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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:50 PM

UnrepentantLiberal (11,700 posts)

Israel builds new fence along Syria border

Source: The Australian

ISRAEL is building a new and better fence along its border with Syria to prepare for likely instability after the expected fall of President Bashar al-Assad, a military official says.

The new obstacle aims to strengthen an existing barrier along the 90-kilometre armistice line between the Israeli- and Syrian-controlled part of the Golan Heights, Major Arye Shalicar said.

It will include cameras and trenches, he said.

Israel's border with Syria, secured in some areas by a relatively basic fence, has been considered stable for years.

The Syria conflict is the main reason for the construction of a new one, but the protests of June 5 and May 15, 2011 also played a role, when hundreds of Syrians and Palestinians took Israel by surprise by storming the border to mark the so-called "Naksa" (setback) and "Nakba" (catastrophe).

Read more: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/israel-builds-new-fence-along-syria-border/story-fn3dxix6-1226544016836

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Israel builds new fence along Syria border (Original post)	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2012	OP
In other words, they're building a fence through Syria's southwestern corner, NOT on the border	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#1
We have plans to do the same thing	JustABozoOnThisBus	Dec 2012	#3
You're right, winning a war does not give you conquest rights	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#8
I'm not so sure about the conquest rights belonging to the past	JustABozoOnThisBus	Dec 2012	#10
I'd suggest learning what international law says about it	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#11
I'd suggest you learn some manners!	malz	Dec 2012	#12
Whether I'm rude or not does not change that the poster is ignorant of facts	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#14
The acquisition of territory by war may be "inadmissible" ...	JustABozoOnThisBus	Dec 2012	#15
You may want to open a dictionary to find out the difference between	question everything	Dec 2012	#7
+1	malz	Dec 2012	#13
"Borders"?	Diyames	Dec 2012	#2
semitic is a base language of all the middle east....	madrchsod	Dec 2012	#4
true	libodem	Dec 2012	#5
Good thing. All Syria need to do is start sending tanks	question everything	Dec 2012	#6
At this rate.....	DeSwiss	Dec 2012	#9

Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:23 AM

Scootaloo (5,840 posts)

1. In other words, they're building a fence through Syria's southwestern corner, NOT on the border

Oh it's "The Australian" I see... Well, I guess that explains the shit-quality geography.

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Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:11 AM

JustABozoOnThisBus (9,914 posts)

3. We have plans to do the same thing

We might build a fence along what "we" call the "Texas-Mexico Border". This will serve to cement the lie that Texas is part of the U.S., when it is really part of Mexico.

Just because we won a war is no reason to keep the land.

Right?

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:26 PM

Scootaloo (5,840 posts)

8. You're right, winning a war does not give you conquest rights

Welcome to the 21st century. It's a bit different from the 19th century, and extremely different from the 4th Century BCE. I'm happy you could join us.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:52 PM

JustABozoOnThisBus (9,914 posts)

10. I'm not so sure about the conquest rights belonging to the past

Last edited Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:56 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

We'll see, if Argentina makes another run at the Malvinas/Falklands.

Or who owns the islands and mineral rights in the East China Sea.

As for the Golan Heights, I think that was way back in the 20th century. The rationale (iirc) was that Syria was using its Golan Heights as an artillery base, lobbing shells at Israeli settlements below. This was probably viewed as a hostile use, so Israel seized part of the Heights in the Six-Day war. What should Israel do with the area, after these 45 years, give it back to Assad? So he (or his successors) can resume the shelling?

But, I was surprised when Israel gave back the Sinai peninsula in a peace settlement with Egypt.

The new fence is not surprising. Netenyahu is not nearly the "peacenik" that Begin was.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:06 PM

Scootaloo (5,840 posts)

11. I'd suggest learning what international law says about it

I've got no time left for DU'ers who think the real world looks like a came of "Civilization."

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:08 PM

malz (89 posts)

12. I'd suggest you learn some manners!

If you think your Coarsened Citizen of the Real World act makes you look cool, let me assure you it does not.

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Response to malz (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:33 AM

Scootaloo (5,840 posts)

14. Whether I'm rude or not does not change that the poster is ignorant of facts

The Golan heights are part of Syria. The border with Israel is roughly ten miles to the West of where this fence is being built. The acquisition of territory by war is inadmissible.

Also, when I'm rude, you'll fucking know it. Thanks

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Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:04 AM

JustABozoOnThisBus (9,914 posts)

15. The acquisition of territory by war may be "inadmissible" ...

... but it's still a "done deal".

I doubt if some little fence is being built to withstand any invasion by Syrian military. I'd guess its purpose is to stop or control any flow of Syrian refugees fleeing the strife in the other part of Syria.

That part of the Golan Heights seems pretty well populated by Israeli settlements, towns, even ski resorts, and I'd guess Israel is ignoring any "eviction notice" that Syria has filed with whoever might enforce "international law" in this case. Israel is probably not disposed to return it to Syria unless some force can re-acquire the territory. By war.

Scootaloo, do you envision a court in the Hague finding for Assad, and convincing Israel to remove themselves from the Golan Heights territory? How can this play out? Blue-helmeted enforcers?

I think, in the case of this disputed territory, Syria has "reaped the whirlwind".

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:59 PM

question everything (24,750 posts)

7. You may want to open a dictionary to find out the difference between

a cease fire line and a border.

And then talk about "shit-quality" geography

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Response to question everything (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:27 PM

malz (89 posts)

13. +1

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:04 AM

Diyames (30 posts)

2. "Borders"?

I think only Israel decides where it's borders are. The rest of the world just has to take their word for it lest we be declared antisemitic. Oh well...

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Response to Diyames (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:43 AM

madrchsod (55,708 posts)

4. semitic is a base language of all the middle east....

but i get what you mean. yes we must not speak ill of our friends.

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Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:59 AM

libodem (11,811 posts)

5. true

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:57 PM

question everything (24,750 posts)

6. Good thing. All Syria need to do is start sending tanks

against Israel and all of a sudden it will be the good guy. The martyr worth worshipping.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:50 PM

DeSwiss (17,172 posts)

9. At this rate.....

...they'll be living in a fenced-in prison by 2016.

- Mr. Netanyahu tear down all these walls!!!!

If the modern state of Israel had existed 2000 years ago, the
Holy Family would have found this at Bethlehem…

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