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Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:32 AM

Netanyahu set to win Israel election but rightists gain: polls

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party is set to win a parliamentary election on January 22 although the popularity of a far-right party opposed to Palestinian statehood is growing, polls showed on Friday.

Two out of three surveys showed the right-wing Likud losing voters to political newcomer Naftali Bennett's religious party Bayit Yehudi (Jewish Home)and to a fractured center-left bloc.

All still predicted a strong right-wing coalition emerging in the 120-seat parliament, which would assure Netanyahu another term.

The daily Yedioth Ahronoth published a poll with Likud winning 33 seats, four less than a month ago. A poll in the Jerusalem Post showed Likud fell to 34, down from 39 just two weeks ago. A survey by Maariv said Likud held ground at 37.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/28/us-israel-election-polls-idUSBRE8BR06Y20121228



Sad that Netanyahu isn't considered a "rightist" in this article.

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Reply Netanyahu set to win Israel election but rightists gain: polls (Original post)
oberliner Dec 2012 OP
Scootaloo Dec 2012 #1
Harry_Scrote Dec 2012 #2
no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #3
R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #6
geek tragedy Dec 2012 #5
R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #7
geek tragedy Dec 2012 #8
R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #9
geek tragedy Dec 2012 #10
R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #13
Report1212 Dec 2012 #12
geek tragedy Dec 2012 #4
Aristus Dec 2012 #11
oberliner Dec 2012 #14
geek tragedy Dec 2012 #16
R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #18
malz Dec 2012 #15
leftlibdem420 Dec 2012 #17
stevenleser Dec 2012 #19

Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:41 AM

1. Agreed;

Sad that Netanyahu isn't considered a "rightist" in this article.


because in Israeli party politics... he's more to the center-like. Hell, even compared to some in his own party (Moshe Feiglan, what a charming example of humanity he is).

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:56 AM

2. I read lots of posts here on DU

saying Bibi's not that popular, or that DU'ers don't like him anyway. But then I read about Israel as a whole, that Bibi's set to win elections, or that he's already won. I don't get it.

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Response to Harry_Scrote (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:08 AM

3. Me too, unless

our definitions of right, left, and center are divergent from how Israeli voters define those terms. It's all relative I suppose where Bibi is center by contrast to the "extremists" who are far to the right of him.

What I don't understand is I've read articles where there was a bigger voting representation of liberal secularists/non-religious fundamentalists in Israel. Is their count accurate or are they not voting or both?

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:27 AM

6. To give some perspective on where Netanyahu stands politically.


He supported Romney.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/11/israels-netanyahu-takes-heat-after-obama-victory/

Bibi claims he killed the Oslo accord.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/video-netanyahu-brags-he-deceived-us-destroy-oslo-accords/8934

Former President Clinton admits this
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/09/22/bill_clinton_netanyahu_killed_the_peace_process


Netanyahu may be center right in Israel, but that would be considered hard right in America.

The farther right one goes there will be an even farther right trying to outdo you.

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Response to Harry_Scrote (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:26 AM

5. Cognitive dissonance--people who view themselves as liberal but also believe

that supporting Israel is a moral obligation for the US government.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:40 AM

7. America has always been steeped in hypocrisy when it comes to other countries.


The USA supported:

Dictatorships in Latin America

Dictatorships in South America

Dictatorships in Southeast Asia

Dictatorships in the Middle East

Dictatorships in Africa

This support has happened in both Democratic and Republican administrations.


If Israel was a island in the Southeast Pacific, without any strategic importance, America would think twice about it.
It is only because of where Israel it is that gives it such importance and the mostly blind eye of American administrations.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:46 AM

8. Sure, and it was rightwingers who advocated that support. Israel is different, in that

it enjoys broad support (especially in Congress and the media) amongst people who self-identify as liberal/progressive--Nancy Pelosi, for example, shamelessly panders to AIPAC.


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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:18 AM

9. Not true unfortunately.

FDR had Batista in Cuba and the Somozas in Nicaragua.
and http://wais.stanford.edu/USA/us_supportforladictators8303.html


But on Congress. Do you actually believe that congress would be so supportive of Israel if it was an island in the South Pacific? The only reason that Israel get such broad support from our law makers is its location as a toe hold for the west in the Mid East.

And speaking on Pelosi. Wasn't she just quoted as saying that a chained CPI isn't a cut to Social Security? Not all our leaders act in the best interests of the USA. Sometimes the are very callous in their view of Democracy and what they allow other Democracies do: while giving them our tax dollars to do it with.

So Israel creeps toward the right little by little while enjoying a lift from the US taxpayer. All the while the Palestinians suffer regardless of who represents them.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:21 AM

10. There are strategic elements and domestic political components to the support.

Somoza and Batista certainly didn't have strong political constituencies here.

Israel at one time had significant strategic value, but it has become an albatross around our necks. Now it gets by on the strength of its domestic political lobby.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:55 AM

13. I agree on all points. Politicians, besides being greedy IMHJO,


are also terrified of political treats and the loss of $$. I believe that most US politicians accept AIPAC donations, and that is a problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee

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Response to Harry_Scrote (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:47 AM

12. Israel is a very right wing country at this point

At some points in the 1990's the center had more power, not anymore

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:25 AM

4. This is not the Israel of Ben Gurion and Golda Meir.

It's the Israel of Avigdor Lieberman, Bibi Netanyahu, and Naftali Bennett.

Ariel Sharon would be considered a left-center figure in today's Israel.

Which is why the strongest support for that state in the US is found on the far right, and why it is lessening amongst liberals and progressives and moderates.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:45 AM

11. IIRC, Moshe Dayan was fairly liberal too, right?

n/t

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:49 AM

14. Your last sentence is not true

The far right hates Israel. Listen to Pat Buchanan sometime.

Moderate Democrats in Congress are some of Israel's staunchest supporters.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:10 PM

16. There is no Buchanan wing of the conservative movement anymore.

It's been replaced by the Tea Party crowd which, Rand Paul aside, loves Israel hard.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:16 PM

18. Those guys are end timers.


Be careful of who wants to be your friend and why.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:09 PM

15. What Happened to Israel???

 

My one and only trip there was 19 years ago, but everyone I spoke with wanted peace, and most wanted a Palestinian state.

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Response to malz (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:11 PM

17. Neo-Zionists ruined the fucking place...

 

The original Zionists were secular Jews who wanted to build a secular, socialist, multiracial utopia on the land of the Ancient Israelites. That ended the day they decided to become a pawn in Cold War politics. The Right of Return law led to the emergence of a strong religious right as well as to the rise of a secular and nationalist neo-zionist right.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:32 PM

19. Current head of Labor is trying to restore a commitment to Social Justice in Israel

She gives example in this video of how everything starts there and how there is confusion among the Israeli electorate about left and right.

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