and get some more rivers and big lakes while they're at it.

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:08 AM

22. Hey, Violet!

Hope you're not close to the bushfires! Checked Google maps earlier, and there were fires all around the ACT.

We've remained free this time around, although we're close to a national park. But it's 11.00 pm now, and the temperature is 37 deg. (That's 98.6 Farenheit for those in the States).

Forecast tomorrow is for 25 deg., so there must be a southerly change coming through. Then it's going up again on Friday, though not as bad as today. This is insane weather.

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Response to Matilda (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:38 AM

25. The ACT's been relatively lucky so far. Fingers crossed it stays that way...

I was kind of surprised there was no smoke in the air this afternoon, but all we got was a dust storm once that wind really picked up. The high wind caused blackouts and when I got home I had no power, which sucked in this heat

Yuck. 37 degrees. I think I'd just give up trying to get any sleep in that. It's 11:30 and the temperature's dropped to 28 degrees, but that's incredibly warm given we usually have cool nights after very hot days.

I read an article today at work from someone from the ANU who's an expert on climate change suggesting that instead of adding to the problem of global warming by turning on the a/c, that we just slow down so we don't overheat. That's just not going to do the trick for me in this extreme heat...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:35 AM

30. Jesus, 54C is like 120F, right?

Holy F*CK! Is that the Alice Springs area? I had a college buddy from there.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:55 PM

32. The purple looks like it's covering that area, but the forecast when I woke up this morning is mild.

They're only forecasting a top of 43 degrees for today, which is 110 farenheit.

http://www.bom.gov.au/nt/forecasts/alice_springs.shtml

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:06 AM

37. the problem with heat waves in the desert is that they make the entire summer hotter

with little ground cover, excess daytime heating is absorbed into the ground...the next morning is warmer.

similar heating the next day, but with a warmer minimum, baseline temperature, means a warmer subsequent night.

all this is additive, and without major intervening weather to stop it, an unseasonably warm stretch in the desert can lead to an overall, wickedly hot summer.

on many nights in the summer, it literally cannot cool enough to keep the next day from being warmer.

Phoenix's summer of 2003 was a lot like this...record breaking heat spells with only intermittent returns to near normal --no cool periods. 16 days had minimum temperatures of 90F ( or greater 32.2C) and one night at 97F (36C).

http://classic.wunderground.com/history/airport/KPHX/2003/5/1/CustomHistory.html?dayend=31&monthend=8&yearend=2003&req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:56 AM

35. 54C is 129F

every 10C is worth 18F.

0C 32F
10C 50F
20C 68F
30C 86F
40C 104F
50C 122F
60C 140F

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:48 PM

42. Last I checked the pink area was in SA...Alice Springs is a few hundred miles due north.

No doubt they probably got hit hard, too, though.

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:01 AM

21. Our deciduous trees are in full fall colors right now and

some of the Spring flowering trees are in bloom too.

Usually the deciduous trees are bare of leaves or blossoms in January. This is in the Bay Area in California.

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:17 PM

39. Australia-wide, and for individual states

Australia-wide, and for individual states

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:01 PM

44. In Chicago it's supposed to be in the 40's & 50's this weekend

We NEED a good hard frost for a couple of weeks to kill the mold and bacteria. We also haven't had more than a dusting of snow in 300+ days. We need the rain/snow (just not all at once in 10 minutes). Usually MLK week is the coldest in the area (I remember "highs" of -10 below) and we need that again for a while. I hope we get lots more snow too!! It should be illegal to have Christmas with out snow (at least in the areas where there should be snow).

Paula

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Response to Paula Sims (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:31 PM

58. It's raining and in the 40s here in Minneapolis too

And we expect 50s tomorrow. Usually it's below zero this time of year.

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Response to Matilda (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:26 PM

57. It sounds like Abbott is of the "Ignorance is bliss school of thought"



Thanks for the thread, Matilda.

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