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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:50 PM

Report: Right wing plots coup to oust Boehner

Source: Salon/Alternet


The Ohio congressman's days as House speaker could be numbered -- and Tea Partyers appear to be keeping count

BY ADELE M. STAN, ALTERNET

When members of Congress vote next month to determine who shall lead the House, odds are increasingly dim for House Speaker John Boehner’s hold on power.

Since the failure of his Plan B proposal for extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all but the riches Americans — those with an annual income of $1 million or more — pundits and pols have been raising the spectre of a new speaker of the House come the next Congress. The pundits, for once, appear to be onto something.

At the right-wing Brietbart.com, Matthew Boyle writes of a plan by conservatives to wrest the speaker’s gavel from Boehner by changing the rules of the vote to a secret ballot, under the reasoning that, if Boehner was unable to determine who voted against him, he would be unable to visit retribution on those members should his speakership survive the vote.

Although Boyle relies entirely on unnamed sources, he obtained a document laying out the plan, which is currently being circulated among right-wing members of the House. The irony is that they plan to use Boehner’s promotion of an anti-union position favored by the Tea Party as the rationale for making the rules change.





Read more: http://www.salon.com/2012/12/26/report_right_wing_plots_coup_to_oust_boehner/

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Reply Report: Right wing plots coup to oust Boehner (Original post)
DonViejo Dec 2012 OP
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #1
arcane1 Dec 2012 #2
Cha Dec 2012 #29
Katashi_itto Dec 2012 #3
KansDem Dec 2012 #4
Roland99 Dec 2012 #5
DJ13 Dec 2012 #6
Crowman1979 Dec 2012 #7
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2012 #46
DeSwiss Dec 2012 #50
99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #8
southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #9
TDale313 Dec 2012 #27
southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #39
onehandle Dec 2012 #10
madrchsod Dec 2012 #11
PatrynXX Dec 2012 #12
malthaussen Dec 2012 #13
eggplant Dec 2012 #15
Hekate Dec 2012 #53
Kablooie Dec 2012 #35
malz Dec 2012 #47
bucolic_frolic Dec 2012 #14
Mz Pip Dec 2012 #16
railsback Dec 2012 #17
DCKit Dec 2012 #40
railsback Dec 2012 #44
DCKit Dec 2012 #48
cosmicone Dec 2012 #18
groundloop Dec 2012 #19
L0oniX Dec 2012 #20
BainsBane Dec 2012 #21
DCKit Dec 2012 #41
BainsBane Dec 2012 #45
Melinda Dec 2012 #51
Ken Burch Dec 2012 #22
No Vested Interest Dec 2012 #26
David in Canada Dec 2012 #32
David in Canada Dec 2012 #30
Ken Burch Dec 2012 #36
JanT Dec 2012 #23
brooklynite Dec 2012 #24
sofa king Dec 2012 #25
loyalkydem Dec 2012 #28
Jim Lane Dec 2012 #31
No Vested Interest Dec 2012 #34
Jim Lane Dec 2012 #37
wordpix Dec 2012 #42
creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #33
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #38
wordpix Dec 2012 #43
DeSwiss Dec 2012 #49
Hekate Dec 2012 #52

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:52 PM

1. They'll leave a trail of bourbon shots to a farm up state, where he can play and run free.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:57 PM

2. Ah, the secret ballot, a favorite among the transparent-government crowd

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:54 PM

29. That struck me too.. always the sniveling little cowards.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:59 PM

3. Yaaa! Goo Teabaggers...! Nothing like concentrating the crazynesss... to help

your cause~!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:03 PM

4. Will they send him home on one of their nifty buses?



Paid for by the Koch Bros?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:06 PM

5. How many are missing Bugman these days?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:11 PM

6. I hope they succeed

A fractured GOP is a neutered GOP.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:13 PM

7. IT'S TIME FOR THE PITY PARTY!!!



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Response to Crowman1979 (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:48 PM

46. +1

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Response to Crowman1979 (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:15 AM

50. +1000 n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:20 PM

8. .

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:20 PM

9. OK well if we know about the plan don't you think Boner knows? I bet he already knows.

 

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:43 PM

27. Probably. OTOH,

He doesn't seem to have known he didn't have the votes in his own caucus for his "Plan B" vote, so who really knows what Boehner knows at this point.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:12 AM

39. Yes but then again they still are in denial they lost the election. They think they still

 

are in charge because they got the majority in the house and of course they don't realize it was because they love gerrymandering. LOL

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:27 PM

10. Good. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:28 PM

11. boner knows the crazy ass mf`s in the republican party want him gone

they do`t give a shit if they bring down the american economy and throw the world into another recession. their aim is to blame that black guy in their whitehouse and nurture him in the 2014 elections.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:29 PM

12. I would expect if they picked someone further to the right of John..

GOP will be the third party an Libertarians will actually be a real party.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:45 PM

13. So we get Cantor. This is an improvement? n/t

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:05 PM

15. Yep. Watch their party continue to implode. 2014 will give us the House as well. n/t

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Response to eggplant (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:48 AM

53. If we dedicate ourselves to GOTV, it could definitely happen. Otherwise we get more RW radicals....

... who hate the very idea of government.

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:39 AM

35. The baggers want Paul Ryan.

Either way, the house is going to continue it's descent into unsanitary insanity.

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:00 PM

47. No

 

I don't want that fool anywhere near the line of presidential succession!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:03 PM

14. The House will be in total chaos

unless some of the few remaining moderate Republicans combine with
Democrats to pass bills.

Those 10 seats we picked up just might amount to something yet.
They seemed disappointing at the time, but it's 201, 10 closer to
a tie, and only 17 away from it.

But I'm sceptical GRIDLOCK won't be the result.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:51 PM

16. I love it

Lets have a steel cage death match. Or nekkid mud wrestling. That might be entertaining.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:54 PM

17. Bullshit

 

Boehner will remain Speaker. There's no lobbying for any certain candidate and the animosity towards the Teabaggers is pretty extreme. Fact is, no one wants the job. As far as naming someone not elected by the public to be the Speaker, I find that reasoning very psychotic. The Speaker is #3 in the chain of command. That's like being elected president, and then picking your VP.

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Response to railsback (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:14 PM

40. We all have our opinions, but the knives have been out since 2010.

 

Those who don't want the job are the last sane (R)s. The rest are delusional and stupid enough to think they can make it work. The theme from Twilight Zone is on a continuous loop in their pointy little heads.

Whoever takes the job (and I'm hoping it's Cantor) is going down in flames in 2014.

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Response to DCKit (Reply #40)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:58 PM

44. Lobbying to be Speaker is hardly a low-brow affair.

 

Its not something that would go unnoticed by the Capital media. No one wants the job, especially Cantor, since it was he would made the House schedule, giving the Reps a whole week off every month. I don't think the guy has ever written a bill, either.

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Response to railsback (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:39 AM

48. Yet you think that's going to disqualify him from the position.

 

You're a hoot!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:00 PM

18. Just when the people thought they had seen

the craziest of the crazies ....

The teabaggers surprise them.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:36 PM

19. How much would be accomplished with a Speaker who's to the right of Boner?

As much as I dislike Boner I can't help but think that even less would be accomplished by the House with a teabagger as speaker than what they've done in the past 2 years.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:39 PM

20. Happy happy, joy joy

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:40 PM

21. If the GOP splits their votes, doesn't Pelosi win

Last edited Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:03 PM - Edit history (1)

Could this be the way for Dems to control the House? Does anyone here know how the Speaker vote works?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:17 PM

41. The majority party elects the speaker.

 

But your premise is entertaining. Putting a (D) at the head of this ongoing debacle would be the smartest thing they could do. The next two years is going to gravely damage anyone who sits at the head of the table.

But they're not smart.

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Response to DCKit (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:16 PM

45. Everyone doesn't get a vote?

And the majority prevails because they are the majority?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:45 AM

51. Everyone votes; each party nominates someone for Speaker, but the majority party has always won

because they have the majority of votes. So everyone votes, a majority of votes elects the Speaker, although members from either side can vote for the other side too. So it would theoretically be possible for a member of the minority party to get enough votes and become Speaker.

Hope this makes sense.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:01 PM

22. How many votes does Boehner need to survive as speaker?

Does he just need a majority of his caucus, or does he, in fact, need a majority of the entire House?

And, if Boehner is deposed, is there any chance of getting a few of the at-least-somewhat sane 'pugs to back a predominately Dem coalition organization?

Does anybody know on this for sure?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:32 PM

26. Apparently a majority of the House is needed

to choose a Speaker.
(According to L. O'Donnell, I think).
So, if the Republicans split their votes among two people, and Nancy Pelosi had a plurality, that would not be enough.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:27 AM

32. Absolute Majority Needed

An absolute majority of House members is necessary to elect a Speaker, abstentions excepted.

If every person elected is sworn in and votes on January 3rd, John Boehner (or anyone else, for that matter) needs 218 votes to be elected Speaker. If no candidate is elected Speaker, a fresh vote is held until a person is elected.

While there is no precedent of this in the American system, standard parliamentary procedure is that a new round of voting is held until one person gets 218 votes. Candidates can be nominated or dropped each round.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:23 AM

30. The Whole House

The Speaker of the House, while the de facto top partisan in the House, is officially a non-partisan position. Of course, in practice, it goes to whomever is selected by the caucus of the majority caucus.

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Response to David in Canada (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:44 AM

36. What would happen if NOBODY was elected speaker?

Would the House totally grind to a halt in that case?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:06 PM

23. very entertaining watching them implode

i just hope someone crazier than boner doesn't get voted in. i love watching them plot against each other, in secret, behind closed doors.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:34 PM

24. Here's a handy hint for the Coup plotters...

...if everyone knows you're plotting, you're not doing it right...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:08 PM

25. Damned straight.

And this is why the Tea Partiers will never be able to control the House: you must have not a little bit of the stupid in you to be a Tea Partier, and that stupidity will almost certainly translate into procedural incompetence during the rough-and-tumble opening day in the House.

When the new Congress opens with no rules whatsoever in the House, the Tea Partiers simply won't be able to keep up with the maneuvering that the more experienced top-hat Republicans (and more importantly, their more experienced staff and supporting lobbyists) will know by heart.

Now, all of that changes if one of the top-hats bucks up and decides to challenge Boehner from within the ranks of the money-Republicans. Then, suddenly, the predictable intransigence of the Tea Partiers could wind up being the key to what happens next. It could happen, but I think it is unlikely.

Right now I'm wondering if the Tea Partier's knack for saying "no" might be used by House Democrats to temporarily usurp the proceedings themselves. I don't know how it all works well enough to say for sure.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:53 PM

28. But it is fun watching them fight each other

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:24 AM

31. It would be very hard for them to elect someone to the right of Boehner.

The Republicans who support Boehner would be ticked off at the coup and would refuse to support a RW alternative.

The linked article suggests Huntsman as a possibility. The Speaker doesn't need to be a member of the House. The idea is that Huntsman could get some Dem votes and be elected. The Tea Partiers would not have elected one of their own but they would have sent the message that their caucus is not to be trifled with.

I'd rate it as heavily odds-against but not totally out of the question.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:35 AM

34. If a non-member is elected, that person

would not be able to cast votes.

There are 435 seats in the House, and presumsbly they are all filled, following the Nov. election.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #34)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:10 AM

37. That's true, but by custom the Speaker doesn't vote anyway, except in case of a tie. (n/t)

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:26 PM

42. Huntsman? You gotta be kidding

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:33 AM

33. A flaw in the plot?

To have a secret ballot, wouldn't they have to hold a vote that wouldn't be secret to change the rules? Boehner would just punish the people who voted for the secret ballot.

Also, most members know that without the ability of leadership to punish, party unity would fall apart and they would all lose.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:01 AM

38. Of course, right-wingers don't know the Constitution.

Article 1, Section 5:
the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal

We'd just need 87 Dems (out of over 200) to request the yeas and nays be published.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:28 PM

43. ah, yes, the Constitution - good find

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:15 AM

49. GOP.....

...when you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. What you are experiencing is the logical conclusion of the Southern Strategy.

Chickens, roost, etc.

- I know, it's an oldie but a goodie. All the best ones are.....

K&R

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:45 AM

52. Best of all, Chas. Krauthmmer credits Obama's "ruthless skill"...to "fracture and shatter" the GOP

“He’s been using this, and I must say with great skill–-and ruthless skill and success–to fracture and basically shatter the Republican opposition… His objective from the very beginning was to break the will of the Republicans in the House, and to create an internal civil war. And he’s done that.”

It is a delightful read. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/krauthammer-to-hannity-obama-has-successfully-created-an-internal-civil-war-within-the-gop/

So while the House GOP is coup-plotting and back-stabbing, a major pundit is giving Obama the credit for their implosion.

Hekate

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