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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:43 AM

Lindsay Graham: I Will Destroy America’s Solvency Unless The Social Security Retirement Age Is Raise

Source: ThinkProgress

Lindsay Graham: I Will Destroy America’s Solvency Unless The Social Security Retirement Age Is Raised

By Ian Millhiser posted from ThinkProgress Economy on Dec 30, 2012 at 11:25 am

Although official Washington is currently fixated on the so-called “Fiscal Cliff,” the biggest threat to American prosperity is the debt ceiling, which must be raised in February to prevent economic catastrophe. If Republicans refuse to reach a deal on the so-called cliff, the Congressional Budget Office predicts that they will spark a new recession in 2013. But if Republicans block action on the debt ceiling, they will make that potential recession look quaint. Without raising the debt ceiling, the United States will be forced to embrace austerity so severe it will lead to “a bigger GDP drop than that experienced during the Great Recession of 2008.”

But in an interview on Fox News Sunday this morning, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) threatened to oppose this must-pass bill unless Social Security benefits are taken away from millions of future retirees:

I’m not going to raise the debt ceiling unless we get serious about keeping the country from becoming Greece, saving Social Security and Medicare . So here’s what i would like: meaningful entitlement reform — not to turn Social Security into private accounts, not to take a voucher approach to Medicare — but, adjust the age for Social Security, CPI changes and means testing and look beyond the ten-year window. I cannot in good conscience raise the debt ceiling without addressing the long term debt problems of this country and I will not.


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Reply Lindsay Graham: I Will Destroy America’s Solvency Unless The Social Security Retirement Age Is Raise (Original post)
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:46 AM

1. What a treasonous asshole

What happened to support and defend part of the oath of office?

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

You can't deal with Terrorist!

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:31 PM

43. YES HE IS!!

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:39 PM

48. You left out the mfin' part

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:46 AM

2. Traitor. n/t

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Response to Amonester (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:32 PM

44. YES HE IS!!

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Response to Amonester (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:44 PM

70. That's as bad as Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's comments.

Lindsey Graham has way overstepped his oath of office and should be held accountable!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:48 AM

3. He is, without a doubt, the real enemy of America. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:49 AM

4. Sounds like Lindsey is still worried about being primaried by the tea party,

as are the twins from Tennessee.

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Response to kaiserhog (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:16 PM

22. I agree with you

It's really pathetic that members of congress have to be "afraid" to do what is best for the country, like not putting all the burden on those who need help, because they fear some right wing lunatic might challenge them in the primaries. Republicans created the teabagger monster, now they are fighting to keep from being eaten alive by that same monster!

Now there are ways to fix the problems, but it should involve taking away "corporate" welfare programs, tax breaks and subsidies for big oil, corporate farm subsides, tax reform, making the rich pay more along with corporations, and not taking from those who really need help.

Republicans just don't seem to give a crap about the average person, only their jobs and the rich, and that's not how our elected officials should be, and any of them who are, republican or democrat, need to be voted out of office, period!

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Response to kaiserhog (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:41 AM

108. Hopefully he loses the primary.

If there was anyone who deserves to be teabagged it's him!

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Response to Joe Bacon (Reply #108)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:23 PM

126. Miss Lindsey might enjoy a good tea-baggin

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:50 AM

5. silly posturing, the debt ceiling is going to be raised for the entire year


but does anyone have any idea what HE means when he discusses 'means testing'?


Does this indicate a two tier SS system that would provide more for lower income recpients?

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Response to grantcart (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:13 PM

37. silly posturing

Exactly!
I mean, c'mon....it's Fox News Sunday.

It's a "tough stance" act on an alternative universe network. I just saw "The Hobbit" and it is more realistic than Fox News.

It's also treasonous, isn't it, to threaten to destroy the country.... from the Senate. Didn't he take an oath?

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:55 PM

89. When did taking an oath make a difference?

Taking an oath to his country means nothing to this awful peon who calls himself a representative of the American people. How awful, as usual, that the only thought these repugnants have is getting re-elected and continuing to get rich!

Surprise, surpise and yet people keep voting for this type of garbage.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:36 PM

69. More like...

The same amount for lower income recipients, and less for the better off.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #69)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:35 PM

118. Probably "less for everyone"

The rich don't need it, so it's no big deal to them.

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Response to daleo (Reply #118)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:43 PM

120. The Lilly Ledbetter act was celebrated...

but truth is, they will bring women up level, allow wages across the board to stagnate for a few years, and come off better in the end. The little person NEVER wins.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:51 AM

6. Completely irresponsible and corrupt

Want to "fix" social security? Raise the cap. Let the wealthy pay into it a bit longer, they won't even notice.

Want to "fix" Medicare? Let it get the best prices for prescription meds, for starters.

These people are nuts.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:53 AM

8. Of course he's Completely irresponsible and corrupt. He's a Republican isn't he?

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:58 PM

90. You said it-plain and simple!

No further explanation needed! Case closed.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:16 PM

38. Want to "fix" social security? Raise the cap.

After putting back the money they "borrowed" for those wars we started. It can come from the Defense Budget. No one over at DoD will even know it's gone.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:52 AM

7. Wrong approach, Senator Piggie.

 

Here's the better approach - LOWER the SS/Medicare requirement to 55 and remove the FICA cap to accomodate it and change the calculation of COLA from CPI-U to REAL TIME inflation.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:53 AM

9. Social security should be completely removed from the discussion. And allowing people to buy into

Medicare if they choose would go a long way towards helping its solvency.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:34 PM

68. Only the very young would think that letting people buy into Medicare if they want is a good idea.

When you get about 50 years old and have to buy your own insurance, they increase your rates for every little thing. They call them pre-existing conditions. And if you have a history of sinus infections or some inconsequential genetic condition, you will be priced out of the insurance market.

Then, of course, when you get in your late 50s or 60s, your employer "re-organizes" to eliminate your job, and you are too old to get another one that pays anything. By this time, you can't afford insurance anyway so you put off health care, ignore symptoms and pray that you will make it to 65 when you can finally go to the doctor.

Meanwhile, if you saved any money for retirement, by the time you reach 65 (or in some cases 63), it's gone. So now you are on Social Security and Medicare.

And that is the way it goes for 95% of Americans.

Buy a cheap house when you are young -- forget about the schools, supplement your child's education on weekends and after school -- and pay it off. That's they only way you can manage to live on the average Social Security of between $1200 and $1300 per month.

If it weren't for Medicare, young people would have to pay for their parents' chemo. And where would the money come from?

Lindsay Graham needs to lose his job.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #68)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:07 PM

74. I am 55 and on good health. I would love the option of being able to buy into medicare! Get a pool

of healthier adults into medicare and it could help drive costs down. As is medicare insures the sickest segment of the population only. But by its sheer size, and cost bargaining ability, IF folks like me could buy into it I think it would be a win win.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:56 AM

10. In SC they think this guy is a "liberal!"

At least many in the SC Republican Party do.So Lindsay has to play this game as his election year approaches and throw the "base" a little red meat!

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Response to moman (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:37 PM

45. Yep.

He's willing to destroy the country's solvency in order to save his own political hide. He knows his job is in huge jeopardy with the "base", so he's pulling out all the stops right now.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:58 AM

11. That statement alone is enough to make banks act to destroy our economy.

Fool is too light. Traitor!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:59 AM

12. If LIndsay had earned his living doing hard, physical labor, he'd be singing a different tune

The hardest labor Lindsay does is running his mouth and obstructing progress in the warmth of the Capital Building, and his every need is pretty much catered to.

Construction workers, utility workers, delivery workers, people who lift, haul, work outside in all kind of weather. Their bodies are at their limit, and beyond, before age 65. My brother in law does store deliveries for a major chip manufacturer. It's a good job, but after 30 some years, his knees are shot, and he's not yet 60. He has some retirement savings, but he will need the SS that he's been paying into, for years.

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:01 PM

91. And you know it!

You tell the truth, truly! Truer words were never spoken.

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:28 PM

127. and probably in DRAG

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Response to putitinD (Reply #127)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 06:36 PM

132. Ha Ha! that one took me a second - Good One!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:01 PM

13. Another suggestion

For those more fortunate people who are paying income tax on a
portion of their Social Security income. Why not dedicate those
collections back to the Social Security Trust Fund instead of wildly
spending them in other areas? This money collected under the
guise of an income tax is really nothing more than returning part of the
Social Security those persons collected. I have no idea of the amount
of money this raises but every little bit counts and I suspect this is no
small amount.

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Response to indypaul (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:52 PM

54. That's actually what is done.

All income tax collected on SS benefits is put back in the trust fund and has been since SS benefits were first taxed in 1984.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:03 PM

14. Change The Filibuster Rule In The Senate.....

make it so he can't destroy America's solvency by the use of filibuster.

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Response to global1 (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:37 PM

29. ^^^THIS^^^

Let bills pass with a majority, no more anonymous holds, and make this ass keel over on his feet after being forced to actually give a filibuster speech.

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Response to global1 (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:17 PM

39. I like the concept

of counting these taxes as credits toward the social security trust fund since they have been paid (social security used to be completely exempt) to see if the fund is still projected to pay less than 100% of benefits in 2037. Because Congress has borrowed from the fund, Congress would simply owe the fund more money if these taxes were credited.

Either way, the reason social security is under attack, in my view, is that Congress may eventually have to make up the money it borrowed from general revenue which means raising other taxes or cutting other programs (like defense). Pretending Social Security is the real problem makes it easier to not pay the money back.

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Response to global1 (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:05 PM

84. Well that needs to happen no matter what

Because we got suckered last time around and would have surely had the votes to pull it off. As The Who song says "Don't get fooled again..."

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Response to global1 (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:47 PM

88. ^^^ Double This ^^^

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:04 PM

15. If we go off the cliff, there's less need for debt ceiling action.

just sayin'

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:04 PM

16. could this asshole be any more arrogant?

Last edited Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:48 PM - Edit history (1)

Does he think he was elected to destroy the lives of the people who elected him. No, he was expected to serve and represent the people elected.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:05 PM

17. Social Security taxes should be deducted from EVERY dollar earned instead of having

 

an established ceiling. That should be the first move before any talk of raising the age limit.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:09 PM

18. What an idiot. The federal government by definition can't go "insolvent." n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:10 PM

19. This man is a traitor. And it is time for him to go.....nft

 

dddddddddd

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:10 PM

20. Why not just take the cap off so that insurance is taken out of all earnings no matter how much was

was earned that year? Oh, I get it, that would put a burden on higher earning people. So screw blue collar workers instead.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:11 PM

21. I don't understand why these red states don't get boycotted.

There has to be some payback to these a-holes.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:19 PM

23. Domestic terrorist

Why do people keep voting for him?

Sam

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:32 PM

24. He forgot to mention....

SOCIAL SECURITY HAS NOT ADDED ONE NICKEL TO OUR NATIONAL DEBT.

This is a Repig trying to ram HIS "I hate all New Deal Programs and want them destroyed" political ideology up everyone's ass. And that's all.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:33 PM

25. So why

 

should recipients, who are legally a third party, accept what this one person wants? I'm one of the future recipients of Social Security, why should I be held to this man's wishes? Money has been taken out of my pay check with certain promises. So why should this man have any say to affect this, without my say so legally? I do not see this any other way. Why would I not see this guy as threatening my livelihood because of the money taken from me? I think people should be able to sue this man and Congress. It is a Debt owed to us. I consider this money taken out of my hard earned pay and a default if Congress reneges on it. I do not think Congress should be raising any age limit period.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:33 PM

26. The GOP thugs have always wanted to destroy Social Security

And Medicare. And Medicaid. And they are close to doing it. We can save those programs with minor adjustments, but that's not their goal. Their goal is to end them, in favor of more benefits for the Koch brothers.

I for one am sick of it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:34 PM

27. And yet, people still vote for him

Who is bigger idiot?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:36 PM

28. WHY ISNT THAT ILLEGAL

 

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:44 PM

30. That is

 

what I'm alluding to. Why is this not illegal for any new Congress to come along and renege on something an earlier Congress promised? I can see if they hadn't taken money out of people's checks but the problem is they did for most of that person's career. If they are going to make any new law, then it shouldn't affect people that has already paid into the system under the old agreement. That decision would cause monetary damages to people. So why isn't this illegal in any civil court? There is no guarantee, people will live to the age he is proposing to push it back to either.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:49 PM

31. Retiring at age 70 is great . . .

Yep, retiring at age 70 is great if you're a Senator whose job consists of sitting on your ass and flapping your gums when you're not on vacation.

But for someone who WORKS for a living -- plumber, electrician, carpenter, mechanic -- it's an entirely different story.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:54 PM

32. Don't forget

 

construction workers. I'm disliking this man the more and more he opens his mouth.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:06 PM

92. You can say that again friend!

Speak, speak! You can say that again! Talk is cheap and easy, actually doing it is another thing.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:26 AM

111. CORRECT

it's just another example of these rich bastards who do not live in the real world

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:58 PM

33. who cares....?

change the filibuster rule and he`s irrelevant.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:59 PM

34. I wonder who his handler is

And how much he is getting paid. If that's not the case then he has a mental problem.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:00 PM

35. surprised?

 

Why is anyone surprised by this grifter Senator from a Slave State. They are fighting the Civil War all over again and they want to defeat the Black President. They really hate Obama. And by extension they hate the Blue States who support the Slave State's welfare programs.

These Grifter Senators and Congressmen/women are grifters out to get as much money as they can before the Banks and Wall Street Scam Artists pop the next economic bubble. And...it looks like they are going to collect a lot of graft and bribes before we collapse.

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Response to pakilolo (Reply #35)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:39 PM

94. I'm in SC and I think 44% Voted for Obama,

so things are slowly changing. Hopefully this asshole will loose next time.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:13 PM

36. no he won't

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:19 PM

40. I wish a bunch of his old boyfriends would come out of the woodwork and "out" that old queen, the

GOP would dis-own him in a heartbeat

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Response to putitinD (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:53 PM

80. +1 Right now would be a good time

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Response to putitinD (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:40 PM

95. That's good.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:23 PM

41. I don't agree with him at all regarding social security BUT...

We HAVE to address our debt.

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Response to WhoWoodaKnew (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:21 PM

93. Social Security has nothing to do with the debt!

From what I understand, Social Security is a self-sustaining trust and does not add nor subtract from our debt.

Social Security is it's own fiefdom that repugnants just want to eff with because it is the only program that middle and poorer level people have paid into, have held its own by not being co-opted by the rotten, non-righteous righties, and they can't stand the fact that they can not bother it!

Several repugnants have attempted to want to meddle with it (privatize) but each attempt has been turned back by the Democrats and us seniors- and we plan to keep it that way.

We Seniors are a powerful lobby, have paid our dues and expect quid pro quo in return. Anybody who doesn't agree is in a heap of trouble with us.

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Response to malibea (Reply #93)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:42 PM

100. Yeah, I know. But not enough of us scream about reducing the debt.

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Response to WhoWoodaKnew (Reply #100)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:58 AM

115. Don't reduce the debt through cuts in Social Security.

Do not, and I repeat DO NOT reduce the debt by tampering with Social Security by any means. This is a dividend that we have purchased through deductions over 45 years. Why should we seniors pay for the debt- we didn't ADD TO IT!

As a matter of fact, we seniors have LOANED money from our Social Security fund to save other programs that were in need of a little capital ($$). There were programs that have been screwed up by politicians, by the way, who did not know what the eff they were doing in the first place. The pols realized this after the fact- which is usually when they realize it. Just a bunch of dumb bozos who have nothing better to day than to mess up people's invested money. But they don't care because it is not their money that they are risking.

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Response to malibea (Reply #115)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:37 AM

121. Oh, I agree. I'm close to retirement age too. But we must address the debt.

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Response to WhoWoodaKnew (Reply #121)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:21 PM

125. I agree with you- but not by "messing with" Social Security.

I am in agreement that we must address the debt, but not by using Social Security, period!
That's all I have say on the subject and the last I will SAY on the subject.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:27 PM

42. And fuck you too Graham!!!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:37 PM

46. There are probably a whole lot of elders in S.C. that

would get rid of him for us. They will not like hearing that. His ego sort of reminds me of that old joke about the obese Texan who died in New York and they could not find a casket big enough to put him in. Someone called another Texan and he told them to give the corpse an enema and then they could fit him in a shoe box. That is what Little Lindsey needs.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:39 PM

47. Hasn't this idiot heard of the Defense Budget?

 

Do we really need a defense budget equal to the rest of the world? I'm thinking not, so lets start the cuts there and see what happens.

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Response to RC (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:43 PM

49. YES, start with the defense budget, cut it in half, then double the budget for everything else, and

still have a 'surplus'

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Response to putitinD (Reply #49)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:27 PM

77. You are making a joke, right? Because the defense budget is much smaller than you suggest - less

25% of the federal budget. But assume it was that big - take a number, reduce it by 25%, then double what you have left - you don't have a surplus and the number you end up with is 150% of your starting budget.

Here's the President's budget: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/tables.pdf



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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:46 PM

50. All the more reason for doing away with the filibuster so assholes like him don't think they have

more power than they can be trusted with.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:48 PM

51. What a liying sack of shit.

SS has nothing to do with the national debt.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:48 PM

52. We ought to address the long term debt issue, but not by cutting vital services.

They aren't even talking about reinstating a financial transaction tax. That shows they aren't really serious about deficit reduction. Not a Serious Person.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:50 PM

53. Miss Lindsey needs a good spanking

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:54 PM

55. "I'm an ass hole, and YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!"

This pig is the biggest ass hole in the whole Senate. No surprise he's from South Carolina. They seem to have the STRONG history of doing whatever they can to screw this country to keep the wealthy white cotton plantation owner in power. Goes ALL THE WAY back to the Civil War; and continues to this day.

F**K this clown! Worthless w**** trash!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:57 PM

56. This is an Editorial

 

I agree with it, but I thought editorials couldn't be posted in the LBN forum.

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Response to malz (Reply #56)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:06 PM

117. It isn't an editorial, that's why it can be posted. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:00 PM

57. other sources of income

 

I have to ask, is Social Security and Medicare reductions the only things put on the table as a way to raise income? A tax on automatic computer trades would be one thing. Maybe a small tariff on Chinese imports even. If these were were put on the table it would be hard for the republicans to defend them for sure.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:12 PM

58. And the terrorism politics goes on.

Looks like nothing will stop them because they are intent on actually destroying the country unless everyone gives in to their demands.

My fear is that they will damage the country so badly that at some point the Democrats WILL give in.
And then it's game over.
Terrorist politics will become the standard GOP procedure and our country will begin to reshape itself into a pure Republican model.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:12 PM

59. Another reason for filibuster reform

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:19 PM

60. Why do these douchebags hate SS and Medicare so much?

I mean this as a serious question. When you think about it, Social Security is really a pretty Republican idea - save money from your paycheck every week, put it aside and come get it when you're retired. I understand that the trust fund has been raided again and again, but every study I've seen supports the theory that SS is not in this constant state of immediate crisis as its foes would have us believe.
Do they hate it simply because they don't need it and don't know anyone who needs it?
I realize they hate all semblance of public assistance for anyone in need, but their special hatred for these two programs mystifies me.

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Response to NHDEMFORLIFE (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:29 PM

63. because it drains their ability to push for war

just think if they didn't have to pay for SS and medicare they could buy a few obsolete bomber aircraft!

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #63)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:30 PM

65. Very true sadly enough n/t

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Response to NHDEMFORLIFE (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:31 PM

66. Because, ironically, it's the toughest "big government" program there is

If they can slay THAT dragon, everything else will be a piece of cake when it comes to "starving ( and killing ) the beast"

It's a high-risk stategy that will either "make" them in a huge way, or break them to the point of utter irrelevency. The rich angry white guys know their days of hegemony or numbered, so they want to go out guns blazing.

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Response to NHDEMFORLIFE (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:08 PM

86. It's because your employer pays half of it. n/t

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #86)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:57 AM

110. I can't remember ever having seen this simple explanation before. Bravo, duffyduff. eom

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Response to NHDEMFORLIFE (Reply #60)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:44 PM

119. They don't want people to feel secure at any stage of their life

Insecure people are easier for rich elites to control, manipulate and bully. At least until they finally have nothing left to lose.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:26 PM

61. Today, I almost wish we had not kept South Carolina in the union.

Weren't they talking about secession recently. I say, let them go.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:12 PM

123. And any other state that wishes to accompany them-like TEXAS!

Speak! Let them go away and take any other state that wishes to accompany them- like Texas! Whatever happened to all of that big woofing from Texas anyway? Did they get chicken when they realized that nobody cared if they left anyway, and TEXAS realized that they could not have made it on their own-naked as a jaybird and all alone! And speaking of NOBODY CARED , some people encouraged them to leave.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:28 PM

62. Is there a way for this fucking asshole to be recalled?

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Response to williesgirl (Reply #62)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:19 PM

73. or better yet, brought up on treason charges

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:33 PM

67. The exact total amount in dollars and cents that social security has added to the ..

.... federal deficit is zero dollars and zero cents.

And what is this man's hang up w/ Greece anyway?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:50 PM

71. We must all remember when trying to talk to tea crazies

Clinton turned over a large surplus. Bush "W" spent it, gave the rich lower taxes, was unconscious on Sept 9, 2001, started a war(s) to enrich his friends, gave another tax break to the rich, kept the war(s) spending off the budget while borrowing the money to fund the war(s) using "supplemental" budgets. And gave another tax break during war(s) time...
When President Obama took over even his informed advisers didn't know how bad our countries finances were.

In a sane world men like Graham would be sent home...

https://movetoamend.org/

http://anticorruptionact.org/

There is still time, but frankly not much.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:13 PM

75. The long-term debt problems in our country

are due to de-industrialization which is, in its turn, due to our promiscuous "free" trade policy.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:16 PM

76. Senator Graham

you can go to hell.............

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:32 PM

78. He has a conscience?

Means-testing is the only possibly acceptable adjustment.

They've lowered estate taxes and given wealthy families
Roth IRA's, Conversions.

Why can't they contribute a little something for a change?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #78)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:31 PM

106. It's NOT acceptable. That would destroy Social Security once and for all. n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:45 PM

79. He is so stupid.........

 

Raising the debt ceiling has nothing to do with the deficit. The debt ceiling is about financing the debt that ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND INCURRED by the Executive and Legislative branches. It is about ensuring we don't give the credit markets any reason to question our willingness to repay our debts.

If he wants to have a fight about FUTURE spending and debt, let's have that discussion. I wonder if his IQ is more than 50? Can he wipe his own ass after he defecates? Seriously......

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:57 PM

81. omg he is slapalicious to the tenth power

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:07 PM

82. Graham is a nasty one

Ugly as they come, I'm not talking about looks either

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Response to madokie (Reply #82)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:36 PM

128. ugly looks too, reminds me of an old lesbian. (no offense to old lesbians)

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:52 PM

83. Bite me, Graham.You're unfit for your position.Take his entitlements that WE pay for AWAY.He doesn't

deserve them.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:06 PM

85. He knows Greece got into trouble

because no one pays their taxes...so when he says we'll become like Greece, is he saying that the rich have told him they won't pay their taxes if they are increased, or is he thinking the American public believes Greece became broke because of spending?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:15 PM

87. cese

Shouldn't L.Graham be arrested for anti American activity and Terrorist threats against America???????????????????????????????????

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:23 PM

96. It is the old folks who are the problem and not

 

6 billion every year in oil subsidies(You listening Lindsey?)
450 billion in defense spending
1.3 trillion in tax cuts
450 billion in spending for imported oil
400 dollar a gallon gasoline on the front in Afghanistan
As my late great father was fond of saying:Linday Graham,'You talk like a man with a paper asshole!'

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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #96)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:20 PM

124. Keep living-you will become OLD too! If you're lucky.

You're so generous in your blame of the OLD FOLK. You should be so lucky! I suppose you can always go for the alternative.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:26 PM

97. God, what a treasonous fuckstick.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:38 PM

98. Miss Lindsay, are you going to ensure older Americans have jobs as you raise the SS age?

Yeah, I thought not

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:40 PM

99. It's pretty bad that today's politics actually allows the GOP to

propose slashing Medicare and Social Security and this is all thrust upon us as if it's a perfectly valid and sane idea.

It seems the rich have sucked all the juice out of the third rail to power their mansions.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:48 PM

101. Oh look! Lindsey's estimating the size of his

compassion and knowledge of how important EARLY Social Security is to people who work in physically demanding jobs.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:50 PM

102. Unfit to serve! He should be impeached for un-American affairs. n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:55 PM

103. Sooooo.

Seniors in a poor state like SC actually voted for this guy? I see this crap here also. If the benefits are cut they will scream bloody murder while still supporting politicians that will do just that. All Graham has to do is tell voters the lie about Obama taking their guns. I guess gun ownership is more important than eating to some people.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:24 PM

104. He's the worst of the worst. Fucking treasonous bastard!

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:01 PM

105. I enjoy watching the Republicans destroy themselves

this man is so clueless

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:57 PM

107. Raising the SS retirement age by 2 over the next 10 years is the least hardship. And means testing

Medicare is a fair option. Why should billionaires receive the same benefits as the working poor? Anyone who income...don't care the source of the income...is over $500,000 should pay into Medicare on a graduated scale up to the first million at least.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #107)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:26 PM

116. Again, there should be no changes to Social Security!

I can't say this enough, but Social Security should not be amended in ANY WAY! Social Security has nothing to do with the debt or spending.

The age of eligiblity to receive Social Security should not change-- either. Please see Reply # 31.

Why is it that PEOPLE want to mess with Social Security? Is it because it is solvent and sitting there all alone, not bothering anyone, and yet seems to be vulnerable to the greedy bastards who want to mess with somebody else's money, after they have screwed up all of theirs and their families'? Or is it because people don't want to respect Seniors and want to disregard them? It won't work! Just ask the Gray Panthers! You want to see an upshot in their membership and movement? I don't think so.

Leave Social Security alone- be it the age of eligibility or something else. For those of you who have not reached the age of majority to receive Social Security, put some of your money and funding on the line, i.e., defense, or other charities, but leave ours (SENIORS) alone.

And I won't tire of saying this-and others will join me.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:51 AM

109. Here is

another one that does not need tax payer funded pension or healthcare. If he is willing to raise ages and cut benefits he should be willing to swallow some pain. Then again he is probably rich so it would not matter anyway. The american public is either unaware (ignorant) or too willing to put up with this type of shit.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:21 AM

112. Obama....

.... just needs to find a way around this "debt ceiling" nonsense, which is of dubious constitutionality to begin with.

Oh, and "in good conscience" Graham, what are you going to do about DEFENSE SPENDING which is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS AND PROVIDING NO VALUE TO THE COUNTRY AT ALL?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:34 AM

113. Could you imagine the public execution if the parties in all this were reversed?

I mean had a Dem Senator come out and said that during Bushes years they would have been remanded and an attempt to oust from the Senate would ensue... What a dick he is, completely unamerican and a disgrace to our government and our people.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:49 AM

114. Meanwhile back at the Military Industrial Complex Ranch

Lindsey is glad handing, boot-licking, ass-kissing and accepting "donations".

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Response to Evasporque (Reply #114)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:40 PM

129. thanks for that visual. LOL

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 11:57 AM

122. Lindsay Graham is a terrorist.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:41 PM

130. So he would destroy the country to save it?

Plunging the U.S. into austerity to, uh, save it from austerity?

What an awesome plan from someone who is not himself dependent on Social Security. Kudos, Sen. Graham!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:51 PM

131. Traitor. nt

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