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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:19 PM

Venezuela slams 'psychological war' over Chavez health

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Source: AFP

Venezuela accused the international media of waging a "psychological war" over President Hugo Chavez's health to try to destabilize the government and bring down its socialist revolution.

The hardline stance was adopted after Vice President Nicolas Maduro returned from a visit with the ailing Chavez in Cuba, where he is suffering from complications more than three weeks after undergoing cancer surgery.

Information Minister Ernesto Villegas said a "severe pulmonary infection" that Chavez developed after the surgery had led to a "respiratory insufficiency" requiring strict adherence to his treatment.

Villegas then leveled the charge that the president's health had become the target of a campaign to destabilize the government and finish off its socialist revolution.

Read more: http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/venezuela-slams-psychological-war-over-chavez-health-040020166.html



Won't be long now before the US gets blamed for Hugo's condition.

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Reply Venezuela slams 'psychological war' over Chavez health (Original post)
Zorro Jan 2013 OP
zeemike Jan 2013 #1
JackRiddler Jan 2013 #3
joshcryer Jan 2013 #5
JackRiddler Jan 2013 #9
joshcryer Jan 2013 #11
JackRiddler Jan 2013 #24
joshcryer Jan 2013 #4
JackRiddler Jan 2013 #2
FresnoDemocrat Jan 2013 #6
ReRe Jan 2013 #10
Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #13
allrevvedup Jan 2013 #7
ReRe Jan 2013 #8
joshcryer Jan 2013 #12
ReRe Jan 2013 #14
joshcryer Jan 2013 #16
bitchkitty Jan 2013 #15
joshcryer Jan 2013 #17
bitchkitty Jan 2013 #18
joshcryer Jan 2013 #19
bitchkitty Jan 2013 #20
joshcryer Jan 2013 #21
bitchkitty Jan 2013 #22
joshcryer Jan 2013 #23
bitchkitty Jan 2013 #27
polly7 Jan 2013 #26
Bacchus4.0 Jan 2013 #25
Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #28
Lasher Jan 2013 #29

Response to Zorro (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:57 PM

1. Probably...and it is so unfair

Cause the CIA would never do anything like that wold they?
But that is not the USA though...it is a shadow government that has it's own law or lack of it.

Is that source the AFP the Americans For Prosperity?

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Response to zeemike (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:37 AM

3. AFP = Agence France Press

Usually not very different from AP or especially Reuters when it comes to taking every possible cheap shot at Chavez and the will of the Venezuelan majority.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:57 AM

5. You can't make such a broad brush of the newswire...

...the cheap shot was by the OP, not AFP here. In fact, I'd challenge you to quote the "cheap shot" in Jim Mannion's AFP article.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:58 AM

9. I didn't say this about the article, so whatevs.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:31 AM

11. I just think it's lame to crap on the newswire...

...when it's mostly composed of independent writers who have their own take.

It's usually dry and non-editoralized. Yes there are some crappy journalists out there, and yes you can argue that at times Reuters has a more right wing stance than say, AP or AFP, but generally they all do a damn decent job.

And AFP is one of the better ones out there. Don't broad brush a whole system of reporting, go after the reporter, imo.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:21 AM

24. Very nice of you to take a nuanced view of AFP...

as if it was merely the journalists who determine what goes out on the wire, as if there were no editors or policy or consistency of line on certain subjects, like VZ.

It's kind of funny how this comes from someone who's always, always demonizing the CIA enemy of the week. I'm not going to go on a 900-thread kick against AFP. You should be a quarter as fair in your approach to Venezuela. I also await your nuanced view of RT, Press TV, Telesur, etc.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:55 AM

4. As Jack said, AFP is just newswire.

Independent reporters write for the newswires around the world (AFP, AP, Reuters). Jim Mannion is the originator of this article. I don't see anything controversial about his reports, though. He's reported about climate change before, and therefore I see no reason to be biased against him (anyone reporting the truth about climate change automatically gets a point or two in my eyes).

Here's the BBC which refers to the same themes in this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20907387

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:36 AM

2. Your reaction is predictable since you have made yourself...

a volunteer in this very obvious psychological warfare on Venezuela, which is being waged, with Chavez's condition as the pretext, by the usual suspects, from CIA and Nuland, to the oligarchs here and there, to the oligarch media, and on down to the local volunteer repeaters.

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:46 AM

6. Well

I can't exactly say I'll be shedding very many tears if he dies. His achievements are good, but the way he goes about it, blaming foreigners for all his problems, surrounding himself with lackeys and yes-men, and running a personally-governed rentier state prone to corruption and cronyism, even though he has a popular mandate and needs to do none of these things, really just rub me the wrong way.

I wish more leftist leaders weren't total dickcheeses like him. Maybe then the Crazy-Baggers wouldn't be so powerful.

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Response to FresnoDemocrat (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:03 AM

10. What is so "dickcheesey" about him?

He called GWB evil incarnate at the podium at the UN. I agreed! Yeah, he's a little loose with his mouth sometimes, but he isn't afraid of the big bad wolf of the northern hemisphere, is he? I won't shed any tears if he dies either, but the USG needs to think twice before they start meddling in their business. They are a sovereign nation. International law-wise and all. BTW, for my own education, exactly what does "dickcheese" mean? Like "dickhead"? "Dickwad"? "Dickless"?

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Response to FresnoDemocrat (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:55 AM

13. "I wish more leftist leaders weren't total dickcheeses like him."

Don't you imagine attacking the left would be more logical at a right-wing message board?

What the hey is a "dickcheese"? Do you use this word frequently around human beings?

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:25 AM

7. BBC World radio is running a regular celebrity death watch

 

lacking only a bucket of iced champagne ready to uncork when the glorious moment arrives. Last year they were all Arab spring all the time, this year so far it's Indian misogyny, African female entrepreneurs (English-speaking, natch) and Venezuelan regime change. Every hour lately they run a snotty update embellished with giggles and snide remarks, delivered in that cornball Thatcherese that's supposed to make us Anglophile Americans melt with envy. I hate those sick f#cks and I hate NPR for getting in bed with them.

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:45 AM

8. FYI

Did you see/hear the statement from the U.S. State Dept press sec about this issue about a week or so ago? I seen it right here on DU. It stuck out like a sore thumb to me. Whether you like it or not, the USG is beginning to stick it's nose in their business because it looks like Chavez may be getting ready to kick the bucket. And you do know that the USG, via the CIA, was at the bottom of that little coup they tried down there (and failed) when he first came in? They have oil. And they are socialist. And they don't bow to the USA anymore. No, we won't get blamed for Cavez's condition, but you can bet your sweet bippy we will be at the bottom of trying to destabilize their society/country. They are being kind by blaming it on the press. Agree? No?

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Response to ReRe (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:46 AM

12. Really? They "don't bow to the USA anymore"?

The statistics tell otherwise: http://www.eia.gov/countries/cab.cfm?fips=VE

Tell me about Rio+20, why don't ya.

They might trash talk the USA with mind numbing double speak but they are following USA fossil policies right down the roadmap the USA wants.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:07 AM

14. Whew! Those are some serious links, there!

OK...I read and read and read. First question is: What is this "U.S. Energy Information Administration"? Why does the site not have "US.gov" in it somewhere? Looks like a government inside of our government? Are we in cahoots with Venezuela in the oil business? Way over my pay-grade. Interpret it for me... (If you don't mind)

Then, yes it looks like Venezuela is in a sea pollution race with the US. And neither of us want to cooperate in the world pollution conferences. And yes, they are as bad as we are.

But surely, you know what I was saying don't you? It had to do with international relations, not the environment and and all the lying we both participate in concerning the environment?

Why don't you comment on what I spoke of? Do I need to go look up all the hair-splitting details of that coup, GWs relations with Chavez, and international relations all the way back to Iran and the hostage crisis? This is just a general discussion here.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:16 AM

16. I'm just saying the anti-imperialist anti-globalist rhetoric is just that.

Rhetoric. It's not real. It's mainly for Venezuelan consumption. It's propaganda. Lies. The US doesn't take it seriously because the USA gets massive profits for refining Venezuelan oil. If you read that link you'll find that Venezuela pays $200 per barrel of refined, imported, gasoline which they sell to the people at $5 a barrel.

It paid about $200 a barrel for petrol it imported at current market prices and sold it domestically for about $5, said a former PDVSA official who asked not to be identified because he was not authorised to speak publicly about the issue.


I'm making a general comment about blatant propaganda. The Emmanuel Goldstein. The evil empire.

To clear up that site, the statistics come from EIA.gov. Any site that ends with .gov is an official USA government website. EIA just compiles energy statistics, like how the FBI compiles crime data or the NWS compiles temperature (and other weather related) data. They're all administrations or services that the US government has created.

What sucks the most about it is that the Boligarchs are getting rich off of this gross mismanagement and adherence to globalism and faux-anti-imperialism.

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:59 AM

15. They're right -

it is a psychological war, and the other side is filled with stinking, low life, putrid gas bags who fill up the media, message boards, chat rooms, everywhere, with their disgusting spew of right wing propaganda.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:20 AM

17. One side calls the other side lots of nasty things.

One side, for example, called the opposition "big fa***ts" and indeed the person who said that was selected by Chavez to (run to) be the next President of Venezuela. Really nasty vile creature, that bigoted person is. Homophobic slurs, anti-semitic slurs, murders, assassination attempts, political violence ordered from the top, human rights violations, they're all chavista acts.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:33 AM

18. Why on earth would you

reply to my post about right wingers on message boards, with a defensive stance about how mean Chavez supporters are?

Never mind, I know why....

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:35 AM

19. Just explaining that the real world nastiness of Chavistas...

...is far more wide reaching and damaging to left ideals than ones (false, misleading, dishonest, nasty) perceptions of other forum goers and chatroom posters.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:33 AM

20. I am sure that the Left

will remain forever grateful that they have you to set them straight on what constitutes left ideals...

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:36 AM

21. It does seem that supposed leftists have trouble with them.



Defending a person or a corrupt ideology because it calls itself left when it is merely left in disguise.

I'm sure you'll come out against the vile right wing chavista acts in due course (all of which I can back up, each and every one).

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:43 AM

22. Certainly no need

to defend yourself to me.

I see what you're trying to say. You're trying to be Fair. You're trying to remain Balanced. Fair and Balanced. Just like Fox News!

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:59 AM

23. Not at all.

I'm on the offense, as you can see.

Perhaps you should chastise Chavez' selected candidate for Presidency over his homophobic bigoted statements if you're going to convince me you care about left ideals. Because I'm hardly convinced. I think there's a lot of ignorance here of what chavistas really stand for.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:59 PM

27. I love most of what could be termed "latino culture".

Homophobia and male chauvinism are parts of the culture that I do not like. However, in time this will change. And it's BECAUSE of the Revolution that this will change.

Maduro making a faux pas is not enough to put me off the Bolivarian revolution.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:48 AM

26. You are a very, very kind person.




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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:43 AM

25. they are blaming the US for the "manipulations" already. from the article:

"We know that the United States is where these manipulations are being managed," he said. "They think that their time has come. And we have entered a kind of crazy hour of offensive by the right, here and internationally."

One day Chavez is doing exercises and walking, and now its "respiratory insufficiency". Who is playing psycological games?

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:32 PM

28. Continuity Likely Even Without Chávez

Continuity Likely Even Without Chávez

Mark Weisbrot is the co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. He is also president of Just Foreign Policy.

Updated January 4, 2013, 1:00 PM

Since Hugo Chávez first took office, he and his party have won 13 of 14 national elections, mainly because they greatly improved the living standards of the majority of voters in Venezuela. Since 2004, after the economy recovered from the devastating opposition oil strike, poverty has been cut by half and extreme poverty by more than 70 percent.

And this measures only cash income: millions of people also got access to health care for the first time, and access to education also increased sharply, with college enrollment doubling and free tuition for many. Eligibility for public pensions tripled; and in the past two years the government has built hundreds of thousands of houses. Most of the poverty reduction came from increased employment, not “government handouts,” and during most of Chávez’s tenure the private sector has grown faster than the public sector. These numbers are not really in dispute among economists or international statistical agencies. If you follow Venezuela and haven’t heard any of this, it’s because the news media is giving you the equivalent of a “tea party” view of the country.

Also, the 20 years prior to Chávez were an economic disaster, with per capita income actually falling between 1980 and 1998. So naturally most people have noticed the difference. Is this progress sustainable? The press focuses on Venezuela’s inflation, which, at just under 18 percent is about the highest in the region. However it has come down from 28.2 percent in 2010, even as the economy has recovered and growth has accelerated. This shows that the government can bring inflation down with the right policies. Chávez’s party won in 20 of 23 states during a regional election on Dec. 16, even with Chávez himself absent from the campaign trail. This indicates that his successor will likely win if he should step down.

This should not be surprising. All of the left-leaning governments in South America -- Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia and Uruguay -- have been re-elected, some repeatedly, for similar reasons: they have brought real economic and social change and significant improvements in living standards for the majority.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/01/03/venezuela-post-chavez/venezuelans-will-vote-with-their-wallets

(No more to this article at link.)

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:35 PM

29. Locking...

After discussion, we LBN Hosts have decided this a minor development of an ongoing story. Please consider posting this information as a reply in one of these earlier LBN threads:

Venezuelans Offer Prayers, Songs for Hugo Chavez

With Chavez sicker, Venezuela axes New Year party

Hugo Chavez: Venezuela leader suffers 'new complications'

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