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Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:29 PM

Ex-film star Bardot may seek Russian nationality

Source: Reuters

Former French screen goddess Brigitte Bardot on Friday threatened to follow Gerard Depardieu in asking for a Russian passport, in protest not at tax hikes, but at the treatment of two circus elephants.

The animals, named Baby and Nepal and owned by a touring circus, are thought to be carrying tuberculosis and were ordered to be put down by a court in Lyon, southern France, on Friday as a precautionary measure.

Bardot's threat comes a day after fellow actor Depardieu caused a storm in France by becoming a Russian citizen in protest at high tax rates proposed by the Socialist government, which he accuses of penalizing success.

"If those in power are cowardly and impudent enough to kill the elephants... then I have decided I will ask for Russian nationality to get out of this country which has become nothing more than an animal cemetery," Bardot said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/04/entertainment-us-bardot-elephants-idUSBRE9030I720130104

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Reply Ex-film star Bardot may seek Russian nationality (Original post)
Redfairen Jan 2013 OP
samsingh Jan 2013 #1
Berlum Jan 2013 #2
EC Jan 2013 #3
MADem Jan 2013 #8
EC Jan 2013 #39
MADem Jan 2013 #40
Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #4
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #5
NICO9000 Jan 2013 #11
OldEurope Jan 2013 #15
RebelOne Jan 2013 #32
MADem Jan 2013 #41
struggle4progress Jan 2013 #12
Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #21
Pauldg47 Jan 2013 #6
duffyduff Jan 2013 #7
cosmicone Jan 2013 #9
closeupready Jan 2013 #14
cosmicone Jan 2013 #24
mostlyconfused Jan 2013 #16
cosmicone Jan 2013 #26
happyslug Jan 2013 #19
cosmicone Jan 2013 #23
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #25
happyslug Jan 2013 #36
TlalocW Jan 2013 #10
closeupready Jan 2013 #13
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #33
closeupready Jan 2013 #37
Crowman1979 Jan 2013 #17
slackmaster Jan 2013 #18
Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #22
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #30
daleo Jan 2013 #42
merrily Jan 2013 #28
slackmaster Jan 2013 #29
merrily Jan 2013 #38
Pachamama Jan 2013 #20
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #27
JI7 Jan 2013 #31
Ken Burch Jan 2013 #35
Ken Burch Jan 2013 #34
CTyankee Jan 2013 #43

Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:30 PM

1. wow

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:31 PM

2. Say it ain't so, Ms. Bardot

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:33 PM

3. She really thinks the

Russians are better in the way they treat animals?

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Response to EC (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:52 PM

8. Really--aren't they famous for screwing with BEARS?

I don't think they have strong laws against animal cruelty, in any event.

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Response to MADem (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 03:58 PM

39. yeah, performing bears is what I recall ... n/t

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Response to EC (Reply #39)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 04:08 PM

40. This move isn't about the animals, it's about the Benjamins (the Euro equivalent, in any event). nt

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:35 PM

4. Weird... I thought she was progressive (given her animal rights activism)...

...now, she's complaining about taxes?

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:36 PM

5. If you look at the piece, it says not tax related.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:28 PM

11. She loves animals - not so fond of humans however

She was a big supporter of the racist politician Jean Marie Pen in the 90s. She also keeps getting cited for anti-Muslim speech.

A beautiful woman once; now just a crazy old racist!

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Response to NICO9000 (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:45 PM

15. This!

she is a jerk, IMHO

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Response to NICO9000 (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:07 PM

32. As the line goes in Diamonds Are A Girl's Best Friend:

"We all get old in the end." I am on her side. I am old and and an animal lover. I am also not so fond of humans.

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Response to NICO9000 (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 04:09 PM

41. Le Pen was bad enough, his daughter even worse! She is a crazy old racist! nt

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:33 PM

12. Bardot fined for 'race hate' book (2004)

Last Updated: Thursday, 10 June, 2004, 14:30 GMT 15:30 UK

French film legend Brigitte Bardot has been fined 5,000 euros (3,301) for inciting racial hatred in a book.

The charges against Bardot, 69, related to her best-seller, A Cry In The Silence, in which she said she "opposed the Islamisation of France" ...

In her book she wrote about issues such as racial mixing, immigration, the role of women in politics and Islam.

The book also contained a section attacking what she called the mixing of genes and praised previous generations who, she said, had given their lives to push out invaders ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3794513.stm

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:26 PM

21. Wow! Fuck her!!!

My bad... I thought she was human.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:36 PM

6. Cowardly.....

...why doesn't she be an advocate and stop that?

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:43 PM

7. She is just pathetic

I don't know why anybody thinks there is anything admirable about this bigoted misanthrope.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:53 PM

9. Let's face it

75% tax is confiscatory

Anything over 50% is confiscatory and will result in capital flight.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:43 PM

14. Why don't you move off to Somalia then?

I'm sure they'd welcome you and your money with open arms.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:56 PM

24. Why move myself to Somalia?

There are better ways than that ...

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:55 PM

16. But we also have to face something else

Anything under 50% will have almost zero impact on reducing the deficit. A raise in the top marginal rate from 35% to 39% takes care of about 2% of the annual deficit. Raising that top rate to 100% would not address the deficit.

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Response to mostlyconfused (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:58 PM

26. That is correct

if

a) you want to pay the deficit solely from taxes in the current dynamics and

b) if you don't see the benefit of some reduction in the deficit which frees up capital for businesses to expand and thus increases the tax base. This is what happened during the Clinton years.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:03 PM

19. The US rate from WWII to the 1960s was 90%

From the 1960s to Reagan it was 70%.

Please note this is the TOP RATE, what less then 1 % of the population pays.

On top of that the this is the TOP RATE on a GRADUATED INCOME TAX. In an Graduated Income Tax, different rates kick in as your income increase, but the increase is NOT on total Income but what ever is the rate set for that higher income bracket. Thus, this 75% may be for income over $100,000 (I do NOT know how France breaks up its Rate, I am using $100,000 as an example). Thus if your income is less then $100,000, you are taxed at the lower rate (For this example I using two rates 25% and 75%, again I do NOT know the exact tax rates in France, I am trying to explain what a graduated Income tax works).

Given my example, anyone making less then $100,000 has to pay $25,000 in income taxes. If someone makes $200,000, that person pays 25% on the FIRST $100,000 (i.e. $25,000) and then 75% tax on the second $100,000 of the $200,000 earned (Or $75,000, which when added to the $25,000 taxes due on the First $100,000 comes to $100,000).

Thus for a person making $200,000 a year, a 75% top rate is an effective tax rate of just 50% ($25,000 plus $75,000 is $100,000, which is 50% of $200,000).

Now, before you cry about people making more then $200,000, lets understand most people making that much money per year, the income is NOT from wages but from investments (Capital Gains). Prior to Reagan, when the US Tax rate was 70%, Capital Gains were classified as "Long Term" an investment made more then Five year before, or "Short Term" for income from investments made less then five years before. Short term Capital Gains were treated as if it was ordinary income, Long Term Capital Gain were subject to a 50% disregard, i.e If from investments you made 1 Million Dollars, but it due to an investment made more then five years before, when you cashed in the investment, you only had to pay taxes on 50% of the Million or $500,000. Given the numbers I used above, the first $100,000 is liable for $25,000 in taxes, and the remaining $400,000 is liable to the 75% tax or $300,000, for a total tax of $325,000 on a One Million Dollar gain.

I Suspect this is what the French had adopted, a top rate of 75% subject to a Capital Gain set off (probably 50% but I do NOT know). The advantage of such a system is it punish stock brokers and speculators, since they do NOT hold investments for Five years or longer, they gains, if they exceed the top tax rate, are taxable at the 75% rate. On the other hand, long term investors, if they income exceeds the top tax rate, pays 75% on only 50% of their income (Or 37.5%).

Just note, the US BOOMED when it had a 90% top tax rate, subject to the 50% disregard. Such a tax systems takes most of its money from speculators, while providing long term investors a solid gain after taxes.

When I was in what I call "Accounting U" or Robert Morris Collage (now Robert Morris University, but its name in 1900 was the Pittsburgh School of Accounting and when I was in still graduated more then 90% accounting majors) we talked about Reagan's change and Reagan's decision to drop Long Term Capital Gain. To be honest we failed to see how that drop would encourage speculators to manipulate the Market (THe Congress of the 1930s did UNDERSTAND that problem and came up with this excellent solution to end most short term speculation, let the Government get most of the money from Speculation, while making sure investors get most of their gain from their investments).

Since Reagan Long Term Capital Gain has come back, but to reduce the already low level of taxation on investors including speculators. I see this move to a 75% top tax rate as a return to the system that worked from WWII till Reagan, it basically confiscated gains do to speculation, while rewarding investment. It is a system we need to return to, and I see France is leading the way.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:51 PM

23. That would be fair

If 75% is taxed on all income above a certain threshold but a lower rate below that limit is not a problem.

I believe what France was trying to do was tax the entire income at 75% just because someone made a lot of money.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:57 PM

25. Nope

its only a marginal rate. At issue is that it should have been applied to "households" : not individuals as was expressed by mistake.

For clarity thats with reference to current issues in France.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:08 PM

36. It is clearly a top rate, for people earning more then 1.3 million dollars

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17189739

The present tax rate for a single person is as follows (The tax rate in France is based on household not individuals. The Rates below are the same, but the income brackets are higher depending if you have more then one adult in your household)
0% tax rate below 5,875 Euros
5.5% tax rate between 5,875 and 11,720 Euros
14% tax rate on between 11,720 and 26,030 Euros
30% tax rate on between 26,030 and 69,873 Euros
41% tax rate on any income over 69,873 Euros

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_France

The proposed change is 75% rate on income over 1 million Euros. It was struck ed down, but on the grounds it was written on individual and the Euro treaty says income taxes will be on households. Thus this is on Income over one million Euro per household.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:07 PM

10. Hope she likes those big fur hats the Russians wear



TlalocW

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:41 PM

13. Oh, please - you homophobic tax cheat.

I'm sure they won't want your used up ... whatever.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:08 PM

33. I can't find any links to her being a tax cheat.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:48 PM

37. Oh, okay - I thought I'd read something about her, but

maybe not. If I can find a link I'll post it.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:01 PM

17. So she's wants to obtain a nationality from a country that treats animals a lot worse?!?!

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:02 PM

18. Not guilty!

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:29 PM

22. Much of what i know abut her comes from John Lennon...

According to several biographers, BB was his "dream woman". I always thought that she must be special for Lennon to be fixated on her. I'm sure if he were alive today, he'd feel differently...

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:30 PM

30. But he'd still be

both homophobic and anti-semitic. Thats going by the fact that if someone was bigotted in the past they remain so today.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #30)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 07:32 PM

42. People change, for better and worse

I have seen bigots mellow out and become quite tolerant. I have also seen the reverse happen.

I have seen more of the former than the latter, but that's just one person's observations.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:12 PM

28. For your sake, I hope the last 50 or so years have been kind to her.

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Response to merrily (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:21 PM

29. The last 15 or 20 have certainly not been kind to her

 

She held up quite well until past 60.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:45 AM

38. Good for her!

Someone that beautiful physically usually does hold up well 9and airbrushing and/or good lighting are wonderful thing for those who aren't as fortunate).

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 04:00 PM

20. Madame Bardot should talk to Pussy Riot before she thinks Russia is going to be her answer...

While I applaud her zealous work on behalf of animal rights, she might want to consider how Russia view's the rights of humans before she runs off to them thinking its a sanctuary...

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:05 PM

27. She didn't say she intended to live there.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:31 PM

31. she hates gays and immigrants but she is a huge Animal lover, it's weird

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Response to JI7 (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:14 PM

35. Makes sense, really. You don't see that many gay immigrant animals.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:13 PM

34. Would anybody in France actually MIND?

Brigitte Bardot has been a bigoted whackjob for decades now...she somehow tied animal rights to support for neofascism(the FN party).

Russia should feel just like home to her.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 07:47 PM

43. Yeah, I hope she enjoys the bread she gets in Russia! Not like Paris...

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