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Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:50 AM

DCF Wants Unlicensed Religious Children's Home Closed

Source: The Lakeland Ledger.

State officials asked a judge Friday to shut down an unlicensed Port St. Lucie children's home that for years has been allowed to operate despite evidence it has hurt kids in its care.

In an 80-page petition, attorneys for the Department of Children and Families cataloged more than a dozen incidents in which its investigators found evidence children were neglected, injured or otherwise mistreated while in the care of Alan Weierman, the self-professed "colonel" who runs Southeastern Military Academy.

The agency says the home must be shut down because it operates with no state license and has failed to get other state-recognized credentials, such as private school accreditation.

The state's action was prompted by a Tampa Bay Times investigation that chronicled Weierman's more than two decades running religious homes in Florida.

Read more: http://www.theledger.com/article/20130105/NEWS/130109700?p=all&tc=pgall



Here is an earlier article about the abuse in these Florida centers exempted from regulation because of religious reasons.

The article is long, but it is important reading. I am listing links to two videos at the end. One boy's foot is swollen and cut, and his urine was bloody. They told him he was okay.

Children were reportedly hurt at nearly a dozen Florida facilities.

The sun had not yet risen over the Christian military home when Samson Lehman collapsed for the sixth time. Still, he said, they made him run.

The screaming, the endless exercise, it was all in the name of God, a necessary step at the Gateway Christian Military Academy on the path to righteousness.

So when Samson vomited, they threw him a rag. When his urine turned red, they said that was normal.

By Day 3, the 15-year-old was on the verge of death, his dehydrated organs shutting down.


Two videos of the abuse. It was not just the Florida School for Boys at Mariana, Florida, it is still going on. They shut down the School for Boys, and now they are realizing it is still going on.

http://bcove.me/jcxi7srh

http://bcove.me/rr0j49vr



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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:13 AM

1. You knew this might catch my eye, didn't you.....

K&R

...Read every square inch of everything you wrote or linked to. Another case of education, but this one mixed in with religion. Where is fucking Arne Duncan??????? Do you think PO knows anything about all these school related incidents? I mean this religious & charter school nonsense in FL and the rape issue in that Jefferson Co, OH school? I know PO lives in a sort of segregated bubble up there in the WH, but this is rediculous. These instances are as bad or worse than that Mormon debauchal a few years back...where was it? in TX or UT?

And what is wrong with parents who throw their kids in those religious boot camps in FL? Kids like that need psychological help and understanding if anything. Or maybe new parents. (Their parents are what made them like that, in the first place.) Unfuckingregulated religious schools. Now if that isn't a red flag, I don't know what a red flag is. And truth be known, their parents were probably physically and psychologically abusive to them too. Heck, my mind is going backwards and forwards, here. GDit, the abuse by whomever has got to stop in this country! We are looking more and more uncivilized as the days go on.

This just saddens me to no end. No end. An actual national investigative newsfuckingmedia would help, but we're fresh out of that now. Maybe we could forward this story to The Guardian.UK? They have investigative news reporters over here. What think?

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Response to ReRe (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:38 AM

5. The abuse at state school for boys in Florida went on for 100 years.

It was finally closed just last year I think. Or maybe early this year.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5030

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:20 AM

2. NOW the state wants to shut

the school down. If it wasn't for the TBT investigation, it wouldn't be on the radar. Sadly, all this school needs is some punky state certification and it'll be business as usual.

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Response to secondvariety (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:34 AM

4. It took the Times as St. Pete Times to get the School for Boys closed.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/4136

Governors of both parties let this slide by.

The Times kept at it.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:11 AM

3. Poor kids, now they're gonna get victimized more than once.

First, they get victimized once, in these "substandard" schools. That count of one will be composed of multiple instances of victimization, such as a kid who is told blood in their urine is "normal". Then, they'll get victimized a second time when they are adults. This second set of victimizations will be composed of multiple instances when they're repeatedly met by a corporate-government culture that tells them education is a good, and necessary, thing, one that every employer will demand of them.

It also wouldn't be surprising if the abused kids are sent to some kind of counselling, where the two victimizations will be placed in an attempted context that education is a good thing, that they merely had a bad experience at an "unregulated" school, and their victimization actually had nothing to do with education as it "should" be practiced. They'll probably read in places that the problem wasn't the school where they experienced abuse, instead that it was the parents who sent them there that were the "real" problem.

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Response to Trillo (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 02:32 PM

11. RE: education is a good, and necessary, thing

Education is a good and necessary thing, one demand by the citizens of every advanced and progressive nation.

In fact, so fundamental that human society itself cannot be said to exist without it in some form

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 03:28 PM

12. Did I say it wasn't? NT

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Response to Trillo (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 03:41 PM

13. Reading you post, I had that impression. I'll read it again. nt

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 03:57 PM

14. It doesn't make sense, from the mind that was first mis-educated, to have more education.

Let me try to make my point clearer.

It is perhaps revealing to turn the mis-education example around and consider if someone reeducates a correct lesson: if you stick your hand in a fire, and learn it burns, then if someone else tries to teach you that you can stick your hand in a fire and not get burned, you'll tend to reject the retraining, as you should. The problem is what learning occurs first. Now, consider what happens if mistraining had first occurred. Consider the hypothetical that a school says to put your hand in a fire (not much different than "don't worry about blood in your urine"), so you do, and thus you get burned. Now, you're going to consider everything that school says as suspect. Because you first learned the school told a harmful lie, further efforts at retraining will always be "suspect", your mind will always, unfortunately, tell you that. That is the second victimization.

There's a whole bunch of reading available from the search string, "the difficulties of mistraining" (no hyphen in "mistraining"). If you don't like the term, try "the difficulties of re-education". Both come with revealing glimpses of incorrect first training.

The only way to fix it, is not to train incorrectly in the first place.

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Response to Trillo (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 04:18 PM

15. In actual fact, I believe I have observed this phenomenon...

...in various discussion forums that I participate in. I spend a certain amount of time interacting with libertarian / anarchists attempting to provide a rational and reasonable perspective dissenting from their extremist ideology. Many in this group object to public education but some go further an object to any sort of directed, organized education at all. In both cases I argue for compulsory, publicly supported education.

In some cases, the arguments I hear seem to be motivated simply by an intellectual adherence to a faulty ideology. In many cases, however, it seems more personal than that - it seems to be motivated by a personal negative experience with an negligent or deliberately harmful institution.

Nothing as bad as in the OP however. Sometimes those who are a bit more intelligent and sensitive than others can take a less-than-perfect experience a bit harder than others.

My frequent exposure to these ideological attacks on public education is probably why I read your post the way I did. Thanks for the clarification.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:26 PM

6. The exemption.

This torture was made possible by an exemption for a religious group. They didn't need to follow state laws, federal laws or even accepted laws of human dignity. I understand the need for religious freedom. It is necessary for anyone in this country to be free to have their belief or no belief what so ever. Above all else we exist in as a nation of laws. These laws are for the protection of all citizens. There are laws that are written to protect the weakest of us all, namely children. It is past time to stop giving a free pass to groups that harm children in the name of religion or any other ridiculous nonsense.

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Response to DavidWD72 (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:32 PM

7. And a big amen to that.

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Response to DavidWD72 (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:14 PM

16. Great comment. Welcome to DU.

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Response to DavidWD72 (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:41 AM

18. Yes, you are exactly right.

Welcome to DU! Glad to have you here.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:40 PM

8. They need to dig up the state graveyards and do forensic studies on every body.

all kids,( now adults) who went through these unregulated charities need to be screened for their stories.

Charges should be pressed against the entire staff. Lock them up forever. Remove any church assets to payback some of the millions in state and federal money they scammed for and help the victims.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:45 PM

9. These places scam for parents insurance money,state and federal money.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 02:04 PM

10. Florida has let this kind of thing go on way too long.

50 years and many governors ignoring the state school for boy which was just recently closed. 50 years! Not surprised they are late getting around to those schools with religious exemptions.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:06 PM

17. there are private homes

that house people with mental illness... since section 8 is near impossible to get nowadays... Religious based housing that forces mentally ill people in their care off their meds because they think jesus will heal them isn't an anomaly. Some of these facilities are run by churches indirectly as money makers and religion pushing.Some take in minors and force them off medications doctors order for them. It's all done "cold turkey" Often including pain meds.

This crap is going on under the radar all over this country.Thanks to Bush-hole letting the fucking asshole churches "help"the mentally ill.

IMHO some fundy churches like assemblies of god are too religious to run anything,yet they run alcohol rehab centers,housing.etc.Without a clue to how much danger they put EVERYONE in with their sick ass beliefs they impose on vulnerable people.While they run "gold tooth"scams in Brazil.

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