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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:19 PM

Redfairen (642 posts)

Cardinal George asks Catholics to oppose (IL) gay marriage bill

Source: Chicago Sun-Times

Cardinal Francis George issued a letter Tuesday calling laws permitting same-sex marriage a “legal fiction” and directing the local Catholic faithful to contact state legislators about a proposed Illinois gay marriage bill.

His statement comes days before state Rep. Greg Harris (D-Chicago) and state Sen. Heather Steans (D-Chicago) are expected to introduce a gay-marriage legalization measure into January’s lame-duck session. Nine states currently recognize gay marriage, including Maryland, where same-sex couples first were wed legally just after midnight Tuesday.

“It is physically impossible for two men or two women to consummate a marriage, even when they share a deep friendship or love,” George writes in the letter, meant for inclusion in parish bulletins distributed Jan. 5-6. “Does this mean nature is cruel or that God is unfair? No, but it does mean that marriage is what nature tells us it is and that the State cannot change natural marriage.”

George writes that despite the church’s anti-gay marriage position, the Church itself is not anti-gay. He points to a number of groups for Catholic gays, including AGLO, a 25-year-old program that meets for Mass weekly at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in Boystown.

Read more: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17335152-418/cardinal-george-urges-catholics-to-oppose-gay-marriage-law.html

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Reply Cardinal George asks Catholics to oppose (IL) gay marriage bill (Original post)
 Redfairen Jan 2013 OP
LineReply Why, does religion ALWAYS have to be about making someone/some group miserable. Just WTF is
 RKP5637 Jan 2013 #1
LineLineReply That seems to be the whole point of religion.
 xfundy Jan 2013 #9
LineLineReply Religion is about tribal group cohension.
 Odin2005 Jan 2013 #10
LineLineLineReply It is, isn't it ... one bellicose against the other and praying (preying?) to their version of
 RKP5637 Jan 2013 #11
LineLineLineNew Reply Religion is a form of government
 LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #26
LineReply Oh goodie...
 NICO9000 Jan 2013 #2
LineReply what's that about separation of church and state again?
 azurnoir Jan 2013 #3
LineLineReply TAX. THE. [bleep] CHURCHES.
 alp227 Jan 2013 #18
LineReply So tired of them
 bluemarkers Jan 2013 #4
LineReply Sorry Lou Holtz
 LW1977 Jan 2013 #5
LineLineReply Lou Holtz?
 alp227 Jan 2013 #19
LineLineNew Reply You don't have to support everything a Cardinal supports.
 musical_soul Jan 2013 #27
LineReply zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 Skittles Jan 2013 #6
LineLineReply They're like playing grade "z" movie reruns. n/t
 RKP5637 Jan 2013 #8
LineReply Catholics in Washington passed marriage equality with larger margins than Protestants
 pnwmom Jan 2013 #7
LineReply The church already has the authority to choose ...
 surrealAmerican Jan 2013 #12
LineReply This should be enough to revoke tax exempt status of the Catholic Church!
 rasputinkhlyst Jan 2013 #13
LineLineNew Reply I Agree
 awake Jan 2013 #30
LineReply cardinal george says gay parade=klu klux klan
 madrchsod Jan 2013 #14
LineReply How does the Cardinal feel about pedophilia in the priesthood?
 olddad56 Jan 2013 #15
LineReply Seems they would want people in a stable loving environment. WTH is the "consummate a marriage" bit?
 uppityperson Jan 2013 #16
LineReply No, no, no. The church isn't anti gay!
 DavidWD72 Jan 2013 #17
LineReply The IRS will need extra agents in Illinois...
 alp227 Jan 2013 #20
LineNew Reply WTF is 'natural marriage'? Marriage is a human social construct.
 AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #21
LineLineNew Reply Correct...
 awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #24
LineNew Reply Again -- taking an active role in politics, free of charge.
 AngryOldDem Jan 2013 #22
LineNew Reply the state can change anything it wants to change
 SemperEadem Jan 2013 #23
LineNew Reply What funding do the Catholics receive from outside their faithful sheep?
 LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #25
LineNew Reply The Vatican is neither anti-gay nor anti-semitic.
 closeupready Jan 2013 #28
LineNew Reply Sex sex sex. That's all righties think about.
 Politicub Jan 2013 #29

Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:24 PM

Star Member RKP5637 (25,786 posts)

1. Why, does religion ALWAYS have to be about making someone/some group miserable. Just WTF is

it with religion. I left decades ago and NEVER looked back once. Religion, get over it ...

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:05 PM

xfundy (2,604 posts)

9. That seems to be the whole point of religion.

In the USA, at least, and for many years.

I liken it to a club, where members, who are, of course, "blessed by GOD™" sit back and talk about how others are unworthy, "sinful," "without morals," "godless," "libruls," etc., etc., while they are, of course "blessed."

Without a doubt, the best place for the ol' debbil to hide is in CHURCH.


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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:16 PM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

10. Religion is about tribal group cohension.

Not much difference than sports fanatics and unreconstructed Stalinists.

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:23 PM

Star Member RKP5637 (25,786 posts)

11. It is, isn't it ... one bellicose against the other and praying (preying?) to their version of

their god to cast harm on the other tribes. So sad and pathetic.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:34 PM

Star Member LiberalFighter (31,155 posts)

26. Religion is a form of government

Fear was the basis for religion. As a means of coercing others to obey their commands.

Religion allows mostly like minded people to socialize together and feel like they belong. A smaller community.

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:25 PM

NICO9000 (970 posts)

2. Oh goodie...

Again, another man of the cloth so filled with the love of Christ.

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:26 PM

Star Member azurnoir (27,388 posts)

3. what's that about separation of church and state again?

and oh ya that tax exempt thingy?

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:15 AM

alp227 (20,988 posts)

18. TAX. THE. [bleep] CHURCHES.

Mike Malloy had this story of another clergy member in Illinois (Thomas John Paprocki, Bishop at Springfield diocese) who used the pulpit to preach politics. Sourced from Crooks & Liars.



BTW, this video is from my youtube channel, please subscribe if you liked this segment!

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:28 PM

bluemarkers (465 posts)

4. So tired of them

At this point I'm of a mind to do the exact opposite of what these catholics (or any crazy jebus crowd) want.

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:34 PM

LW1977 (38 posts)

5. Sorry Lou Holtz

Not coming back with assholes like these in charge.

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:17 AM

alp227 (20,988 posts)

19. Lou Holtz?

Last edited Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:17 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Holtz#Personal_life

Hmm. Well, he's a Catholic who donates to Republicans (but donated to Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign for some reason). What does he have to do with Illinois politics?

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:38 PM

musical_soul (698 posts)

27. You don't have to support everything a Cardinal supports.

I think that voting against the marriage law in IL would be a bad idea. I also oppose the anti-birth control mandate.

The baby doesn't have to be thrown away with the bath water though. One can have a relationship with God and still oppose certain things. That's what religion is supposed to be about, not politics.

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:36 PM

Star Member Skittles (87,056 posts)

6. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

religious bigots are a dime a dozen

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:40 PM

Star Member RKP5637 (25,786 posts)

8. They're like playing grade "z" movie reruns. n/t

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:38 PM

pnwmom (43,743 posts)

7. Catholics in Washington passed marriage equality with larger margins than Protestants

or any other mainstream religious group.

I doubt that Illinois Catholics will be any more interested in what George has to say.

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:42 PM

surrealAmerican (7,538 posts)

12. The church already has the authority to choose ...

... who their members may or may not marry. Why must they insist on making their rules apply to people who are not members?

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:24 PM

rasputinkhlyst (59 posts)

13. This should be enough to revoke tax exempt status of the Catholic Church!

nuff said. Its time for action.

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:40 PM

awake (575 posts)

30. I Agree

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:41 PM

Star Member madrchsod (55,893 posts)

14. cardinal george says gay parade=klu klux klan

oops he had to apologize. well sort of apologize.

http://thewoundedbird.blogspot.com/2012/01/cardinal-francis-george-apologizes-sort.html

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:03 PM

olddad56 (2,865 posts)

15. How does the Cardinal feel about pedophilia in the priesthood?

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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:30 PM

Star Member uppityperson (74,816 posts)

16. Seems they would want people in a stable loving environment. WTH is the "consummate a marriage" bit?

Do they mean a penis can't be put into a vagina? Is THAT what they consider makes a "good" marriage?

How the HELL is being in a committed relationship “acting against the common good of society"?

How the HELL is being in a stable loving environment accepting "something that is contrary to the common sense of the human race.”?

Seriously. I don't get it.

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:03 AM

DavidWD72 (34 posts)

17. No, no, no. The church isn't anti gay!

George writes that despite the church’s anti-gay marriage position, the Church itself is not anti-gay. He points to a number of groups for Catholic gays, including AGLO, a 25-year-old program that meets for Mass weekly at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in Boystown.


Some of their best parishioners are gay. Seriously, if the church is so anti any kind of alternative life style just how can they condone the scat play they call public relations. Stop calling it ice cream. The world knows better.

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:19 AM

alp227 (20,988 posts)

20. The IRS will need extra agents in Illinois...

because another Illinois clergy member, Bishop Thomas Popracki of Springfield, also had an anti-Obama sermon at church back in election season, as Mike Malloy (sourcing C&L) described on Oct. 1:

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:39 AM

AtheistCrusader (14,533 posts)

21. WTF is 'natural marriage'? Marriage is a human social construct.

It's whatever the fuck we make of it.

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:01 PM

Star Member awoke_in_2003 (18,751 posts)

24. Correct...

"natural" in most of the animal kingdom is males bouncing from mate to mate.

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:30 AM

AngryOldDem (8,822 posts)

22. Again -- taking an active role in politics, free of charge.

Same with the priest mentioned upthread, who took it upon himself to lecture his flock about the evils of Obama.

Let the Church do whatever it fucking wants. Marriage is not the exclusive property of any church. It is, basically, a social contract. The same civil rights that straight couples get, gay couples also deserve. Pretty simple concept. Separate the religious from the civil (or the unintelligent from the intelligent) and the Church really has no leg to stand on.

This was demonstrated to me a few years back when I was still Catholic. At a meeting where a priest was present, a family lawyer stood up and described some of the problems that her gay clients faced because their relationships were not legally recognized. Some stories were heartbreaking. When she finished, she asked the priest point-blank if he thought any of this was fair, or right.

The priest had no answer. Of course not -- he wasn't going to buck the company line, but everyone could tell he was put in a VERY uncomfortable place.

And the Church is about the last institution to be pontificating on what is "natural" and what is not.

Oh, and Cardinal -- this "the Church is not anti-gay" bullshit? Shove it.

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:56 AM

Star Member SemperEadem (8,023 posts)

23. the state can change anything it wants to change

Last edited Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:59 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

and this isn't medieval Europe where the church was literally in bed with the state.

go say your mass and leave governing to whom the people elected---or fork over some god damned money! Political speech requires payment of taxes.

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:30 PM

Star Member LiberalFighter (31,155 posts)

25. What funding do the Catholics receive from outside their faithful sheep?

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:02 PM

Star Member closeupready (19,702 posts)

28. The Vatican is neither anti-gay nor anti-semitic.

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:08 PM

Star Member Politicub (5,930 posts)

29. Sex sex sex. That's all righties think about.

Last edited Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:10 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

What an utterly stupid thing to say about consummating a marriage.

The church always stands in front of the gate of humanity's march for social justice.

And they're about to get swept aside yet again. The tide of history is on our side.

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