HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » Latest Breaking News (Forum) » India Teen Commits Suicid...
Introducing Discussionist: A new forum by the creators of DU

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:20 PM

 

India Teen Commits Suicide After Police Pressure Her To Drop Gang Rape Case, Marry Attacker

Source: The Huffington Post

A 17-year-old Indian girl who was gang-raped committed suicide after police pressured her to drop the case and marry one of her attackers, police and a relative said on Thursday.

Amid the ongoing uproar over the gang-rape of a student on a bus in New Delhi earlier this month, the latest case has again shone the spotlight on the police's handling of sex crimes.

One police officer has been sacked and another suspended over their conduct after the assault during the festival of Diwali on November 13 in the Patiala region in the Punjab, according to officials.

The teenager was found dead on Wednesday night after swallowing poison.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/27/india-gang-rape-suicide_n_2370859.html



This is one of those stories that makes me think it wouldn't be a bad thing for the human race--all of us--to be wiped from the face of this planet.

46 replies, 5966 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 46 replies Author Time Post
Reply India Teen Commits Suicide After Police Pressure Her To Drop Gang Rape Case, Marry Attacker (Original post)
malz Dec 2012 OP
NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #1
azurnoir Dec 2012 #20
aquart Dec 2012 #23
mettamega Dec 2012 #2
question everything Dec 2012 #3
Heather MC Dec 2012 #7
musical_soul Dec 2012 #15
Scairp Dec 2012 #38
JCMach1 Dec 2012 #36
triplepoint Dec 2012 #4
R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #10
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #26
chuckstevens Dec 2012 #5
zbdent Dec 2012 #6
Odin2005 Dec 2012 #8
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #27
SoapBox Dec 2012 #9
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #11
aquart Dec 2012 #22
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #24
Ash_F Dec 2012 #25
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #12
rollin74 Dec 2012 #13
salib Dec 2012 #18
ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #14
AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #17
malz Dec 2012 #34
ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #35
Skittles Dec 2012 #16
AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #19
Blue_Tires Dec 2012 #40
aquart Dec 2012 #21
LynneSin Dec 2012 #28
closeupready Dec 2012 #29
LynneSin Dec 2012 #30
avebury Dec 2012 #31
LynneSin Dec 2012 #37
JI7 Dec 2012 #39
closeupready Dec 2012 #33
Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #45
sbmvv Dec 2012 #46
proudleftist526 Dec 2012 #32
sbmvv Dec 2012 #41
Arkana Dec 2012 #42
sbmvv Dec 2012 #43
sbmvv Dec 2012 #44

Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:25 PM

1. What DUers don't know about affairs in India would fill the Indian Ocean...

And pour over into the Atlantic.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:58 AM

20. +1 agreed

it fell off the radar once India was replaced as the bad guy du jour

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:21 AM

23. I read Vikram and the Vampire.

That did India for me.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:26 PM

2. our possible humanness

I been feeling very sad lately about the human condition, esp. for girls, women around the world, including here in the USA - so appreciate how you are feeling - and some of us are really doing our best to mature into our possible humanness - something that we have to want and work at

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:41 PM

3. That's horrible

I would have considered India a tolerant country with all the diversity that it has.

Obviously, I am wrong.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to question everything (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:25 PM

7. I have read that the treat of women in India is horrible

because their is a shortage of women sometimes a woman have to make a baby with her single brother inlaw.
She basicaly has to be the wife of all the men in the household. And of course if she refuses they just force her.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to question everything (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:04 PM

15. India isn't enlightened.

They still have problems with female infanticide, sex-selective abortion, and dowries. It's really sad.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to musical_soul (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:49 PM

38. Don't forget about marriage

Virtually all marriages are arranged, meaning neither the bride nor the groom gets to select their partner. It's considered dishonorable for anyone to choose their own spouse. The family has to do it for them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to question everything (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:37 AM

36. India is rather conservative

And VERY Patriarchal

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:44 PM

4. Ok...I'll Say It: India, You're a Fucked-Up Country!

 

and I don't care if this post gets removed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to triplepoint (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:51 PM

10. What countries aren't fu@ked up in one way or another?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:36 PM

26. Fictitioustan is doing pretty well these days. (nt)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:44 PM

5. Words Cannot Convey My Deep Sorrow

My heart goes out to the young lady and her family. I am so sorry that this was the tragic ending to such her brief 17 years on this earth. She should have experienced the joys we take for granted; falling in love, getting married, maybe being a a mother, and to grow old surrounded by family and friends. Instead, these animals defiled this young girl her and to ad insult to injury, the police refused to take action. Was there no one on that bus who had the courage to try and stop it? Sometime I'm ashamed to be a member of the human race.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:02 PM

6. to be honest, I thought the post said "Indiana teen", not India teen ...

but, that might be the headline in the not-too-distant future, the way Indiana goes ...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:37 PM

8. There are no words...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Odin2005 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:38 PM

27. Plenty of words, they'd probably just start running afoul of TOSes. (nt)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:46 PM

9. ...sick.

WTF is with men?

"One police officer has been sacked and another suspended over their conduct..."

How about jailed?!?!?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SoapBox (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:52 PM

11. The officers didn't commit the crime.

They just failed to act upon it. Not sure if there's actually a law to prosecute them under.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:18 AM

22. No, dear. They actively worked to REWARD the crime.

Not that easy for some men to get a wife. They were packaging the victim and making her a gift.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to aquart (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:52 PM

24. I can't get into the Huffpo article for some reason.

So I have to rely on the bit posted above or go looking for another article.

Is there a law that the officer broke? I'm with you on the outrage, I just don't see where that country's laws were obviously violated by the police officer.

This is a human rights issue, and not every nation recognizes and protects such rights equally, unfortunately. I have read of this sort of thing in other countries, I'm a little surprised it happened in India, but then again, they at least fired him, so that suggests it's not 'operating as intended'.

But was it illegal? Obviously it should be, but I don't know if their laws make it a valid expectation that the officer would be in jail for this.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:27 PM

25. Sometimes I wish cops could go to jail for not doing their jobs

Right here in the good ol' U S of A.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:53 PM

12. Animals.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:54 PM

13. sickening



I cannot comprehend the notion that a rape victim should be expected to marry her attacker

absolutely disgusting

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rollin74 (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:01 AM

18. Yep. Just like "lie back and enjoy it" Todd Aiken

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:55 PM

14. Subject line of doom.

This is one of those stories that makes me think it wouldn't be a bad thing for the human race--all of us--to be wiped from the face of this planet.


Don't worry, we most likely will be.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #14)


Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:36 PM

34. We're doing a very good job of it, aren't we?

 

On a much lighter note, I love your Stalking Zombie!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:29 PM

35. Seems that way, and thanks! nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:53 PM

16. sick, SICK culture

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:03 AM

19. Damn sad, indeed.

Indeed, it does make one despair for humanity. I seriously hope the bastards who did this get a LOOOONNNGGG prison term for this shit.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 06:18 PM

40. +1

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:15 AM

21. Sacked? He was only sacked?

I want his balls in a small box.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:00 PM

28. According to Wiki there are 940 women to every 1000 men in that country - that's messed up

For the longest time Indians practiced sex selection in order to get a prefered male child. Although Dowry were banned in 1961 they still happen and meant that if you're stuck with a girl you were gonna have to come up with alot of cash to help get your child married.

Although Dowry is banned in India there is still that stigma that somehow a boy is better than a girl.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LynneSin (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:21 PM

29. How does that figure in this news story?

?? Honestly curious what your point is.

How does a jurisdiction's gender ratio correlate with incidence of heterosexual rape?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to closeupready (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:43 PM

30. Men are finding it harder to find brides

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LynneSin (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:03 PM

31. The families with daughters need to get

smart and start demanding that the families with sons come up with a dowry. After all the families with daughters should be able to be pickier about who they marry their daughters off too.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to avebury (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:51 PM

37. Pretty much what is happening

Mind you not with dowry. But probably why the judge wanted that girl to marry one of her rapists - those guys probably weren't finding brides

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to avebury (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:05 PM

39. also many are not as traditional as before, so not only do you have

fewer females, but even in some cases where that female would have married the guy through the traditional way she is refusing to .

i read an article where many of them were even preferring indians guys who live/work abroad even non indian citizens .

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LynneSin (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:13 PM

33. But even if one can argue that rape can sometimes be about sex,

/lack of brides, you can't reasonably argue that in this specific case it was.

And certainly, even if you were inclined to try to argue that point, you can't deny that there are female prostitutes available.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LynneSin (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:22 PM

45. If there are so few women...they shouldn't need a dowry to get married. Instead

the men should be the ones to give the wife's family a dowry. Then maybe people wouldn't be trying to get rid of their female babies.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #45)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:30 PM

46. Might surprise you

But an anthropological survey of India done in the early 1990s found that 6/10 communities practiced "bride price" where the bride's family is paid. Dowry in reverse.

Would add of course that Punjab is not one of them.

Never think that you understand that country when the people there themselves don't.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:11 PM

32. poor girl. may she rest in peace

 

and may the people who caused her suffering burn in hell

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:02 PM

41. I think some views I posted on another thread have some bearing here

To restate: I hope that as a Hindu, male of Indian descent I am not viewed as persona non-grata on this particular thread.

Punjab has the record for the lowest rape conviction rate in all of India at 10.8% of reported rapes.

Now to some statistical perspective on Rape in India.

In India, it is suggested that only 10% of rapes are reported.

See:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/The+iceberg+of+rape/1/46911.html

Note something interesting from the article:

"People from the upper class and the middle class do not report rape cases. It is mostly the people from the lower class that come out to seek police intervention."

Horrible statistics to be sure but consider even in the United States the following:

"It's widely recognized that rape is one of the most underreported offenses in the United States with empirical studies estimating that merely 15-20 percent of cases are reported to the police,"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gE1QS2fCilbjwmlhX-gawdmUgk_g

If we are to compare 2009 statistics for the US and 2011 statistics for India we see that the in the US there were 88,907 rapes reported and in India there were 24,206.

I will leave the mathematical scaling due to under-reporting to you.

Even in as safe a place as the United Kingdom we have this stunning analysis:

http://www.surrey.ac.uk/mediacentre/press/2009/16532_between_7090_rapes_thought_to_go_unreported_and_94_of_reported_cases_dont_end_in_a_conviction.htm

"Fear of not being believed, not wanting to get their attacker - who is often known to them - into trouble and a sense that they could or should have avoided the assault mean only a fraction of rape cases are being reported. Of those reported, 50-66% are dropped by police, and of the remaining cases that go on to be considered by the Crown Prosecution Service, 33-50% are discontinued.

About 14,000 cases were reported last year to police, but academics suggest there to be seven times as many unreported cases."


What angers the protesters in India is the apparent intransigence of officials.

When Indian police choose to act, they do arrest and charge somebody in 93.8% of reported cases. However, the conviction rate (based on the total number of reported cases) is 26.4%. This is a sharp drop from 46% in 1971 but apparently (and to me shockingly) still higher than the conviction rates in the UK, the US and even Sweden. Indeed it would appear that 15/16 rapists in the US go unpunished (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gE1QS2fCilbjwmlhX-gawdmUgk_g).

Consider how bad Punjab is to have a conviction rate of only 10.8%

However, to get those results, the victim (even when the police are well-intentioned - which does on occasion occur ), is put through a horrible ordeal. There is no sensitivity or apparent compassion shown and of course in some cases the Police are reluctant to do anything (witness what happened to the poor girl who committed suicide after the Police forced her to drop the case) and are in collusion with the criminals.

Even after overcoming those hurdles, the Court process is stunningly slow. Cases drag on and on. Each day that passes demoralizes the victim who is usually bereft of much needed support.

Until that changes, the outrage and the anger will grow against the authorities.

Furthermore, women in India - especially in urban areas - are subjected to widespread sexual harassment that has been termed (idiotically in my view) eve-teasing which makes a simple daily commute a horrendous experience.

It should be noted that we are not talking about a majority or even a substantial minority of Indian men doing this but that it occurs on a very wide scale in undeniable.

Delhi, it should be noted, is the worst offender in this regard (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/delhi-witnesses-more-rapes-than-the-next-five-metros-put-together/311263-3.html).

This is where the blame cannot solely lie with the authorities but with a deeper societal malaise.

Also, patriarchy, arranged marriages and religious affiliation are red-herrings in this debate.

We know that India was seemingly safer for women in 1953 and these assaults on women - verbal physical or otherwise - while by no means unknown - was much less prevalent and that when the country was even more tradition bound and held in the thrall of such practices and beliefs.

Don't misunderstand me - I do not support patriarchy or the conservative interpretations of religious texts used to subordinate women. I simply say that things have gotten worse even when there have been strides in shaking the old order.

The issues are not closely linked. The old order has to be shaken up and some of it dismantled for reasons unconnected with rape.

Certainly a patriarchal society can easily become misogynistic as parts of India (read Haryana and Punjab) have become.

However, India's religious patriarchy or social-ills (and there are many) do not explain why in countries where they don't exist, crimes against women and rape in particular are so common as to be almost endemic.

See for example Korea:

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/2009/08/high-rates-of-subway-sexual-harassment-in-korea-and-japan/
http://asia-gazette.com/news/south-korea/127
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/07/south-korea-confront-rapes-after-girls-death/
http://thegrandnarrative.com/category/korean-feminism/sexual-harassment-korean-feminism/

or the links I provided for the US and the UK.


I firmly believe that the rise in crime against women in India is as a result is an unresponsive, unsympathetic and corrupt police force, a lack of adequate victim support from either family or society and a ponderous judicial system where law-breakers are unpunished.


What I would ask is that blanket views of disparagement or disdain for India and us Indians (not that it is entirely undeserved) be tempered by the realization that even we in the so-called developed world, with our attitude of cultural and moral superiority have done an awful job of protecting women from rapists or at even getting justice for them when rape happens.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:40 PM

42. India's socially conservative to the point of almost idiocy.

This is shit that SHOULD NOT HAPPEN in a civilized country.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Arkana (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 01:52 PM

43. I agree

To a point I agree - certainly about it not happening in any country.

However, India is not a socially conservative as you might think.

People in the main do not consider these things right. They get angry when police don't act.

Khap panchayats can make decrees that are misogynistic and which are then ignored.

What is the problem is an unresponsive Police force and a dangerous tendency towards outright misogynism in Harayna and Punjab.

As to your point about a "civilized country". I agree.

Just as the murder of 26 children at a school should not occur.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malz (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:07 PM

44. An important update

"The ASI Nasib Singh, who was dismissed from service on Thursday and was on Friday booked for abetment to suicide of the gangrape victim, has been arrested"

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/419217/20121230/patiala-gang-rape-victim-commits-suicide-dismissed.htm

Some additional details:

Sources said that the IG Paramjit Singh Gill and SSP Patiala Gurprit Gill were unaware about the suicide since the SHO deleted the details of the rape case from the crime report compiled at the district headquarters every day.


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/patiala-girl-commits-suicide-after-gangrape-blames-cops-for-humiliating-her/1/239705.html

On the rapists:

the girl was allegedly raped by two persons Balwinder Singh and Gurpreet Singh with the connivance of a woman, identified as Shinderpal Kaur.

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/patiala-gangrape-victim-suicide-months-after-the-ghastly-incident-and-days-after-the-death-of-victim-punjab-govt-says-will-probe-case/1051468

In addition to this:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/119306-delhi-patiala-show-the-way-rape-victims-come-forward.html

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread