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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:51 AM

 

Los Angeles' gun buyback event to be held today

Source: Los Angeles Times

The city of Los Angeles is holding its annual gun buyback event at two locations Wednesday in an event that was moved up several months in response to the deadly elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn.

LAPD officials are to be on hand to take back firearms at the L.A. Memorial Sports Arena and the Van Nuys Masonic Temple from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. The guns can be turned in anonymously, with no questions asked, officials said.

The city is offering up to $100 in Ralphs gift cards for handguns, shotguns and rifles, and up to $200 in gift cards for assault weapons.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa created the gun buyback program in 2009. So far, it is credited with getting close to 8,000 firearms off the streets.

Read more: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/12/los-angeles-gun-buyback-event.html

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Reply Los Angeles' gun buyback event to be held today (Original post)
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 OP
Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #1
lunatica Dec 2012 #2
Remmah2 Dec 2012 #4
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #7
Remmah2 Dec 2012 #16
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #20
tblue Dec 2012 #26
nineteen50 Dec 2012 #32
TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #35
lunatica Dec 2012 #11
Remmah2 Dec 2012 #15
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #21
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #24
Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #31
Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #9
lunatica Dec 2012 #12
slackmaster Dec 2012 #13
Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #14
TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #36
Remmah2 Dec 2012 #3
Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #5
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #25
Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #28
Remmah2 Dec 2012 #30
slackmaster Dec 2012 #6
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #8
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #17
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #22
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #23
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #33
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #34
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #10
ywcachieve Dec 2012 #18
slackmaster Dec 2012 #19
xchrom Dec 2012 #27
Recursion Dec 2012 #29

Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:55 AM

1. So I can dump evidence with the help of the LAPD AND get paid for it? NT

 

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Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:01 AM

2. That's right

These gun buy-backs work. They get a Ralphs gift card. Ralphs doesn't sell guns.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:03 AM

4. Gift cards and food stamps can be laundered to buy alcohol and drugs.

 

nt

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:09 AM

7. That makes sense.

 

Not.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:41 AM

16. This is how it works.

 

I sell $100 worth of food stamps or gift cards for $50 cash, then I can buy anything I want.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:46 PM

20. Spin spin spin

 

The guns are off the street. Who cares what they do with the gift card?

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:42 PM

26. Thank you.

What's with the crazy talk. Guns off the street = good!

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:20 PM

32. and the stupid government thinks

it saves money by issuing food stamps or debit cards. Just send cash and forgo all the overhead and banking fees.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:35 PM

35. And what's the street price of a gun?

 

If this isn't at least diluting the suppy of weapons on streets and lying forgotten in cupboards then:

AS SEVERAL THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN POINTING OUT FOR FUCKING YEARS:

THERE IS A FUCKING GREAT WIDE OPEN CONDUIT BETWEEN THE SO CALLED LEGITIMATE GUN MARKET AND THE BLACK MARKET.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:23 AM

11. Yes they can

and many people will do so. What's your point? That these gun buy-backs shouldn't be done because of a few who will use it?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:38 AM

15. If the drug dealers, gangs and violent people used the buy backs it would be worth it.

 

Unfortunatly the gun buy back programs prey on the poor.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:47 PM

21. Prey on the poor?

 

They must love you back at the cave.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:36 PM

24. Prey on the poor? Good Lord.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:00 PM

31. The gun nut will always object to the surrender of firearms

 

The gun nut wants everyone to have a gun, so it's very depressing to them to see people willfully deciding they no longer want to be part of the gun nut lifestyle.

And yes, these programs work very well, which also upsets the gun nut.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:12 AM

9. Please reread my post

 

If I have a gun used in a crime I can now get rid of it no questions asked (IOW the LAPD is going to help me destroy evidence)and get paid for it?

How, exactly, is this a good thing?

Also FWIW the last time LAPD did this a FFL loaded up every single Jimenez Arms gun he had in stock and turned them all in for more than their actual retail value.

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Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:25 AM

12. The gun won't be used to commit anymore crimes

If indeed it ever was. Please point out how this is a bad thing.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:28 AM

13. The problem with that line of thinking, as I see it, is that it is a missed opportunity to catch...

 

...a criminal. Someone who is very likely to go on to commit additional crimes, with another gun or without one.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:31 AM

14. At best it would be a neutral thing

 

If the gun hasn't been used in a crime yet there's a good chance it won't be going forward.

But what if some widow brings in a very expensive gun owned by her late husband, a gun whose value she had no idea of , and the LAPD gives her 100 bucks for a 5000$ dollar collector's item, which has happened BTW.

Do you think that's fair?

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Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:42 PM

36. Since a person can destroy selfsame evidence without...

 

...assistance of LAPD it all comes down to the $100. And anyone stupid enough to hang onto a hot gun just for buyback is probably stupid enough to get themselves caught some other way.

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Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:01 AM

3. I've always wondered if the cops skimmed a few of the prime buybacks for personal use?

 

No paperwork and a free pass on the way in. No 4473's.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:08 AM

5. There's no doubt in my mind that they do NT

 

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Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:38 PM

25. You guys make the perfect tag team, but...

...I really don't understand why you hate gun buybacks. No one is making anyone do anything. It's voluntary.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:51 PM

28. Buy back hate

 

I donít know that I ďhateĒ gun buy backs (how can you buy something back that was never yours to begin with?) but I donít really see the point either. I do take issue with the fact that a criminal can dispose of a gun used in a crime and get paid for it though. Iíd also like to see them be a little more fair when someone shows up with a collectorís item gun (say a Coltís Python) and instead of handing them the 100$ dollar gift card without saying a word having an actually licensed firearm dealer on site to tell the person the actual value of the gun and give them a chance to sell it for what itís really worth.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:55 PM

30. Is it voluntary if it's a con job?

 

Just asking.

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Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:09 AM

6. That's exactly right. Why dump it in McArthur Park Lake when the cops will give you cash for it?

 

Or fabulous prizes?

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:11 AM

8. That makes sense.

 

Not.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:56 AM

17. Why does it not make sense?

The 'no questions asked' nature of these buybacks certainly allows for it, even if you don't believe it encourages it, right?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:49 PM

22. What does it matter how they get rid of the gun?

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:05 PM

23. Because it's a way of destroying evidence.

Filed off serial numbers can often be raised. Discarded guns in fields or trash cans, or you name it, can be ballistic fingerprinted and tested to see if they were used in crimes, and maybe tie some evidence to a person, following the chain of ownership of the weapon, etc.

If you turn in a gun to the police buy-back program, it gets cut in half and destroyed, usually melted down. No questions are asked. No serial numbers checked. No barrels fingerprinted. Etc.


You essentially have a foolproof way to dispose of a gun that was either stolen, or even used in a crime, in a manner that severs any evidence link between the person and the gun.

That seems, at the least, incredibly risky to me.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:49 PM

33. They could just as easily bury it somewhere.

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:50 PM

34. If it was ever found for any reason

then the process begins. Ballistic print, match any crimes? Find the manufacture's sales records. What retailer took it in shipment. Who bought it. Find that person. How did the gun move to a new owner, was it stolen, did that theft have any evidence that might expose the person responsible... etc.

Weapons are found like that all the time.


Go to a buyback program, get a 100 gift card, and the gun is destroyed in a foundry...

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:20 AM

10. They might have better results if they offered more realistic $$$

It would need to be about 5X more

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:26 PM

18. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!


''Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa created the gun buyback program in 2009. So far, it is credited with getting close to 8,000 firearms off the streets.''

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:30 PM

19. The LAPD finds several hundred per year, mostly handguns, that were apparently ditched

 

About 200 from just one urban park lake.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:44 PM

27. Good. Nt

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:54 PM

29. I like these programs as stimulus

From a policy standpoint, I don't know how much good they do, but certainly they do no harm.

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