Tue Dec 25, 2012, 05:24 PM

onehandle (35,457 posts)

New York Journal News Publishes Gun Owners' Names In Westchester, Rockland Counties

Source: Huffington Post

A New York newspaper is under criticism for publishing the names and addresses of local gun owners on Monday.

In a piece titled, "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood," the Journal News requested the names and adresses of local residents who are licensed to own handguns through Freedom of Information Law requests. The paper requested information from Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties. The paper was only given the names and addresses of those who have a license to own a handgun. The paper was denied its requests for the amount and type of guns owned by those who have licenses. Putnam County was still working on the request and has not yet released information to the Journal News.

The article includes an interactive map of Westchester and Rockland counties that allows readers to view those who have a license to own handguns around them.

The article also has an editor's note attached to it describing the type of gun the journalist who wrote the article owns. "Journal News reporter Dwight R. Worley owns a Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Magnum and has had a residence permit in New York City for that weapon since February 2011," it states.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/25/new-york-journal-news-gun-owners-westchester-rockland-counties_n_2362530.html

Good. Every gun, every gun owner should be known.

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New York Journal News Publishes Gun Owners' Names In Westchester, Rockland Counties (Original post)	onehandle	Dec 2012	OP
I agree at this point. If they owned dangerous wildlife like tigers and such, they'd have to	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#1
These are pistol permits	customerserviceguy	Dec 2012	#16
If anything, it's the other way around.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#35
+1000	Tom Ripley	Dec 2012	#110
That's only because	customerserviceguy	Dec 2012	#125
That's only because human beings are smarter than ducks, rabbits, pigs, or whatever?!	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#129
All I'm trying to say	customerserviceguy	Dec 2012	#134
Well, no.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#136
I agree. It was also a violation of privacy	Mojorabbit	Dec 2012	#78
It's an easy roadmap for burglars	customerserviceguy	Dec 2012	#126
The other possibility with doing this...	naaman fletcher	Dec 2012	#39
Exercising their first amendment rights	Warren Stupidity	Dec 2012	#2
Did they need a "permit" to exercise that right? - or any other except the 2nd?	askeptic	Dec 2012	#117
I certainly am all for public records of gun owners.	wanttosavetheplanet	Dec 2012	#3
the North Coast Journal in Humboldt Co CA did that in 2008....	mike_c	Dec 2012	#4
Has anyone here thought of the possibility for a criminal to use	WHEN CRABS ROAR	Dec 2012	#5
OMG! Who would have ever imagined that homes might contain things worth stealing!?	onehandle	Dec 2012	#6
Bury them...	ReRe	Dec 2012	#10
The problem of firearms being stolen from a home	WHEN CRABS ROAR	Dec 2012	#13
my friend is detective on city PD. He never worked a breakin or invasion of a dog owner	pasto76	Dec 2012	#14
Well, here's another one	lolly	Dec 2012	#44
Firearm thieves specialize in cracking safes.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#68
Citation, please?	Orrex	Dec 2012	#74
Hmmm... Does not seem too hard....	virginia mountainman	Dec 2012	#80
Yikes!	Orrex	Dec 2012	#98
Yip	ReRe	Dec 2012	#8
It would be stupid if	RoccoR5955	Dec 2012	#11
Thats interesting	quakerboy	Dec 2012	#12
Most gun safes can be cracked in 10 minutes.	NutmegYankee	Dec 2012	#24
You know very well that it's not for safety.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#36
Increases the safety of the home when the owner is home.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#69
no more than leaving anything valuable in the house	pasto76	Dec 2012	#15
A lot of them get stolen from police cars.	oldbanjo	Dec 2012	#20
The problem is this discourages registration	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#7
might be crossing the line a bit	PatrynXX	Dec 2012	#9
I seem to remember thirty years ago	customerserviceguy	Dec 2012	#17
Yeah, I am uncomfortable with this too.	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#23
Exactly. The DUers cheering this would be screaming bloody murder	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#26
these guns owners are NOT private information, they are public records - your comparison	msongs	Dec 2012	#62
Would you like your DL data published?	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#65
Have your grades or taxes ever shot anyone?	alp227	Dec 2012	#77
Should those nuts screaming outside of abortion clinics be legally barred from doing so?	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#37
I don't suggest the newspaper should be legally prohibited from doing this.	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#49
What is a "responsible gun owner"?	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#50
This is why the NRA gets the traction that it does.	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#96
Ah, see, that last point is where we differ.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#108
Huh? I didn't say anything about joining the NRA.	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#128
I didn't say anything about joining the NRA - I don't know where you got that from.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#130
Pretty sure Meth wouldn't exist if drugs were decriminalized.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#70
I can't really think of many drugs that don't involve using nasty chemicals in their production.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#75
Meth was developed as a workaround for prohibition perimeter controls.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#82
Exactly.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#85
Eventually attrition solves that problem, in a hypothetical decriminalized society.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#89
I think that's likely true.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#91
Totally agree with you there.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#106
I'm not sure that this "we're a violent culture" thing is true.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#111
Go natural, avoid the nasty chemicals and the industrialized drugs...	Comrade Grumpy	Dec 2012	#120
It's not just the end product that will involve harsh chemicals.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#122
So you think having a medical condition is comparable to	NYC Liberal	Dec 2012	#57
The express purpose of having a handgun in one's home	customerserviceguy	Dec 2012	#127
The express purpose is to injure or kill.	NYC Liberal	Dec 2012	#137
No, they're going to do whatever it takes to stop an intruder, of course	customerserviceguy	Dec 2012	#144
I'm new to this topic - what is ADT for...?	goclark	Dec 2012	#149
I can't control my health.	Ruby the Liberal	Dec 2012	#132
And you can't control	customerserviceguy	Dec 2012	#133
Isn't that just a msm variation of the cartoon below?	jody	Dec 2012	#18
A sign like that is an invitation to crooks as where to steal guns.	Whovian	Dec 2012	#21
Absolutely. Some years ago a criminal gang was discovered that used NSSA's annual report on	jody	Dec 2012	#22
Yep. And a once legally owned gun falls in the hands of a criminal. nt	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#30
How do guns protect you in a house burglary?	lolly	Dec 2012	#47
"guns get up and shoot the burglars"? Obviously NO, guns don't get up and commit a crime.	jody	Dec 2012	#53
Guns facilitate aggression much more readily than protection	lolly	Dec 2012	#103
IMO traditional crimes including that with firearms are committed by people who are different than	jody	Dec 2012	#107
Post addresses	rebuke	Dec 2012	#139
Apparently, it's already being done	S_B_Jackson	Dec 2012	#145
If the state of Wisconsin can publish the name of	AllyCat	Dec 2012	#19
Do you agree with what Wisconsin did?	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#27
Someone who holds a license for ANYTHING is subject to FOI requests.	AllyCat	Dec 2012	#84
I don't like this	Skittles	Dec 2012	#25
The people cheering this,	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#29
reminds me of the things the anti-choice folk want to do to women	Skittles	Dec 2012	#31
No surprise, its the same self-righteous zealotry. nt	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#33
"Self-righteous zealotry" - yes, today's DU.	closeupready	Dec 2012	#150
A Chinese co-worker once told me something quite profound about life in an authoritarian state	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#102
You wouldn't want to know if your neighbours owned killing devices?	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#38
I LIVE IN TEXAS	Skittles	Dec 2012	#40
... and? (nt)	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#42
they LEGALLY have guns	Skittles	Dec 2012	#43
Why is it dangerous?	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#45
sorry, no	Skittles	Dec 2012	#46
How is this a "rightwing fascist tactic"?	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#48
It was invented by the anti-abortion and anti-gay facist zealots.	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#60
DU doesn't allow the posting of certain personal information, but DU isn't a newspaper.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#61
Are those things licensed and legal for private citizens to own?	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#72
I think so.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#76
Actually it is.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#83
Please do explain the relevance.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#86
I feel differently about a person who	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#88
I don't see the difference.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#90
The US Department of Justice pins the number of lawful defensive gun uses	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#105
I'm	heaven05	Dec 2012	#28
And why the finger pointing if they have not done anything illegal?	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#32
I wonder how many of the permit holders...	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#34
Someone who wants to be knowledgable about their personal safety?	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#41
If your neighbor has a registered handgun,	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#51
And is my life more in danger if my neigbour doesn't own a killing device at all?	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#52
How the does that work?	NYC Liberal	Dec 2012	#58
Any ex-con with a grudge now knows where they live.	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#59
Also, people who may have been living in anonymous locations to evade abusive	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#73
I can't believe they did that.	Quantess	Dec 2012	#54
And all the lawsuits. nt	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#55
Bad idea	boomerbust	Dec 2012	#56
What about a domestic violance victim, whom has been hiding from a violent ex???	virginia mountainman	Dec 2012	#63
Exactly.	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#66
Rebecca Shaeffer was murdered in 1989 by a stalker who got her address from the California DMV	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#104
Good plan.	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#64
Yep. This is the anti's "legitimate rape" moment...	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#67
Posts like this..	virginia mountainman	Dec 2012	#71
That's a red herring of an argument if I've ever seen one.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#87
Thats you, many folks, realize that the cops tend to only take reports...	virginia mountainman	Dec 2012	#92
Unless you're closely related to	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#94
How many women killed by their partners are shot?	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#95
So your stance is	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#99
My stance is that "guns!" isn't the answer to every question.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#109
There are a few knives	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#112
The sole purpose a gun has is to kill human beings?...	OneMoreDemocrat	Dec 2012	#113
Yes, that is the purpose.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#114
How will publicly publishing legal gun owners' info deter crime?	alp227	Dec 2012	#79
Excerpt from the print article in question...	alp227	Dec 2012	#81
The main database is maintained by the NY State Poilce since 1936...	Historic NY	Dec 2012	#93
And if one is in hiding from an abuser	obamanut2012	Dec 2012	#97
Totally counter productive	booley	Dec 2012	#100
Here is a sample of the kinds of public information about author Dwight R. Worley that ANYONE...	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#101
reprehensible invasion of privacy and the cheerleaders should be ashamed of themselves	Alamuti Lotus	Dec 2012	#115
This message was self-deleted by its author	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#116
I am surprised so many DUers are in support of this!	Quantess	Dec 2012	#118
I'd flip that on its head.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#123
A Constitutional Right does not require permission to exercise	askeptic	Dec 2012	#119
What about voting?	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#124
Good Analogy - What if they recorded your vote for public disclosure (the gun) in a database?	askeptic	Dec 2012	#131
Whether or not you voted already is part of the public record.	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#135
But not HOW - that's the analogy	askeptic	Dec 2012	#138
Well, no one is doing it now, are they?	harmonicon	Dec 2012	#143
Second Amendment, meet FIRST!	malz	Dec 2012	#121
May as well publish names & addresses of all receiving food-stamps and other welfare. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#140
My local paper in Pennsylvania did this more than 20 years ago.	gauguin57	Dec 2012	#141
The newspaper simply collated publicly available information...	LanternWaste	Dec 2012	#142
I have no problem with this whatsoever	Blasphemer	Dec 2012	#146
Do you have a problem with the response?	S_B_Jackson	Dec 2012	#147
Not at all. This is all public information.	Blasphemer	Dec 2012	#153
Have you ever heard of Rebecca Shaeffer?	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#151
Indeed and Jodi Foster was stalked at her college campus	Blasphemer	Dec 2012	#152
I'm saying that gun permits and registration are bad ideas.	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#154
How come they didn't post a list of people with illegal guns?	Remmah2	Dec 2012	#148

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 05:32 PM

kestrel91316 (45,408 posts)

1. I agree at this point. If they owned dangerous wildlife like tigers and such, they'd have to

have a permit that would be a matter of public record.

Parents should have a way of finding out which homes in their neighborhood their children perhaps shouldn't be spending time in.

New York Journal News Publishes Gun Owners' Names In Westchester, Rockland Counties

1. I agree at this point. If they owned dangerous wildlife like tigers and such, they'd have to

16. These are pistol permits

35. If anything, it's the other way around.

110. +1000

125. That's only because

129. That's only because human beings are smarter than ducks, rabbits, pigs, or whatever?!

134. All I'm trying to say

136. Well, no.

78. I agree. It was also a violation of privacy

126. It's an easy roadmap for burglars

39. The other possibility with doing this...

2. Exercising their first amendment rights

117. Did they need a "permit" to exercise that right? - or any other except the 2nd?

3. I certainly am all for public records of gun owners.

4. the North Coast Journal in Humboldt Co CA did that in 2008....

5. Has anyone here thought of the possibility for a criminal to use

6. OMG! Who would have ever imagined that homes might contain things worth stealing!?

10. Bury them...

13. The problem of firearms being stolen from a home

14. my friend is detective on city PD. He never worked a breakin or invasion of a dog owner

44. Well, here's another one

68. Firearm thieves specialize in cracking safes.

74. Citation, please?

80. Hmmm... Does not seem too hard....

98. Yikes!

8. Yip

11. It would be stupid if

12. Thats interesting

24. Most gun safes can be cracked in 10 minutes.

36. You know very well that it's not for safety.

69. Increases the safety of the home when the owner is home.

15. no more than leaving anything valuable in the house

20. A lot of them get stolen from police cars.

7. The problem is this discourages registration

9. might be crossing the line a bit

17. I seem to remember thirty years ago

23. Yeah, I am uncomfortable with this too.

26. Exactly. The DUers cheering this would be screaming bloody murder

62. these guns owners are NOT private information, they are public records - your comparison

65. Would you like your DL data published?

77. Have your grades or taxes ever shot anyone?

37. Should those nuts screaming outside of abortion clinics be legally barred from doing so?

49. I don't suggest the newspaper should be legally prohibited from doing this.

50. What is a "responsible gun owner"?

96. This is why the NRA gets the traction that it does.

108. Ah, see, that last point is where we differ.

128. Huh? I didn't say anything about joining the NRA.

130. I didn't say anything about joining the NRA - I don't know where you got that from.

70. Pretty sure Meth wouldn't exist if drugs were decriminalized.

75. I can't really think of many drugs that don't involve using nasty chemicals in their production.

82. Meth was developed as a workaround for prohibition perimeter controls.

85. Exactly.

89. Eventually attrition solves that problem, in a hypothetical decriminalized society.

91. I think that's likely true.

106. Totally agree with you there.

111. I'm not sure that this "we're a violent culture" thing is true.

120. Go natural, avoid the nasty chemicals and the industrialized drugs...

122. It's not just the end product that will involve harsh chemicals.

57. So you think having a medical condition is comparable to

127. The express purpose of having a handgun in one's home

137. The express purpose is to injure or kill.

144. No, they're going to do whatever it takes to stop an intruder, of course

149. I'm new to this topic - what is ADT for...?

132. I can't control my health.

133. And you can't control

18. Isn't that just a msm variation of the cartoon below?

21. A sign like that is an invitation to crooks as where to steal guns.

22. Absolutely. Some years ago a criminal gang was discovered that used NSSA's annual report on

30. Yep. And a once legally owned gun falls in the hands of a criminal. nt

47. How do guns protect you in a house burglary?

53. "guns get up and shoot the burglars"? Obviously NO, guns don't get up and commit a crime.

103. Guns facilitate aggression much more readily than protection

107. IMO traditional crimes including that with firearms are committed by people who are different than

139. Post addresses

145. Apparently, it's already being done

19. If the state of Wisconsin can publish the name of

27. Do you agree with what Wisconsin did?

84. Someone who holds a license for ANYTHING is subject to FOI requests.

25. I don't like this