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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:55 PM

City of Dallas to raze 600 Elsbeth this week, ending years of fighting over former Oswald apartment

Source: Dallas Morning News


Come week’s end, 600 Elsbeth will be no more. Finally.

That’s according to this morning’s letter from city of Dallas Senior Assistant City Attorney Andrew Gilbert, who says the city’s through messing around with the Oak Cliff apartment complex where Lee Harvey and Marina Oswald lived from November 1962 till March of ’63. Long story short: A judge ordered its demolition in the summer of 2011, and owner Jane Bryant of Align LP fought off the bulldozers as long as she could. But enough’s enough, says Gilbert.

“The condition of the Property has worsened since November 30, 2012, is an attractive nuisance to vandals, and threatens harm to the public health, safety and welfare,” says Gilbert’s missive concerning the building about which Gordon Keith wrote last month. “In addition, the City is concerned that Align may not have properly abated all asbestos containing materials from the property, including sheetrock that contains asbestos.”

City Hall spokesman Frank Librio says this morning that city-employed contractors are due to pull up to the property this morning to conduct further asbestos abatement, which may last till Wednesday — hard to say, given the soggy weather forecast. “Can’t really say how long abatement will take,” Librio says. “Contractors are going to wrap the structure, so you will see that today, and bring in a large generator.”

The city maintains it’s a hazard; others, a roadblock to further development in the Bishop Arts District.

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Read more: http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2013/01/breaking-city-of-dallas-to-raze-600-elsbeth-this-week-ending-years-of-fighting-over-old-oswald-apartment.html/

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Reply City of Dallas to raze 600 Elsbeth this week, ending years of fighting over former Oswald apartment (Original post)
DonViejo Jan 2013 OP
onehandle Jan 2013 #1
Archae Jan 2013 #2
truebrit71 Jan 2013 #3
Archae Jan 2013 #5
christx30 Jan 2013 #6
Archae Jan 2013 #7
truebrit71 Jan 2013 #9
happyslug Jan 2013 #13
slackmaster Jan 2013 #4
Kolesar Jan 2013 #10
slackmaster Jan 2013 #11
justabob Jan 2013 #8
Downwinder Jan 2013 #12
struggle4progress Jan 2013 #14
slackmaster Jan 2013 #15

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:57 PM

1. Republicans will still place flowers on the spot, like Neo-Nazis do on Hitler's birthplace.

I assume.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:06 PM

2. Why republicans?

You forgetting that Oswald was a far-far-leftie?

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:16 PM

3. He was? That's news to me...

..that was the role he played at the behest of the his handlers..

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:42 PM

5. Try using REAL history, not Oliver Stone(d)'s "JFK."

"JFK" was 99% fiction.

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Response to Archae (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:10 PM

6. No denying that

Oswald lived in Russia for a long time. And he supported Castro. The "Fairplay for Cuba Commitee"?

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Response to christx30 (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:16 PM

7. Exactly.

What sewer "historians" like Oliver Stone keep forgetting is how Kennedy continued Eisenhower's anti-Cuba programs, including the Bay Of Pigs fiasco and hiring the Mafia in wild schemes to kill Castro.

Kennedy was also appealing to right-wing groups in 1963, looking towards the election the following year.

Oswald had already tried killing one far-right figure, former General Walker.
But he missed.
Oswald saw Kennedy as a threat to his far-left paradise, namely Cuba.

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Response to Archae (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:43 PM

9. Like the Warren Commission Report?

Okay...

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:59 PM

13. You may dislike the Warren Report, but it tried to meet all the facts of the case

Other sources do not. They take things out of context, ignores known facts that dispute their position or worse. The Warren Commission had to deal with the following facts:

1. The Rifle Oswald was using was only capable of three shots in the time period Kennedy was in range. While some witnesses report as many as eight shots, but 88% of people who reported hearing the shots report either three shots, two or three shots, or two shots (Please note, in urban environment when windows are still intact, the sounds of bullets bounce off windows and people tend to hear more shots then actually fired, i.e. they report echos of shots as additional shots, thus unlike the time restriction in operating the rifle, these reports are NOT considered reliable).

2. The rifle fired a 6.5x52mm round with a aluminum tipped full jacketed bullets. The round was designed to do the maximum damage to whatever it hit, without expanding, while being a less powerful round then the American 30'06 (7.62x63) and German 7.98x57 rounds (and fired an older more round bullet then the the "Spitzer" bullets used in the 30'06 and 7.98x57 rounds). The more rounded heavier bullet, retained more of its energy at long range, but at the cost of being much weaker at short range, short range being defined at less then 100 yards (Oswald fired at Kennedy when they were about 75 yards apart). The Aluminum tip make the bullet bottom heavy, so that when it hit something, the lighter tip would slow down first, then the bottom, causing the bullet to tumble. Being Full Metal Jacketed, the bullet will retain its shape, even as it bounces all over the place due to its bi-metal construction. In subsequent tests of the same TYPE of rifle, firing the same type of ammunition, the path of the "Magic Bullet" was duplicated, so it is POSSIBLE.

More on the 6.5x52mm Round:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5%C3%9752mm_Mannlicher-Carcano

3. The Doctors who first worked on Kennedy tried to save his life, thus ended up operating on his head, in a hurry, to repair any damage. The Doctors trying to save Kennedy's life was NOT concerned at that point to save evidence on how the bullet entered and exited Kennedy.

4. One bullet ended up in a gurney in the Hospital where both then Texas Governor Connelly, and Kennedy were taken. The "Magic Bullet" is believed to have done almost all of the damage to Connelly (and the neck wounds to Kennedy).

The "Magic" bullet is the one theory that explains the above facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_bullet_theory

People may reject the Warren Report, but it does explain all the KNOWN facts of the case. If you believe a second shooter was involved (and you accept the Warren's report that the first shot MISSED everyone), the Warren Report can not be right, but in the absence of a second shooter, the Warren Report's Magic Bullet theory explains the injuries to Kennedy and Connelly.

Given the path the "Magic Bullet" did, hitting Kennedy in the neck, damaging his back bone, hitting the knot in Kennedy's tie (and the shirt where the knot was located), tumbling sideways about 25 inches and hitting Connelly in his back, at which point, due to the tumbling and slower speed having gone through the above, the bullet destroyed 5 inches of one of Connelly's rib, exited Connelly, then hit Connelly's wrist, hitting the wrist bone at its thickest, exit Connelly's body again, but then buried itself in Connelly's thigh. That is a lot of things to hit and retain energy and in tests, cited elsewhere, the bullet did lose all of its forward energy by the time it had penetrated the equivalent of Connelly's thigh.

My point is the Warren Commission's explanations is the best explanation of how the assassination of Kennedy occurred. People would prefer a conspiracy, but it looks like the work of one man.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:17 PM

4. That's really an outrageous thing to post, onehandle.

 

Oswald was a far-left ideologue, certainly no friend of Republicans now and especially not at the time of the assassination.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:44 PM

10. The Republican newspaper wrote scathing editorials against JFK in the week before he was murdered

The republicans hated President Kennedy with a passion.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:45 PM

11. They hated LBJ even more

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:24 PM

8. probably for the best

The boarding house really isn't so important to the story, and is not a big tourist draw or anything like that. It is a rundown house in a rundown neighborhood in a part of town that is trying to revive itself. Several of its neighbors should be torn down too.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:14 PM

12. Dallas does not show the same concern over its

asbestos cement water lines.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:17 PM

14. meh. the building itself has no architectural interest, and the fact that oswald

lived there a few months doesn't really add anything to its value

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:21 PM

15. I work near a former rifle range where LHO took his basic rifle training in the Marine Corps

 

It was a great place to play when I was a kid. Very recently it's been re-graded and is now the home of some medical buildings that are part of UCSD Medical Center.

The guard shack, made of adobe brick, was preserved informally for a long time. Even that is gone now.

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