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Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:19 PM

Cardinal George asks Catholics to oppose (IL) gay marriage bill

Source: Chicago Sun-Times

Cardinal Francis George issued a letter Tuesday calling laws permitting same-sex marriage a “legal fiction” and directing the local Catholic faithful to contact state legislators about a proposed Illinois gay marriage bill.

His statement comes days before state Rep. Greg Harris (D-Chicago) and state Sen. Heather Steans (D-Chicago) are expected to introduce a gay-marriage legalization measure into January’s lame-duck session. Nine states currently recognize gay marriage, including Maryland, where same-sex couples first were wed legally just after midnight Tuesday.

“It is physically impossible for two men or two women to consummate a marriage, even when they share a deep friendship or love,” George writes in the letter, meant for inclusion in parish bulletins distributed Jan. 5-6. “Does this mean nature is cruel or that God is unfair? No, but it does mean that marriage is what nature tells us it is and that the State cannot change natural marriage.”

George writes that despite the church’s anti-gay marriage position, the Church itself is not anti-gay. He points to a number of groups for Catholic gays, including AGLO, a 25-year-old program that meets for Mass weekly at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in Boystown.

Read more: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17335152-418/cardinal-george-urges-catholics-to-oppose-gay-marriage-law.html

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Reply Cardinal George asks Catholics to oppose (IL) gay marriage bill (Original post)
Redfairen Jan 2013 OP
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #1
xfundy Jan 2013 #9
Odin2005 Jan 2013 #10
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #11
LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #26
NICO9000 Jan 2013 #2
azurnoir Jan 2013 #3
alp227 Jan 2013 #18
bluemarkers Jan 2013 #4
LW1977 Jan 2013 #5
alp227 Jan 2013 #19
musical_soul Jan 2013 #27
Skittles Jan 2013 #6
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #8
pnwmom Jan 2013 #7
surrealAmerican Jan 2013 #12
rasputinkhlyst Jan 2013 #13
awake Jan 2013 #30
madrchsod Jan 2013 #14
olddad56 Jan 2013 #15
uppityperson Jan 2013 #16
DavidWD72 Jan 2013 #17
alp227 Jan 2013 #20
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #21
awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #24
AngryOldDem Jan 2013 #22
SemperEadem Jan 2013 #23
LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #25
closeupready Jan 2013 #28
Politicub Jan 2013 #29

Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:24 PM

1. Why, does religion ALWAYS have to be about making someone/some group miserable. Just WTF is

it with religion. I left decades ago and NEVER looked back once. Religion, get over it ...

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:05 PM

9. That seems to be the whole point of religion.

In the USA, at least, and for many years.

I liken it to a club, where members, who are, of course, "blessed by GOD™" sit back and talk about how others are unworthy, "sinful," "without morals," "godless," "libruls," etc., etc., while they are, of course "blessed."

Without a doubt, the best place for the ol' debbil to hide is in CHURCH.


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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:16 PM

10. Religion is about tribal group cohension.

Not much difference than sports fanatics and unreconstructed Stalinists.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:23 PM

11. It is, isn't it ... one bellicose against the other and praying (preying?) to their version of

their god to cast harm on the other tribes. So sad and pathetic.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:34 PM

26. Religion is a form of government

Fear was the basis for religion. As a means of coercing others to obey their commands.

Religion allows mostly like minded people to socialize together and feel like they belong. A smaller community.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:25 PM

2. Oh goodie...

Again, another man of the cloth so filled with the love of Christ.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:26 PM

3. what's that about separation of church and state again?

and oh ya that tax exempt thingy?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:15 AM

18. TAX. THE. [bleep] CHURCHES.

Mike Malloy had this story of another clergy member in Illinois (Thomas John Paprocki, Bishop at Springfield diocese) who used the pulpit to preach politics. Sourced from Crooks & Liars.



BTW, this video is from my youtube channel, please subscribe if you liked this segment!

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:28 PM

4. So tired of them

At this point I'm of a mind to do the exact opposite of what these catholics (or any crazy jebus crowd) want.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:34 PM

5. Sorry Lou Holtz

Not coming back with assholes like these in charge.

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Response to LW1977 (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:17 AM

19. Lou Holtz?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Holtz#Personal_life

Hmm. Well, he's a Catholic who donates to Republicans (but donated to Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign for some reason). What does he have to do with Illinois politics?

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Response to LW1977 (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:38 PM

27. You don't have to support everything a Cardinal supports.

I think that voting against the marriage law in IL would be a bad idea. I also oppose the anti-birth control mandate.

The baby doesn't have to be thrown away with the bath water though. One can have a relationship with God and still oppose certain things. That's what religion is supposed to be about, not politics.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:36 PM

6. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

religious bigots are a dime a dozen

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Response to Skittles (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:40 PM

8. They're like playing grade "z" movie reruns. n/t

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:38 PM

7. Catholics in Washington passed marriage equality with larger margins than Protestants

or any other mainstream religious group.

I doubt that Illinois Catholics will be any more interested in what George has to say.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:42 PM

12. The church already has the authority to choose ...

... who their members may or may not marry. Why must they insist on making their rules apply to people who are not members?

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:24 PM

13. This should be enough to revoke tax exempt status of the Catholic Church!

nuff said. Its time for action.

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Response to rasputinkhlyst (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:40 PM

30. I Agree

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:41 PM

14. cardinal george says gay parade=klu klux klan

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:03 PM

15. How does the Cardinal feel about pedophilia in the priesthood?

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:30 PM

16. Seems they would want people in a stable loving environment. WTH is the "consummate a marriage" bit?

Do they mean a penis can't be put into a vagina? Is THAT what they consider makes a "good" marriage?

How the HELL is being in a committed relationship “acting against the common good of society"?

How the HELL is being in a stable loving environment accepting "something that is contrary to the common sense of the human race.”?

Seriously. I don't get it.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:03 AM

17. No, no, no. The church isn't anti gay!

George writes that despite the church’s anti-gay marriage position, the Church itself is not anti-gay. He points to a number of groups for Catholic gays, including AGLO, a 25-year-old program that meets for Mass weekly at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in Boystown.


Some of their best parishioners are gay. Seriously, if the church is so anti any kind of alternative life style just how can they condone the scat play they call public relations. Stop calling it ice cream. The world knows better.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:19 AM

20. The IRS will need extra agents in Illinois...

because another Illinois clergy member, Bishop Thomas Popracki of Springfield, also had an anti-Obama sermon at church back in election season, as Mike Malloy (sourcing C&L) described on Oct. 1:

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 03:39 AM

21. WTF is 'natural marriage'? Marriage is a human social construct.

It's whatever the fuck we make of it.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:01 PM

24. Correct...

"natural" in most of the animal kingdom is males bouncing from mate to mate.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:30 AM

22. Again -- taking an active role in politics, free of charge.

Same with the priest mentioned upthread, who took it upon himself to lecture his flock about the evils of Obama.

Let the Church do whatever it fucking wants. Marriage is not the exclusive property of any church. It is, basically, a social contract. The same civil rights that straight couples get, gay couples also deserve. Pretty simple concept. Separate the religious from the civil (or the unintelligent from the intelligent) and the Church really has no leg to stand on.

This was demonstrated to me a few years back when I was still Catholic. At a meeting where a priest was present, a family lawyer stood up and described some of the problems that her gay clients faced because their relationships were not legally recognized. Some stories were heartbreaking. When she finished, she asked the priest point-blank if he thought any of this was fair, or right.

The priest had no answer. Of course not -- he wasn't going to buck the company line, but everyone could tell he was put in a VERY uncomfortable place.

And the Church is about the last institution to be pontificating on what is "natural" and what is not.

Oh, and Cardinal -- this "the Church is not anti-gay" bullshit? Shove it.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:56 AM

23. the state can change anything it wants to change

and this isn't medieval Europe where the church was literally in bed with the state.

go say your mass and leave governing to whom the people elected---or fork over some god damned money! Political speech requires payment of taxes.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:30 PM

25. What funding do the Catholics receive from outside their faithful sheep?

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:02 PM

28. The Vatican is neither anti-gay nor anti-semitic.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:08 PM

29. Sex sex sex. That's all righties think about.

What an utterly stupid thing to say about consummating a marriage.

The church always stands in front of the gate of humanity's march for social justice.

And they're about to get swept aside yet again. The tide of history is on our side.

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