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Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:20 PM

NY woman charged in connection with ambush slaying of 2 firefighters; police cite link to guns

Source: The Morning Call

WEBSTER, N.Y. (AP) — A 24-year-old woman was arrested Friday and charged in connection with the Christmas Eve ambush slaying of two volunteer firefighters responding to a house fire in upstate New York.

Dawn Nguyen of Rochester faces a state charge of filing a falsified business record, State Police Senior Investigator James Sewell said. Nguyen also faces a federal charge; a news conference with the U.S. attorney in western New York was scheduled for 4 p.m. Friday.

Sewell said the state charge is connected to the purchase of an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle and a 12-gauge shotgun that William Spengler had with him Monday when firefighters Michael Chiapperini and Tomasz Kaczowka were gunned down. Three other people were wounded before the 62-year-old Spengler killed himself. He also had a .38-caliber revolver, but Nguyen is not connected to that gun, Sewell said.

The .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle, which had a combat-style flash suppressor, is similar to the one used by the gunman who massacred 20 children and six women in a Newtown, Conn., elementary school earlier this month.


Read more: http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-fire-shooting-arrest-20121228,0,915265.story

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Reply NY woman charged in connection with ambush slaying of 2 firefighters; police cite link to guns (Original post)
Playinghardball Dec 2012 OP
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #1
janx Dec 2012 #2
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #6
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #3
janx Dec 2012 #5
PatrynXX Dec 2012 #4
Historic NY Dec 2012 #7
janx Dec 2012 #8
aandegoons Dec 2012 #9
janx Dec 2012 #10
alp227 Dec 2012 #11
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #12
aandegoons Dec 2012 #13
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #14
janx Dec 2012 #16
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #15
janx Dec 2012 #17
Historic NY Dec 2012 #18
SpartanDem Dec 2012 #19


Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:34 PM

2. So the ATF and police think she sold him the guns?

They must know something.

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Response to janx (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:46 PM

6. It sounds like they think it was a 'straw purchase'.

"She purchased the weapons legally, and they were stolen," Nguyen's lawyer, Dave Palmiere, said Friday.
Palmiere said the charges are related to the .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle and a Mossberg 12-guage shotgun,
not the handgun that was also in Spengler's possession. He said Nguyen doesn't recall whether she reported the guns stolen.

(From http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/194055/37/Greece-Woman-Arrested-in-Connection-with-Guns-Used-in-Webster-Shootings _

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:41 PM

3. "law enforcement officials will hold a press conference Friday at 4:00 p.m. in Rochester."

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:46 PM

5. Thanks for the link to the live coverage!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:45 PM

4. like David Gregory. no knee jerks

sounds like a setup though if he knew them once. hence why she's being charged with the other item. for whatever reason. Everyone has a bad neighbor. And every neighbor has a different story...

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:56 PM

7. There is more than were hearing on this ...

business records denotes some sort of business, perhaps where she worked a store or such.
Seems she was a bit chatty & knew about some of the guns.

You have guns allegedly stolen but never report it...

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:11 PM

8. I can't get the stream--it keeps getting knocked out.

What are they saying?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:36 PM

9. Wow I know someone with the last name of Nguyen in central NY.

I wonder if they are related.

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Response to aandegoons (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:41 PM

10. It's a very common Vietnamese name. n/t

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Response to aandegoons (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:46 PM

11. It'd be possible to say so in Central NY,

but in my part of the nation the surname Nguyen is pretty much as common as Jones or Smith!

(I'm saying this as an Asian-American born in central NY and now living in northern CA.)

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Response to aandegoons (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:47 PM

12. It's an extremely common last name for Vietnamese

Aprx. 40% of Vietnamese worldwide have this last name, also the last name of the last dynasty there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguy%E1%BB%85n

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:53 PM

13. Thanks I didn't know that.

I won't ask him since he is my boss's boss.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:22 PM

14. "She later called the deputy and admitted she bought the guns for Spengler, police said Friday."

“She told the seller of these guns, Gander Mountain in Henrietta, N.Y., that she was to be the true owner and buyer of the guns instead of William Spengler,” he said. “It is absolutely against federal law to provide any materially false information related to the acquisition of firearms.”

“It is sometimes referred to acting as a straw purchaser and that is exactly what today’s complaint alleges,” Hochul said.

Police say Spengler went with Nguyen to Gander Mountain and picked out the weapons himself. During an interview late on Christmas Eve, she told police she had bought the guns for personal protection and that they were stolen from her vehicle, though she never reported the guns stolen.

The day after the shootings, Nguyen texted an off-duty Monroe County Sheriff’s deputy with references to the killings. She later called the deputy and admitted she bought the guns for Spengler, police said Friday.

From: http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/dawn-nguyen-arrested-in-connection-with-guns-used-by-william-spengler-in-firefighter-shooting-61192/

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:50 PM

16. You called it.



And Spengler actually went with her and picked out the weapons himself.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:35 PM

15. Every "legitimate" gun store owner knows he or she is selling to a percentage of straw purchasers

And that the guns they're selling go directly to illicit activities, if not outright murder, as here. It's a massive joke in Indiana, where straw purchases are rampant for the drug gangs in Chicago, and all these upright "responsible" gun store owners get rich on the misery of the South and West Sides.

Then the gun nuts have the fucking nerve to point at Chicago's gun crimes where "guns are banned" hardy har har. Crack down on the legal-to-illicit pipeline in Indiana and you'll see Chicago gun crimes reduced to nothing.



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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:07 PM

17. How to go about it though?

It wouldn't be likely that law enforcement would trace the path of a firearm until after a crime has been committed (as in this case).

But there must be a way. This particular woman should be given the harshest penalty possible. They should make an example of her.

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Response to janx (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:39 PM

18. Exactly...in the nearby city where I live the majority of guns come from

straw purchases made from 10 states using nonexistant address's others are just stolen. In fact 625 guns have been report stolen in the tri-county area since 2009.

The Feds tracked a quantity of these gun to several locations nationwide.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:33 PM

19. I hope she rots in jail for a very long time.

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