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Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:29 PM

 

Gun group offers training for Utah teachers

Source: Houston Chronicle

WEST VALLEY CITY, Utah (AP) — Jessica Fiveash sees nothing wrong with arming teachers. She's one herself, and learned Thursday how to safely use her 9 mm Ruger with a laser sight.

"If we have the ability to stop something, we should do it," said the elementary school teacher, who along with nearly 200 other teachers in Utah took six hours of free gun training offered by the state's leading gun lobby.

It is among the latest efforts to arm or train teachers to confront assailants after a gunman killed his mother and then went on a rampage through Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., killing 20 children and six adults before killing himself.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Gun-group-offers-training-for-Utah-teachers-4148166.php

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:41 PM

1. The gun laws in Utah are quite relaxed

Many teachers may already have their CCW, something I support. That does not mean I want them carrying in the classroom

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:43 PM

2. Oh Great, a pro-gun lobbying organization spreading their propaganda.


Guns are good is their message.

From this lobbying group's website: "Make no mistake, those that would take guns away from American’s are not trying to find a solution to the shootings of late, rather they are just trying to take advantage of them." -- Utah Shooting Sports Council

Looks to me like they could use some grammar and civics lessons.


Links to NRA, and even John Lott.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:59 PM

3. What could possibly go wrong?

Let's give every country nukes too! It will be such a great deterrent.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:36 PM

5. Because personal sidearms are just like nukes?

 

Please expound, and put me on your newletter subscription list....

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:41 PM

6. Because school personel are all so unequivocally sane and could never go over the edge

just like dictators

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:44 PM

8. ^^^THIS^^^

is why a reasonable conversation on gun control cannot take place.

How about you stop with the nonsensical hyperbole and try to add something constructive to the conversation.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:55 PM

10. Don't hold your breath....

 

unless you are an experienced free-diver....

But thanks for the support.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:08 PM

11. I've gotten so tired of the hysterical, nonsensical hyperbole masquerading as a coherent

argument we see here right now. FUCK! How can one expect to find common ground when anything short of tacit agreement and slobbering approval of every gun-grabbers hoplophobic fantasy gets one branded a "gun nut" or "an NRA apologist"? And they wonder where the Right comes up with their unfounded fear of the Left!

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:35 PM

12. No hyperbole there!

hilarious

I remember when DU was a liberal site!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:05 AM

13. when they toss around the word HYPERBOLE

you know it is getting DEEP!

EXTRA POINTS FOR HOPLOPHOBIC!!!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:54 PM

9. School teachers have exactly the types of background checks that pro-restrictionists wail for.

 

Is that no longer good enough, and we now have to move the goal posts... again?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:06 PM

4. Like teacher are not human beings. n/t

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:42 PM

7. Exactly. How do we know who will be exposed to the wrong substances and flip out?

But, given people flip out all the time, we should give people more guns. That is the definition of insanity.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:17 AM

14. So what do YOU propose

that is politically feasible and won't be thrown out in a court battle?

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:27 AM

15. If guns make schools safer, when will they arm all the children? Logical extension

of that reasoning is arm the children too, in case the teacher gets shot, not?

I propose that schools not become armories, PERIOD!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:46 PM

16. The armed security/police are already in the schools

"Nationwide, at least 23,000 schools — about one-third of all public schools — already had armed security on staff as of the most recent data, for the 2009-10 school year, and a number of states and districts that do not use them have begun discussing the idea in recent days. " 6th paragraph here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/us/nra-calls-for-armed-guards-at-schools.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Course most, if not all, are in the high schools. And yes I am aware that Columbine had an armed police officer assigned to the school, he was off site when the Columbine shooting occurred

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm

I will also note that the Newtown, CT police department has 1 Youth Services officer and 2 School Resources officers, which I presume are assigned to the high school:

http://www.newtown-ct.gov/Public_Documents/NewtownCT_Police/Roster%20Folder/roster2

I have read that from the time the first shot was fired until the first police officer responded was 20 minutes. I am not sure where in that timeframe the first 911 call was placed.

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