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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:08 PM

GOP Rep. To Introduce Bill To Stop Treasury From Creating Trillion Dollar Coins

Source: TPM

Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR) on Monday announced that he will introduce a bill to stop the much-ballyhooed proposal for the U.S. Treasury Department to mint trillion dollar platinum coins in an effort to avoid the debt ceiling.

The statement:

“Some people are in denial about the need to reduce spending and balance the budget. This scheme to mint trillion dollar platinum coins is absurd and dangerous, and would be laughable if the proponents weren’t so serious about it as a solution. I’m introducing a bill to stop it in its tracks,” Rep. Walden said.

“My wife and I have owned and operated a small business since 1986. When it came time to pay the bills, we couldn’t just mint a coin to create more money out of thin air. We sat down and figured out how to balance the books. That’s what Washington needs to do as well. My bill will take the coin scheme off the table by disallowing the Treasury to mint platinum coins as a way to pay down the debt. We must reduce spending and get our fiscal house in order,” Rep. Walden said.

Within the last week, numerous media reports (example here) have suggested that the U.S. Mint could create trillion dollar platinum coins, which would then be deposited into the Federal Reserve to be used to pay the federal government’s bills or avoid hitting the debt ceiling. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on the Constitution, touted the proposal last week (storyhere). New York Times columnist and Princeton professor Paul Krugman suggested the idea in an article as well (click here). Other leaders in Washington, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, have urged the President to raise the debt limit unilaterally without permission from Congress.


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Reply GOP Rep. To Introduce Bill To Stop Treasury From Creating Trillion Dollar Coins (Original post)
DonViejo Jan 2013 OP
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #1
Flashmann Jan 2013 #2
Swede Atlanta Jan 2013 #9
RC Jan 2013 #38
NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #14
pasto76 Jan 2013 #46
Gman Jan 2013 #17
indepat Jan 2013 #27
meegbear Jan 2013 #3
the_chinuk Jan 2013 #4
kentauros Jan 2013 #42
BumRushDaShow Jan 2013 #5
brooklynite Jan 2013 #6
grantcart Jan 2013 #8
SoapBox Jan 2013 #19
marble falls Jan 2013 #7
The CCC Jan 2013 #10
broadcaster75201 Jan 2013 #11
Volaris Jan 2013 #26
eggplant Jan 2013 #12
1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #13
Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #22
1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #24
Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #25
1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #33
Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #35
shawn703 Jan 2013 #15
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #30
jeff47 Jan 2013 #37
CreekDog Jan 2013 #16
TygrBright Jan 2013 #18
reverend_tim Jan 2013 #20
Volaris Jan 2013 #28
reverend_tim Jan 2013 #31
Ezlivin Jan 2013 #21
november3rd Jan 2013 #23
Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #32
bluedigger Jan 2013 #29
thelordofhell Jan 2013 #34
IDemo Jan 2013 #40
Panasonic Jan 2013 #36
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #39
bucolic_frolic Jan 2013 #41
tomm2thumbs Jan 2013 #43
padruig Jan 2013 #44
Rozlee Jan 2013 #45
davidpdx Jan 2013 #47
Kablooie Jan 2013 #48

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:12 PM

1. Better fire up the mint pretty quick then.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:14 PM

2. Bill To Stop Treasury From Creating Trillion Dollar Coins

Wouldn't the bill proposed by this idiot,(GOP rep,idiot,toMAYto,toMAHto)have to get through the senate,then be signed by the VERY guy he wants to stop from using that tactic??

O.M.G...The stupid really does hurt!!

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:45 PM

9. Yes, this is going nowhere...

 

just like Michelle Bachmann introducing legislation to repeal the Affordable Care Act. She should be considered a traitor for using public money for something that is going nowhere.

But for this treasury coin making scheme, the bill would first have to be taken up in the House (not sure Boehner boy wants to bring forward this kind of crap so early in the new Congress) and pass there. Then it would have to go to the Senate where Majority Leader Reid would certainly not even bring it for a vote. Even if it was brought before the Senate, the Dems would never pass it. Even if it passed in the Senate the President would veto it and I doubt Congress could muster the 2/3 necessary for an override.

This is expensive theatrics. Guy is a traitor and should be hung at sunrise.

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Response to Swede Atlanta (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:29 PM

38. Why wait that long? Why not sunset?

 

Guy is a traitor and should be hung at sunrise.

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:41 PM

14. Unless he attaches it to some other bill that would be very difficult

to veto. You know like funding for supporting veterans or something.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:37 PM

46. yeah, not so much

since bills funding veterans programs havent had much luck getting out of the House. And the senate doesnt fight very hard to beat a filibuster threat.

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:47 PM

17. Yeah but he made headlines

which is a lot of what this is about.

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:42 PM

27. So the idea is to pass law abrogating any clause of the Constitution you might not like.

How juvenile and absurdly asinine.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:17 PM

3. Alice Cooper was on the billion dollar bill ...





I wonder who'd be on the trillion?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:20 PM

4. As an Oregonian, I'd like to say, that I do not claim this man.

He's from the (geographic) 2/3rds of Oregon that, for some reason, thinks Republicans are honorable truth-tellers. He doesn't represent the smarter part of the state.

We keep hoping the rest of our state gets with the brain program, but you know, they're our fellow Oregonians. We love them anyhow.

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Response to the_chinuk (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:11 PM

42. If you can do that,

then those of us in the south can do the same with our dimwit R's

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:25 PM

5. The GOP = the KKK. n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:27 PM

6. Next up: the $999,999,999,999 coin...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:41 PM

8. lol

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:59 PM

19. Would that be a version of an Allen West coin?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:33 PM

7. How about a bill to keep Republicans from waging unpaid for wars and Medicare Drug benefits.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:49 PM

10. GOP Rep. To Introduce Bill To Stop Treasury From Creating Trillion Dollar Coins

It is an act of treason to call into question the full faith and credit of the US. Since Republicans are so all fired happy to keep GITMO open. That's a good place for them.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:14 PM

11. Wow. They're scared? Amusing N/t

nt

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Response to broadcaster75201 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:40 PM

26. That's just what I was thinking lol...

seems we have struck a bit of a nerve with this....

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:25 PM

12. And I thought Krugman was kidding.

Ouch. The stupid. It burns.

I think O should do it purely as a fuck you move.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:32 PM

13. I always amazes me when: ...

One a politician/citizen attempt to argument national fiscal policy by citing to their private business or their household finances ... without recognizing that the comparators have very little in common. I general request that they educate themselves by using the google to learn about "Sovereign Currency."

Further, I am amazed where these same people argue against "creat(ung)/printing money out of thin air" ... without recognizing that business (specifically, banking) is the inventor of "creating money out of thin air" (see fractional reserve requirement).

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:18 PM

22. Guys like that actually think that banks only lend against the assets of depositors.

It is amazing how so many are so clueless about basic stuff like fractional lending.

And it is indeed creating money out of vapor, and perfectly legal.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:23 PM

24. Yep ...

I would love for mschool boards, across the country, to revise their 6-12th grade curricula to include Financial Literacy ... then, maybe we would be having fewer discussions like this.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:36 PM

25. Funny you posted that, one of the classes required for graduation by my high school

included one quarter on basic principles of government finance, taxation and our banking system, as part of the required course in American Government.

If you didn't pass AG, you flunked the year, no matter what you did on your other classes; it was a required 'pass' to graduate.

They offered it both junior and senior year, and every summer school session, so students had plenty of tries to pass it.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:56 PM

33. Sadly ...

your school district seems tpo be in the vast minority. My school ... way back in the 70's ... had a government course (Civics), but was just a little more in-depth than that School Rock animated video of "Bill."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:02 PM

35. I'd settle for most citizens even knowing that nuch!

But, yeah, we still have pretty good school system, it's one thing that is still run fairly well in our city.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:43 PM

15. Can someone explain how this "trillion dollar coin" idea would work?

Would depositing it at the Fed in essence knock down the national debt a trillion dollars somehow? If it wouldn't hurt the economy any, why not mint a $16.4 trillion dollar coin and deposit it at the Fed?

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Response to shawn703 (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:14 PM

37. Sure

Would depositing it at the Fed in essence knock down the national debt a trillion dollars somehow?

Theoretically, it could. What it would probably be used for is to finance future spending.

If it wouldn't hurt the economy any, why not mint a $16.4 trillion dollar coin and deposit it at the Fed?

Because adding that much money would probably cause hyperinflation. $1 Trillion isn't likely to be a problem, since we could use some inflation right now to get out of the zero lower bound. But the entire debt would probably cause too much inflation.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:44 PM

16. let me guess: those in favor want us to return to the gold standard

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:48 PM

18. Best laugh I've had all day. This level of dumb is off the charts.

We need new charts every year the GOP controls Congress...

amusedly,
Bright

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:05 PM

20. There is a Republican from OR, I thought they were extinct

It should be a three headed coin, Regan on one side, and the Bushes on the other.

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Response to reverend_tim (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:44 PM

28. lol do you think they would get the irony inherent to that statement?

or would they just walk around in a happy stupor thinking "Hey, they put Reagan on a Coin. 'Bout damn time..."

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Response to Volaris (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:50 PM

31. it would be fun to find out

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:09 PM

21. Never time to do real work, but always time to introduce bullshit bills

I guess Rep. Walden will tend to other legislative matters once his lobbyists tell him it's time.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:23 PM

23. I lost a quarter a few weeks ago

I would hate to drop a $1 trillion coin on the subway tracks!

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Response to november3rd (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:54 PM

32. No worries. You'll never lose it, because you'll never be able to pick it up to begin with.



Imagine if this was it.

That's more than a ton of solid gold Australian 50 million-dollar coin.

http://www.businessinsider.com/australia-mint-largest-gold-coin-2011-11



There must be a vending machine full of Maseratis and Ferraris somewhere.








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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:47 PM

29. What programs does Rep. Walden propose to cut in order to balance the budget? n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:59 PM

34. But aren't they going to put Raygun's face on the coin??

Only fitting.........

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:43 PM

40. Milton Friedman

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:14 PM

36. And the Senate will ignore this.

 

Any bill trying to stop Democrats from doing their constitutents' work will be ignored.

Also, sanctions against the House Republicans are in order.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:36 PM

39. Maybe I'm not seeing something but...

...as I read Article 1 section 8 of the Constitution, there's not a problem coining the trillion and a Constitutional Amendment is necessary to change that.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:01 PM

41. Does he realize

he could be stopping a future GOP President from giving
trillion dollar tax cuts to billionaires?

Shameful!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:20 PM

43. Ahhh, but the Gazillion Dollar Bill...





I wonder if they'll work at Kmart

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:32 PM

44. has anyone mentioned ... ?


Has anyone mentioned to Rep. Walden that the minting of these coins are called out in the Constitution of the United States ?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:17 PM

45. And I thought bills ending bans on dwarf tossing and fetus eating were dumb

These guys are starting the new year with more stupid than they ended last year.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:21 PM

47. Another Fox News conspiracy

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:35 AM

48. Wouldn't Obama have to approve the bill befor it became law?

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