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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:50 PM

Think tank to study privatizing most Postal Service operations

Source: washington post

As members of Congress pledged Thursday to revive legislation to save the financially ailing U.S. Postal Service, a Washington think tank announced it will conduct an independent study of how the quasi-government agency could cede much of its operation to private companies.

The review by the nonprofit National Academy of Public Administration will analyze the benefits of restoring the agency’s financial health by using a “hybrid” model, which would farm out to the private sector postal operations other than the last delivery mile. A letter carrier would still drive or walk that last part, dropping letters and packages in mailboxes.

“Just as private companies innovate and share supply chains in high-tech, automobile, and other industries today, the market will drive efficiencies in the postal network,” a group of privatization advocates wrote in a short paper previewing the deeper review.

The study is likely to bring more attention to a public-private model as a viable — and controversial— substitute for the Postal Service’s existing structure, which relies on a unionized workforce of more than 650,000 employees to sort, package, transport and deliver the mail. With first-class mail volume plummeting as Americans conduct more business and communications through the Internet, the Postal Service lost $16 billion in fiscal 2012.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/think-tank-to-study-privatizing-most-postal-service-operations/2013/01/03/2adc0b08-55ed-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html

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Reply Think tank to study privatizing most Postal Service operations (Original post)
alp227 Jan 2013 OP
Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #1
southern_belle Jan 2013 #9
Festivito Jan 2013 #15
Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #19
Festivito Jan 2013 #22
Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #36
Festivito Jan 2013 #43
iemitsu Jan 2013 #59
Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #20
Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #18
yurbud Jan 2013 #41
Atman Jan 2013 #51
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #62
pmorlan1 Jan 2013 #55
bl968 Jan 2013 #2
MBS Jan 2013 #45
Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2013 #58
CurtEastPoint Jan 2013 #3
snacker Jan 2013 #4
amandabeech Jan 2013 #16
mac56 Jan 2013 #25
amandabeech Jan 2013 #34
mac56 Jan 2013 #35
amandabeech Jan 2013 #49
MBS Jan 2013 #46
TDale313 Jan 2013 #28
cprise Jan 2013 #29
McCamy Taylor Jan 2013 #5
Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #7
Lordquinton Jan 2013 #27
Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #30
Skittles Jan 2013 #33
Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #39
frazzled Jan 2013 #6
Historic NY Jan 2013 #8
2Design Jan 2013 #10
amandabeech Jan 2013 #17
Gman Jan 2013 #11
glinda Jan 2013 #12
Uniblab Jan 2013 #13
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ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2013 #40
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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:54 PM

1. Fuck them neo-lib bastards! Jesus I hate these people!

Anything to get their business owning buddy's hands in the pot o' cash and to bust unions.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:16 PM

9. +1000

Damn right! I hear you!

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:51 PM

15. You mean neo-CON bastards, trying to bust unions.

It is the Republicans who make a company, here the USPS, fund 75 years of retirement ahead of time and ridiculously to do so in ten years -- the self-described conservatives and neo-cons.

It is the media that refuses to report the ridiculousness of these Republican required payments.

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Response to Festivito (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:04 AM

19. Actually I did mean neo-lib. Most repukes are neoliberals as far as I can tell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
Neoliberalism refers to economic liberalizations, free trade and open markets, privatization, deregulation, and increasing the role of the private sector in modern society. Today the term is mostly used as a general condemnation of policies that deregulate and increase the role of the private sector.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:30 AM

22. That's from the 1930s. It changed in 30 years. Now, it's another 30+ years.

Also from your wiki reference:

In the sixties, usage of the term "neoliberal" heavily declined. When the term was reintroduced in the following decades, the meaning had shifted. The term neoliberal is now normally associated with laissez-faire economic policies, and is used mainly by those who are critical of legislative market reform.


The meaning of neoliberalism has changed over time and come to mean different things to different groups. As a result, it is very hard to define. This is seen by the fact that authoritative sources on neoliberalism, such as Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, David Harvey and Noam Chomsky do not agree about the meaning of neoliberalism.


Your use of neo-lib as a bad thing is left to imply that liberal is wrong. That does not bode well for us around here.

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Response to Festivito (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:57 AM

36. I don't think it's appropriate to conflate

Neoliberal economic doctrine and it's adherents with political liberalism and the Democratic party.
When one can describe both Bill Clinton and Milton Friedman as Neoliberal, well, that should illustrate the point that the term "neoliberal" is not addressing a particular political party.

#!

In the link, Chomsky talks about the anti-democratic effect of Neoliberal doctrine. He points out indeed how striking it is to see that "every element of the Neoliberal Package is specifically designed to undercut democracy." Near the end he talks about the idea of privatization as a neoliberal mantra, and how privatization by definition undercuts democracy by removing something from the public arena and putting it in the hands of unaccountable private tyrannies that are created and supported by the state which is what corporations are." This is especially germane to the conversation we're having here about privatizing the public postal service.

The meaning of neoliberalism has changed over time and come to mean different things to different groups. As a result, it is very hard to define. This is seen by the fact that authoritative sources on neoliberalism, such as Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, David Harvey and Noam Chomsky do not agree about the meaning of neoliberalism.


I referenced the wikipedia article as a quick and dirty explanation of why I chose the word. You quoted this section on how the term seems to have an unsettled meaning. I suspect that if these intellectual giants are lacking agreement, we'll find ourselves at a similar impasse, but I hope you better understand why I chose the word and can be assured that I did not chose it to denigrate the democratic party except where it's members are prone to ascribe to neoliberal doctrine.


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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:20 AM

43. I see. Them economically-neo-lib bastards, lacks the same flair.

Or, them University-of-Chicago-school-economically-(not-politically)-neo-lib bastards lacks that succinct impact.

I see that you mean well, and I think you see that I mean well. The prolific troll postings around here have made me assimilate to your nom de plume.

So, I'll stick with them Milton-Friedman bastards and you continue with them neo-lib bastards to our hearts content. After all, a more perfect union does not start off perfectly.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:09 AM

59. Actually neo-liberalism's definition has not changed, Chomsky is using it correctly.

The problem is that most Americans use the term, neo-conservative to mean neo-liberalism. This is unique to the United States, the rest of the world understands the denotation of the term.
Liberalism is a term associated with the American Revolution and the "free-market" economy.
Our conservatives, who push neo-liberal policies, have issues with anything called liberal, and they certainly don't want their minions having to grapple with accepting policies tied to such labels (having been conditioned to respond to the word with the unthinking, auto-hate response) so, conversely, we liberals are not prepared to think of liberal policies as promoting business/free-market ethics.
That is why many liberals prefer the term progressive to describe their political philosophy. But even that term has its problems. Most people think that progress is a good thing, a thing worth pursing. Progressive political thought believes that through the application of science and reason mankind can and ought to improve the human condition.
We all have our own notions of what kinds of progress would actually improve our lives and the lives of others. And some of the policies that many think would improve our lives is not easily quantified or measured like, less stressful lives, living in harmony with man and nature, or being treated with respect.
Without measured progress to justify government spending it is hard to defend continuing these programs, so progressives came up with a standard measure for progress. Progress is measured by the accumulation of material goods and wealth. Within a capitalist society this was the logical proof that one's life was improving.
But many American progressives/liberals don't actually see progress and material gain as the same goal. Those, who think that we need to promote sustainable lifestyles and protect the environment, in my opinion, are the true progressives but in order for them to achieve their goals, progress must be redefined.
Imprecise or inaccurate usage of words is problematic in society. It has gotten to the point where the same words inform two different realities in America.

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Response to Festivito (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:06 AM

20. But I whole-heartedly agree with your analysis of the media and the idiotic funding requirements

designed to have this precise effect on the postal service. Designed to make then not operationally viable.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:58 PM

18. I know! It makes me so angry! nt

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:07 AM

41. yep

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:10 AM

51. First target: that giant pension fund.

Assholes. Just part of their long-term plan.

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Response to Atman (Reply #51)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:33 AM

62. Yep..that has been the idea behind all this P.O. 'scare"

Plus, privatization means layoffs, reduced quality, increased prices
and of course union busting.
They wil buy out the "close to retirement" people,
cut services and workers.
Same pattern as we have seen for years.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:06 AM

55. Ditto

I agree. This just makes me sick.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:57 PM

2. Just say no!

The Constitution of the United States:

Article. I. Section. 8. Clause 7: The Congress shall have Power to establish Post Offices and post Roads;

It's a duty of the federal government.

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Response to bl968 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:24 AM

45. + 1000

The post office's current problems are directly a result of the ridiculous pension funding requirement, which was Congress's doing.
Please just fund the post office properly.
The post office has been doing a great job under unreasonable financial circumstances. People take the post office way too much for granted. (Just compare the functioning of the USPS to the postal service of other countries: we should be proud of the USPS)>

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Response to MBS (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:54 PM

58. You are right!

The Post Office gets a bad rap! Congress needs to change that riduculous rule and while we're at it, how did it pass in the first place, and even if first class mail is declining that isn't good enough to break up the PO and hand it over to private enterpise. Then the cost of a mailing to Miami from Seattle will be something like $5 instead of .45.............

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:58 PM

3. The reason the USPS is suffering is by Congress's own doing: making them fund

outrageous # of years ahead their pensions. It was done on purpose so they could privatize it and get rid of unions.

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:00 PM

4. Exactly! nt

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:56 PM

16. Plus a thousand.

It'll cost $50 to get a small envelope to my 91 year old mother in rural Michigan from here in the DC area.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:57 AM

25. Yup

Here's a post from my blog.

http://namebrandketchup.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/let-us-now-praise-the-united-states-postal-service/

USPS provides this country’s best value for the money. When another service can move a little girl’s birthday card from a small Minnesota town of 210 people all the way to Hawaii within a couple of days for just 45 cents, I’ll consider otherwise.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:40 AM

34. Small towns really depend on the PO.

There is no Fedex or UPS station in my Mom's town. The nearest is 20 miles away.

I didn't have problems with the PO until I moved to Maryland, but I've lived in so many places, and it is the only one that I have complaints about.

It's an old joke about the PO, but the reality is that it delivers so much mail accurately in a small amount of time for an extremely reasonable price.

Just the thing to make a bunch of wall streeters a bunch of money.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:57 AM

35. Among other reasons

many senior citizens I know look forward to the letter carrier's daily visit. Friendships are built and communities are developed. The Fedex or UPS driver won't have that same ability.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:22 AM

49. Yes, it does help.

Any regular contact is great for seniors, and a good letter carrier or rural delivery person can report that a senior has not been seen or is not going to the mailbox.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:25 AM

46. exactly right. thanks. n/t

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:04 AM

28. Absolutely. n/t

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:08 AM

29. +1000 Important context the corporate media is loathe to provide.


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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:00 PM

5. Watch millions lose mail service. And watch prices soar.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:05 PM

7. It's already efficient and inexpensive. It has to compete with private services already.

This is angling for the greedy bastards trying to get their hands in the money jar. This is union busting and it's disgusting.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:00 AM

27. It doesn't have to compete with the private services

the private services have to compete with them, that is the main drive to privatize everything, because good, well paid union labor is hard to compete against.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:10 AM

30. Competition is a two way street, buy yay for your enthusiasm. I like the spirit of your post. n/t

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:21 AM

33. yup

the idiots cheering the demise of USPS have NO idea what it will really mean

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Response to Skittles (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:00 AM

39. They really seem to long for a third world status for the US. It's so sad. n/t

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:04 PM

6. Noooooo!

I love my post office, and I love the ladies who have been working there since forever, who really know their stuff, and who earn a decent wage to live on.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:06 PM

8. You mean how to rip off the public, here come 5 dollar letters....

eliminate the pension overfunding......and revamp some usless operations. By all accounts the post offices guarentee Christmas delivery program was a success this season. They tried something new working with companies and business during the season to expedite shipping parcels.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:21 PM

10. haven't they learned yet that privatization is costly - decades of failure

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Response to 2Design (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:57 PM

17. Privitization never FAILS to make rich those who demanded the privitization.

Everything else goes to hell in a handbasket, though.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:27 PM

11. It doesn't take a think tank to figure out how to get them in financial shape

just stop the requirement pre-fund their pension funds for the next 75 years and do it in 10 years. That is so ridiculous that no government agency or business in the country does anything remotely similar.

The requirement was part of a plan to privatize it.

CHeck this out:
http://deliveringforamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/infographic_20120711.pdf

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:29 PM

12. They better leave the postal retirees' pensions alone!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:37 PM

13. I'm a mail carrier....

And the simple solution is to undo that union killing law Bush passed during the lame duck session. Making us pay 75 years of medical benefits to future retirees in a 10 year window. WTF? Bush's hope was to cripple the postal service and force it to be privatized . Thus, no more union. No company in the world could survive if they had to do this and Bush knew this. Fucking repugs are trying to destroy our jobs.

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Response to Uniblab (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:10 AM

31. +1000

You're right. The post office needs media to report that fact loud and clear. Privatization will cost workers and consumers. It is never the more cost effective solution. So lame that anyone would even consider this this day in age. Hopefully the government will wise up and do as you suggest.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:45 PM

14. I agree with everyone on this thread, this is fucked.

We won the election in 2008 and we one this last month. Obama and democrats are supposed to stop this insane give-away of the public commons, not endorse it.
We all need to be on the phones again to see if we can have some influence in this process.
I am sick to death of being sold down river by my own party. How dare they?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:17 AM

21. In related news, Koch Industries has privatized the State of Wisconsin.

Yeah, like both will happen

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:53 AM

23. Don't laugh too quickly

The privatizers are clever, devious, ruthless, and patient. And they *will* have the last laugh if we don't take them seriously.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:56 AM

24. Here in Oregon we've got vote by mail, which has been working great...

...so far. Now what are the possibilities of privately controlled entities "losing" ballots from certain districts? hmmm

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:00 AM

26. get rid of the fucking pension funding requirement. The post office operated profitablly

without tax dollars until the repukes put the pension funding burden on them!

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:20 AM

32. Now that the wholly manufactured "Fiscal Cliff" act is over for now....

... we must urgently raise the curtain on another wholly manufactured crisis act.

When are they gonna stop this theatre and really get something done.... like solve a real problem?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:00 AM

37. I have a plan!

Make postage stamps considerably more expensive, but each sent postage stamp will be redeemable for one large mug of beer at a bar.

I call it the Frank n' Stein Plan.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:00 AM

38. Yeah, and I bet you...

....they get their funding from the Koch Brothers (or their 0.01% ilk). Our postal system is just fine, thank you. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I'm sick and tired of think-tanks running our country, GDit! We've seen how privatizing works. If it ain't broke, they break it. Thanks, but no thanks, we're on to your "privatizing" scam.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:01 AM

40. The USPS is not "financially ailing", it's been looted by Repugs

...and privatizing it is only being done for the purpose of getting rid of the unions.

It was the GOP who passed legislation requiring the USPS to pre-find its retirement system 75 years in advance. And that's why it's "ailing" and that's the only reason. The GOP did this so they could claim that the USPS is "ailing", inefficient and therefore should be privatized. It's all a goddamned ruse to bust the unions.

Typical Republican criminal bullshit.

Edit: As others have pointed out here, this is just another effing manufactured crisis by the Repubs. The USPS isn't broke and neither is the US. All the money has been looted by Repigs and their corprat friends so the rest of us don't have any. Now, they're after the postal svc., Social Security, and Medicare. GOP wants ALL public funded institutions and programs privatized so their corprat friends and themselves can have all the money in and going to them from tax dollars. They're looting the entire nation right under our noses - selling the whole thing out to corprats here and abroad.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 04:08 AM

42. Precisely

It is doing just fine.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:45 AM

48. Union busting isn't the only reason

It is a very big one.

Another is the private sector really wants the USPS out of the overnight and two-day marketspace. The USPS does rapid delivery better and cheaper than the private sector. Can't have that!

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:45 AM

50. They will pare off anything that can make money

and leave the government to run what does not make money, and say how horrible government is because it runs at a deficit.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:26 AM

53. If that's their logic, they should cut down defense/pentagon spending

That's the biggest deficit-spending operation we have in the U.S. gov't. Funny how it's never mentioned for cuts.

Really though, these guys aren't driven by logic (obviously). They're only driven by sheer GREED. Pentagon/defense makes their corprat friends LOTs of money - taxpayer dollars going directly into corprat pockets. Oh they like that!

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:22 AM

44. Can't wait to start paying more for less!

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:39 AM

47. Time to start paying for junk mail

 

and re-connection fees for the utility bills that show up a week after the power was cut off.
Welcome to Neo-con paradise 2.0,hey,it worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan that they want it here:
[link:http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/home/articles/general/388-there-was-a-plan-to-rebuild-iraq-but-it-didnt-work|

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:23 AM

52. I live in a small town

we don't even have a mail box. These folks don't think. This is why we need a democratic congress to reverse what the lame duck of 2006 did.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:02 AM

54. That worked out so well with telecom

 

If we had leased the access we would not be in the stone age with our national network coverage.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:14 AM

56. "study" = "find plausible-sounding ways to"

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:17 PM

57. Pitney Bowes is PAYING for this study?

The US Postal Service has ALWAYS been a public-private partnership. Unlike UPS, the Postal Service contracts to PRIVATE HAULERS, the hauling of mail and packages between cities., It contracted with Amtrak to haul mail and packages between New York City and Chicago via Pittsburgh till the mid 1990 (When Amtrak lost the contract to private trucking companies). Mail and Packages go via "Space Available" bases on Airplanes (Which is also an indirect subsidy to the same air lines). Bitney Bowes sell and operate almost all of the metered mail devices used by businesses and it is a PRIVATE COMPANY. In many ways the US Postal Service uses a lot more outside contractors then dies UPS and other package delivery firms.

Thus why is Bitney Bowes FUNDING this study? Is the drop in BUSINESS USE OF THE MAIL THAT SIGNIFICANT? Maybe, but NOT due to the drop in first class mailing by businesses but the drop in usage of postal meters due to the Postal Service adoption of getting stamps via the Internet. i.e. people who uses stamps, have dropped using first class mail, but businesses, who use to use postal meters have NOT reduced their level of mailings.

I suspect Bitney Bowes is worried that its business may decrease if the Postal Service reduces mail deliveries to three days a week, thus Pitney Bowes wants businesses to send mail, and this is the first shot by Bitney Bowes in the fight on HOW the reduction in mail service takes place. Given that the Postal Service already hires outside contractors to most mail (Registered mail is an exception, that stays within the hands of Postal Service Employees, but it is a very small part of the Mail Service, way smaller then its often confused cousin Certified Mail).

Side note: People confuse Certified Mail with Registered Mail all the time. The Confusion is both cost extra, and the received of both must sign for the Mail. The difference is how it is handled in between. Certified mail is treated like any other type of mail except the end user must sign for it. Registered mail is signed for by everyone who had possession of it at any time. I.e, you go to the Post Office, the Clerk accepts your Registered Mail, he then gives it to the truck driver driving to the local distribution point, who signs for it, When the truck driver gets to the local distribution point, it is again signed for by whoever receives it. That person then transport to the next distribution points and hand it off to the next person who also signs for it. This signing for the package continues till it is delivered to the recipient., who also signs for it. Please note, it is the INDIVIDUAL Letter that is signed for, if they are dozens, the person receiving the Registered Mail MUST sign EACH as the receiver of that package.

The key to Registered mail, is if the package is lost, you know exactly who had possession of it at that time and that person is liable for any content of that package. Thus registered mail is generally restricted to packages of high value, for example when the Hope Diamond was given to the Smithsonian Institute, the Diamond dealer who owned it and donated it, shipped it the way he always shipped his diamonds, by Registered Mail. My Father had to delver Diamonds, via registered mail almost every week when he worked in Downtown Pittsburgh in the 1970s (He delivery the diamonds to one of the few diamond cutters in the US outside of New York City, it has been out of business since the elderly owner closed shop in the 1980s). He once delivered a heavy package to a Lawyer in Pittsburgh, he had the lawyer sign for the package (it was registered mail) and asked why was so small a package was so heavy, he was told it was two gold bars. I do into Registered Mail for people confuse it with Certified Mail all the time. Certified mail is used when someone wants a signature that someone received something (generally a legal document). Registered mail is used when the sender wants to know WHO HAD THE PACKAGE IF AND WHEN IT IS LOST. If it is received, no one really cares (Except the Letter Carrier who has a signature that he delivered it and did NOT lose it).

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Response to happyslug (Reply #57)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:37 AM

63. Thank you!!! for that info about Certirfied mail.

I really did not know the difference.
I used Certified to send IRS letters back, and mortgage docs.
I am thinking now that when I send paperwork to Bank of America I will use registered mail,
since BOA has such a bad habit of claiming they did not get what people sent. It is a good way to prove "chain of custody".

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:30 PM

64. Certified mail is good enough, if you want confirmation of acceptance

Registered mail is a waste of time for that purpose, you do NOT need to know every Postal Employee who handled the package, all you need to know is BOA received it. Certified mail can provide THAT level of service.

The extra cost of Registered mail should be reserved for valuable items, cash, diamonds, gold etc. In such situation you may want to know who was the last Postal Employee to have the package. You do NOT need that information for documents sent to someone like BOA.

You want to know HOW BOA handled the paper work you sent them, NOT how the Postal Service handled the paper work. Your problem is BOA apparently does NOT know how to handle its internal paperwork movement. That is beyond the ability of the Postal Service, that is up to BOA and registered mail will NOT help you in that regard.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 01:44 AM

60. The People Need To Take Over The Congress

The Tea Party Conservatives are right about that much. What they're wrong about is How and Why.

The American people have the right to conduct and control our own mail service, independently of any Feudalist, Oligarchic, Neo-Liberal, Post-Capitalist Monopoly.

All those private couriers sponge like crazy off of taxpayers and USPS.

If USPS went private, costs would skyrocket, and service would die.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 04:22 PM

61. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!




"Think tank," my a$$.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:18 PM

65. I only wish they would come up with a way to stop the junk mail.

It's a pain.

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