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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:24 AM

White Supremacist Teen Arrested For Bomb Plot

Source: TPM



PEMA LEVY 11:13 AM EST, MONDAY JANUARY 7, 2013

A white supremacist teenager from Alabama will appear in court Monday for allegedly planning to bomb his high school, the Ledger-Enquirer reports.

Derek Shrout, 17, of Russell County High School was arrested after a teacher found plans to bomb the school in Shrout's journal and authorities found almost-ready homemade bombs in his home.

Russell County Sheriff Heath Taylor said Sunday a search of Shrout's home Friday found about a couple dozen small tobacco cans and two large cans, all with holes drilled in them and containing pellets...

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Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/white-supremacist-teen-arrested-for-bomb-plot



Link to the Ledger-Enquirer article:
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2013/01/06/2334878/russell-county-sheriff-teen-planned.html

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:29 AM

1. Lets call it what it is.

TERRORISM.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:39 AM

2. Black and white

 

Glad they caught this guy, but I find the anger on both sides these days.

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Response to Taxee (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:51 AM

4. Seriously? Name ONE liberal bomb plot, mass shooting, assasination plot.

Both sides do it is bullshit.

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Response to Taxee (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:12 PM

5. What a profoundly ignorant statement

I dare Taxee to respond with some data.

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Response to Taxee (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:43 PM

6. you

are spreading the "both sides do it, when it is not true. Get your facts straight before you come on this site or if you''re what I think you are, a right wing troll(troublemaker) don't get mad, just go away. My response to you. That's not hi, that's bye bye.

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Response to Taxee (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:14 PM

8. And yet, my alert came back 3-3. At least someone else got them PPR'ed. n/t

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Response to eggplant (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:10 PM

12. MIRT got them - while I was alerting on another post of theirs

If it's any consolation, I included a link to the post in this thread, and a juror agreed the posts together spelled 'troll'.

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Response to Taxee (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:07 PM

11. Cites

or GTFO

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:49 AM

3. good thing he left the journal and the teacher read it, I wonder what they can charge him with?

Wonder if he has any history of blowing up animals,bullying with his friends, parents who are white supremacists, or something like that.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:44 AM

13. I'd say he wanted to be stopped...

He left the journal for his teacher to read ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:27 AM

14. I read he told the police it was a fiction story. I wonder what they can charge him with.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:00 PM

7. The police have a problem

Last edited Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:15 PM - Edit history (1)

From the Article:

He said other ingredients to complete the small bombs -- such as black powder, butane and fuses -- were not found.

Read more here: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2013/01/06/2334878/russell-county-sheriff-teen-planned.html#storylink=cpy


Cans and Pellets are NOT regulated, it is legal to own them. It is also legal to keep a Journal of who you would like to kill (Remember Freedom of Speech). The issue is how far has this person gone into making a bomb to carry out the plan? Given the suspect had NONE of the banned parts of a bomb I can argue he had NOT gone far enough in making the bombs. The Suspect can claim all he was doing was working out his frustrations when he did his plans, but he NEVER took the step needed to actually go forward with them.

On the other hand a Jury can rule that getting the cans, putting holes in them along with Pellets is enough to show his plans to make and use a bomb. The problem I see is the lack of anything to make the bomb go "boom". This is the problem for any Criminal prosecution of this case, the suspect had nothing to could go "boom".

Please note, the above goes for CRIMINAL charges, the issue of School Attendance is another matter. I do NOT know the mandatory school ages in Georgia, but if this student is within those ages, he has to attend some sort of school AND the School District has to pay for it. That does NOT mean he has the right to go back to this school, but he has to go to some school.

On the other hand, if he is NOT in the mandatory School attendance age, the school can kick him out and that is it.

If I was hearing this case at a preliminary hearing level, I would dismiss the Criminal Charges on the grounds that without something to make the thing to go "boom", you do NOT have a bomb, you have PLANS for a bomb, but not a bomb (and having PLANS for a bomb is NOT ILLEGAL, remember Freedom of Speech and of the Press). On the other hand, this student has some psychological problems and the cans, pellets and writing all show a clear psychological problem. I would order him held for Psychiatric evaluation to see if he is a danger to himself or others. If it is found he needs help, make sure he gets the help and make sure he finish his education (even ordering him to go back to his old school and ordering the school to take him). The School is on notice this student has problems, and can work around any problem (including making sure he is always watched).

On the other hand if the psychological reports shows no problems (something I doubt will happen), then permit the School to kick him out for being disruptive to the school.

I bring up these later issues, for the simple fact they exist in this case. Most people do NOT make kill lists and make pseudo-bombs, that takes someone who has frustrations, may be problems in school or psychiatric problems, but something. Given that it is questionable if the suspect did enough to actually make a bomb (i.e. order or buy something that could go "boom") criminal charges will be hard to prove, but that he is a danger to himself and others is another question and that may be enough grounds to do something.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:32 PM

9. He took substantial steps towards the commission of his crime.

That should be enough.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:27 PM

10. What substantial steps, other then filling cans with pellets?

If he had ordered, purchased or had ready access to something that would make the bomb go "boom", that is another story. Making the actual bomb in NOT required. having all of the parts are NOT required, but making a "bomb" that can NOT explode due to an inability to get something that would go "boom", in my opinion, is NOT enough. I would be more satisfied if he had something that would make the bomb go "Boom" even if it was NOT in the bomb but someplace else in the house. Actually making the bomb is NOT required, but making an inert object that clearly is NOT explosive by itself is less then what is needed.

A good example would be bank robbers. If someone decides to rob a bank, and has a gun he plans to use to rob the bank, but NEVER goes near the bank, is that enough to charge him with bank robbery? The General Answer is NO. On the other hand, if in addition to the above, he WALKS to the bank, that may be enough, entering the bank with the gun is clearly enough. The same with this bomb, NOT having something that would make the bomb go "Bomb", in my opinion, is NOT enough to show criminal intent (Through if the plan was to Scare someone, then it may be enough, but then scaring someone is only illegal if you plan to take money from the scared person. i.e. rob a bank with a fake bomb). I do not think it is enough, but that is why we have juries to decided such disputes as to the facts of a case.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 04:09 PM

15. it must have taken him at least a year to chew up 40 tins of that tobacco, ewwww

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:13 PM

16. Actually, if he purchased tobacco, that might be enough

Remember an explosion occurs when solid matter converts to some sort of aerial format. That conversion also includes an massive expansion in volume. If that massive expansion is contained, it can expand so much that it can rupture whatever is holding it and act as an explosive. Exploding Grain silo are an example of this, an exploding tea kettle is another. Tobacco burns and while it is a very poor material to act as an expanding agent, it is, in theory, possible to burn the tobacco, causing pressure to build up and then cause an low grade explosion.

My comment, was due to the lack of anything that would normally be considered explosive, but enough tobacco mixed with the right amount of Oxygen would be enough, at least in theory (Getting a Judge or Jury to believe it would be enough is another story).

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