Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:40 AM

Atman (26,082 posts)

CNN: NY gunman opens fire on responding firefighters

Last edited Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:47 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Source: CNN

Edited to add local news link. Upstate NY. Firefighters responding to a house fire were met with gunfire. Gunman reportedly using "assault rifle." Fire has now spread to second home.

Read more: http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/shooter-opens-fire-webster-n-y-house-fire-article-1.1226541?localLinksEnabled=false

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98 replies	Author	Time	Post
CNN: NY gunman opens fire on responding firefighters (Original post)	Atman	Dec 2012	OP
Nice...kill the firefighters	adigal	Dec 2012	#1
Firemen, among the bravest of the brave, And now this?	wake.up.america	Dec 2012	#55
2 Firefighters dead (shot fatally) 2 other firefighters seriously wounded....	Pachamama	Dec 2012	#58
Here's a few links:	Cooley Hurd	Dec 2012	#2
Thanks! It figures CNN would be 30 minutes late	Atman	Dec 2012	#4
I've been watching for 10 minutes and nada...	Cooley Hurd	Dec 2012	#9
Maybe if the fire fighters were armed with assault weapons for every fire . . . . .	no_hypocrisy	Dec 2012	#3
My hometown...	Earth_First	Dec 2012	#5
Water cannons?	Atman	Dec 2012	#6
Hello earth. I was alittle surprised to see that happened in Webster.	geckosfeet	Dec 2012	#16
Me too	JustAnotherGen	Dec 2012	#48
Scottsville girl?	Earth_First	Dec 2012	#51
I from Canandaigua and my sister lives in Rochester	Liberalynn	Dec 2012	#82
Sorry to hear. Horrible thing to see happen.	geckosfeet	Dec 2012	#91
It is a very sad thing.	Liberalynn	Dec 2012	#95
I'm in Henrietta... also too close to home. We need to make changes.	Agschmid	Dec 2012	#93
I agree. NY has some of the tougher gun laws. But this shooter was criminal from the get go.	geckosfeet	Dec 2012	#94
Isn't this a technique we've seen on the battlefield?	ileus	Dec 2012	#7
Ambush?	sulphurdunn	Dec 2012	#8
The NRA	bl968	Dec 2012	#10
I thought firemen were armed. n/t	Cleita	Dec 2012	#40
Most State Fire Marshal's are armed.	tradecenter	Dec 2012	#46
That was my thought too. How can they do their job with a gun in one hand?	freshwest	Dec 2012	#53
They are no longer active entry certified firefighters	tradecenter	Dec 2012	#59
They need at least one armed national guard member on each truck?	Shadowflash	Dec 2012	#11
That last line qualifies	Jackpine Radical	Dec 2012	#30
Amen!	cynzke	Dec 2012	#68
Its the price we pay for our constitutional freedoms	Kolesar	Dec 2012	#12
It happened to the LAFD	tradecenter	Dec 2012	#72
They are allowing (at least) two homes burn while the area is being secured...	Earth_First	Dec 2012	#13
How do you defend this nra apologist	loyalkydem	Dec 2012	#14
Livestream link via 10 NBC	Earth_First	Dec 2012	#15
They're saying 4 firefighters were shot - two are dead...	Cooley Hurd	Dec 2012	#20
Thank you for the link	KeepItReal	Dec 2012	#24
How many weapons will they find after the fires are out?	TheCowsCameHome	Dec 2012	#17
What the fuck! eom	City Lights	Dec 2012	#18
WTF???	AllyCat	Dec 2012	#19
B-b-but, you know, guns don't kill people.	Shadowflash	Dec 2012	#33
A semi-automatic slingshot? nt	AllyCat	Dec 2012	#36
Yeah.	Shadowflash	Dec 2012	#43
"90 rock clips"	dixiegrrrrl	Dec 2012	#89
Please reserve me...	mzteaze	Dec 2012	#96
Yes, it's the cars that are killing everyone! N/t	PasadenaTrudy	Dec 2012	#80
Oh great! The babies....	ReRe	Dec 2012	#21
They just said 4 firemen shot and 2 are dead!	Cooley Hurd	Dec 2012	#22
Update: Four firefighters shot; two deceased	Earth_First	Dec 2012	#23
Police have no info on the status of the shooter(s)	KeepItReal	Dec 2012	#25
He must be dead. If they aren't looking for anyone and	AllyCat	Dec 2012	#27
Per the D&C, three houses are burning now...	Cooley Hurd	Dec 2012	#26
the weapon is obviously the innocent victim in this scenario.	Coexist	Dec 2012	#28
so sad and depressing	OKNancy	Dec 2012	#29
So I wake up this morning and more shooting? This time firemen?	Cleita	Dec 2012	#31
They had to stop putting the fire out because of the gunfire.	proud2BlibKansan	Dec 2012	#32
There is stil nothing on CNN	darkangel218	Dec 2012	#34
Obviously the media handlers are blocking this breaking news to play damage control for the NRA	Earth_First	Dec 2012	#38
Four hours after it started, CNN FINALLY has a "Breaking News" link.	AllyCat	Dec 2012	#45
fireman need armed police to protect them	samsingh	Dec 2012	#35
Besides all the other stuff firemen have to wear, now they have to wear bullet proof vests also?	RC	Dec 2012	#37
Absolutely!!!!!	marew	Dec 2012	#52
Just went over to FR...	polmaven	Dec 2012	#39
Another thread says this is a volunteer squad	AllyCat	Dec 2012	#42
I pray that	polmaven	Dec 2012	#47
Totally absurd!	In_The_Wind	Dec 2012	#41
Media won't report it because they will be accused of siding with antis.	louis-t	Dec 2012	#44
Local media 10 NBC reporting a gunman has been 'located'	Earth_First	Dec 2012	#49
Non Western/Central New Yorkers	JustAnotherGen	Dec 2012	#50
Will the NRA suggest guards at all fire sites?	Festivito	Dec 2012	#54
Go a head NRA...defend THIS.	SoapBox	Dec 2012	#56
Now watch the Freepers claim this guy was a Liberal trying to get guns banned.	Spitfire of ATJ	Dec 2012	#57
OMG. What kind of gun was used? What the hell is going on in this country? nt	Honeycombe8	Dec 2012	#60
Assault weapon reported in initial reports. No other info I've seen beyond that.	AllyCat	Dec 2012	#61
Prepare for the usual deluge of assault weapon parsing.	morningfog	Dec 2012	#70
Our Country is seriously Messed Up.....	Pachamama	Dec 2012	#62
The Disease: Republicans And Conservative Ideologies - The Diagnosis: Terminal, The Country Is Dead	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#64
We need a rebirth....	Pachamama	Dec 2012	#65
Ok NRA Apologists And Gun Nuts - How Many More Have To Die - Repeal The 2nd Amendment Now!	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#63
When will this madness stop?	Botany	Dec 2012	#66
This is beyond belief.	yardwork	Dec 2012	#67
UPDATE: Suspect responsible for shooting 4 firefighters, 2 fatally, ... was found dead at scene	Tx4obama	Dec 2012	#69
link here. One of the dead heroes was an off-duty cop	AllyCat	Dec 2012	#75
And another off-duty police officer was injured too	Tx4obama	Dec 2012	#78
ARM the Firefighters!!!!	underpants	Dec 2012	#71
Second Amendment America is a scary place to live, work, go to school, fight fires.....	Dems to Win	Dec 2012	#73
My sister knew one of the voulunteer firefighters that was shot	Liberalynn	Dec 2012	#74
I came up as a volunteer firefighter	tradecenter	Dec 2012	#76
I share your respect for the volunteers	Liberalynn	Dec 2012	#77
NEWS CONFERENCE:	janx	Dec 2012	#79
So Sad..	Cha	Dec 2012	#86
The NRA has the solution to gun violence	workinclasszero	Dec 2012	#81
Guns don't kill people...	sanatanadharma	Dec 2012	#83
What was the official NRA response? - Arm the firefighters?	liberal N proud	Dec 2012	#84
Nah. Hire an NRA member to ride shotgun on every firetruck. (probably)	Bernardo de La Paz	Dec 2012	#88
Let's all guess....	themidniteskulker	Dec 2012	#85
I guess the GOP	DonCoquixote	Dec 2012	#87
Maybe people who own assault weapons need to be put on watch lists...	AntiFascist	Dec 2012	#90
Read the article, he was a felon, he stole the guns.	Ashgrey77	Dec 2012	#98
To pass and sign a bill to shut down gun shows, ban High capacity clips, an assault weapons.	veers23	Dec 2012	#92
He was an ex-convict, killed his grandmother with a hammer.	Remmah2	Dec 2012	#97

Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:42 AM

adigal (4,709 posts)

1. Nice...kill the firefighters

Tragedies like the Ct killings just seem to get every other crazy acting out. Sometimes,,it does see like the end of the world. The end of the sane world.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:15 AM

wake.up.america (3,334 posts)

55. Firemen, among the bravest of the brave, And now this?

These guys will have to make sure the area is secure before engaging a fire, A very nasty proposition.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:19 AM

Pachamama (8,847 posts)

58. 2 Firefighters dead (shot fatally) 2 other firefighters seriously wounded....

Merry Fucking Christmas in the NRA of America everyone!!!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:43 AM

Cooley Hurd (20,691 posts)

2. Here's a few links:

Last edited Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:49 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/shooter-opens-fire-webster-n-y-house-fire-article-1.1226541?localLinksEnabled=false

Webster, NY, near Rochester.

Local ABC Affiliate coverage

Democrat & Chronicle article

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:54 AM

Atman (26,082 posts)

4. Thanks! It figures CNN would be 30 minutes late

They haven't said a word about it since. But I found out that some reality show star broke up with his girlfriend after three whole years of commitment.

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Response to Atman (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:02 AM

Cooley Hurd (20,691 posts)

9. I've been watching for 10 minutes and nada...

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:43 AM

no_hypocrisy (25,300 posts)

3. Maybe if the fire fighters were armed with assault weapons for every fire . . . . .

Comment, Wayne LaPierre???

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:57 AM

Earth_First (11,602 posts)

5. My hometown...

Webster being a sprawling suburb of Rochester, but hometown none the less.

Details are short and few, at least two firefighters at Strong Hospital, one via Mercy Flight for GSW trauma.

Of course, none of this would have been possible if we armed our firefighters to the gills...

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:59 AM

Atman (26,082 posts)

6. Water cannons?

I'd love to hear LaPierre explain away this one. Maybe if fire trucks has gun turrets?

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:17 AM

geckosfeet (8,810 posts)

16. Hello earth. I was alittle surprised to see that happened in Webster.

Frankly I am really surprised this happened there. But as we have seen - it can happen anywhere. I grew up in Penfield and dread the day...

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:55 AM

JustAnotherGen (5,600 posts)

48. Me too

Scottsville girl - went to A.Q. for high school. City of Rochester or suburb or rural bordertown - things like this aren't what you expect to read.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:12 AM

Earth_First (11,602 posts)

51. Scottsville girl?

That's where we live...

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:04 PM

Liberalynn (5,548 posts)

82. I from Canandaigua and my sister lives in Rochester

so sad right now. My sis knew one of the firefighters

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #82)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:49 PM

geckosfeet (8,810 posts)

91. Sorry to hear. Horrible thing to see happen.

BTW - my brothers and sister are in Victor. I am the odd one out who moved out of state - in MA.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #91)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:43 AM

Liberalynn (5,548 posts)

95. It is a very sad thing.

I travel through Victor often. MA is a beautiful state too.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:54 PM

Agschmid (1,870 posts)

93. I'm in Henrietta... also too close to home. We need to make changes.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #93)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:30 AM

geckosfeet (8,810 posts)

94. I agree. NY has some of the tougher gun laws. But this shooter was criminal from the get go.

Question is, where did those guns come from? The police have them and will track them as far as they can.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:01 AM

ileus (9,212 posts)

7. Isn't this a technique we've seen on the battlefield?

Explode one bomb and then ambush responders.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:02 AM

sulphurdunn (3,502 posts)

8. Ambush?

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Probably.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:07 AM

bl968 (148 posts)

10. The NRA

I can hear it already, "Gee if only the firefighters were armed..."

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:39 AM

Cleita (64,552 posts)

40. I thought firemen were armed. n/t

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:48 AM

tradecenter (133 posts)

46. Most State Fire Marshal's are armed.

They are POST certified and are able to make arrests. Most are firefighters that have come up the ladder and become Fire Marshal's.
Arming firefighters? We've got enough equipment to carry already and besides, that's not our job, but if things don't change in this country vis a vis guns, then all bets are off.

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Response to tradecenter (Reply #46)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:14 AM

freshwest (31,538 posts)

53. That was my thought too. How can they do their job with a gun in one hand?

At this rate our only job per the NRA will being to shoot each other 24 hours a day. Not much work to be done with only one hand.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #53)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:21 AM

tradecenter (133 posts)

59. They are no longer active entry certified firefighters

They go in after we've extinguished the fire to determine if it's an accident or an act of arson.
And I fully agree with you about the NRA.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:08 AM

Shadowflash (798 posts)

11. They need at least one armed national guard member on each truck?

Of course none of this would have happened if we had not taken god out of our firehouses.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:17 AM

Jackpine Radical (36,575 posts)

30. That last line qualifies

as the best sick humor of the morning so far.

"Of course none of this would have happened if we had not taken god out of our firehouses."

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:04 PM

cynzke (146 posts)

68. Amen!

Praise the Lord and pass the ammo!

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:11 AM

Kolesar (29,332 posts)

12. Its the price we pay for our constitutional freedoms

I have heard about people shooting at firefighters and EMTs before.
There is some sarcasm in the title.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:27 PM

tradecenter (133 posts)

72. It happened to the LAFD

and the LVFR during the Rodney King riots. I remember watching a video of someone shooting at LV fire trucks as they responded to fires in NLV.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:12 AM

Earth_First (11,602 posts)

13. They are allowing (at least) two homes burn while the area is being secured...

The second fire; it is unknown whether or not there is anyone in the building at the time of the fire.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20121224/NEWS01/121224001/Firefighter-shot-scene-fire-police-hunt-gunman-Webster

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:14 AM

loyalkydem (1,678 posts)

14. How do you defend this nra apologist

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:16 AM

Earth_First (11,602 posts)

15. Livestream link via 10 NBC

http://www.whec.com/article/stories/s2781847.shtml?cat=123188.shtml?cat=12318

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:45 AM

Cooley Hurd (20,691 posts)

20. They're saying 4 firefighters were shot - two are dead...

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:57 AM

KeepItReal (5,321 posts)

24. Thank you for the link

eom

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:21 AM

TheCowsCameHome (27,714 posts)

17. How many weapons will they find after the fires are out?

My guess is a lot of them.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:31 AM

City Lights (21,592 posts)

18. What the fuck! eom

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:35 AM

AllyCat (7,523 posts)

19. WTF???

If this guy had not had a gun and decided to use a knife, would he have done this kind of damage? NOOOOO!!!!

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:22 AM

Shadowflash (798 posts)

33. B-b-but, you know, guns don't kill people.

The shooter could have killed those firefighters with a large rock, if he were determined, and the gun made no difference.

Geez! Don't you know anything?

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:33 AM

AllyCat (7,523 posts)

36. A semi-automatic slingshot? nt

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:43 AM

Shadowflash (798 posts)

43. Yeah.

There you go.

With 90 rock clips.

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:50 PM

dixiegrrrrl (30,880 posts)

89. "90 rock clips"

Yabba yabba doooo...

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 06:46 PM

mzteaze (309 posts)

96. Please reserve me...

A basket in hell for cracking up laughing at your post and 90 rock clip comment in response to it.

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:56 PM

PasadenaTrudy (265 posts)

80. Yes, it's the cars that are killing everyone! N/t

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:46 AM

ReRe (2,879 posts)

21. Oh great! The babies....

K&R

...and now the firefighters. This society is splitting right in two before our very eyes.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:48 AM

Cooley Hurd (20,691 posts)

22. They just said 4 firemen shot and 2 are dead!

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Jesus!!!

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:49 AM

Earth_First (11,602 posts)

23. Update: Four firefighters shot; two deceased

NBC

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:01 AM

KeepItReal (5,321 posts)

25. Police have no info on the status of the shooter(s)

They've only said they have nobody in custody.

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Response to KeepItReal (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:03 AM

AllyCat (7,523 posts)

27. He must be dead. If they aren't looking for anyone and

have no one in custody, yet the heroes are doing their jobs after losing their comrades and fearing for their safety.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:02 AM

Cooley Hurd (20,691 posts)

26. Per the D&C, three houses are burning now...

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20121224/NEWS01/312240026/webster-shooting?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|Home

At least two Webster firefighters are dead, and three houses on Lake Road continue to burn after a gunman open fired on firefighters who responded to an early morning fire.

There are no active shooters at the scene, according to a news conference held by Sheriff Patrick O’Flynn.

The fire broke out at 5:45 a.m. at 191 Lake Road on the Irondequoit Bay side of the street.

The gunman open fired on the first firefighters to respond, striking one in the backside. Strong Memorial Hospital confirmed another firefighter was being treated, but it is not clear if he was shot or injured in the fire.

Webster Fire Marshal Rob Boutillier said it is not clear how many other firefighters were hit.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:06 AM

Coexist (24,463 posts)

28. the weapon is obviously the innocent victim in this scenario.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:16 AM

OKNancy (29,951 posts)

29. so sad and depressing

just one horrible thing after another. I'm trying hard to get in the spirit of the season... it's difficult.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:17 AM

Cleita (64,552 posts)

31. So I wake up this morning and more shooting? This time firemen?

OMG!!!

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:17 AM

proud2BlibKansan (96,384 posts)

32. They had to stop putting the fire out because of the gunfire.

Good grief, the world has gone mad.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:24 AM

darkangel218 (4,546 posts)

34. There is stil nothing on CNN

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #34)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:39 AM

Earth_First (11,602 posts)

38. Obviously the media handlers are blocking this breaking news to play damage control for the NRA

You cannot have tragic shootings of children and firemen on Chrismas Eve in the same two week period; just think what that will do for the gun control debate...

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:47 AM

AllyCat (7,523 posts)

45. Four hours after it started, CNN FINALLY has a "Breaking News" link.

Did they have to check in with the Dark Lord LaPierre before they could say anything? FOUR HOURS??? The local affiliates worked faster than that.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:32 AM

samsingh (10,352 posts)

35. fireman need armed police to protect them

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:38 AM

RC (21,639 posts)

37. Besides all the other stuff firemen have to wear, now they have to wear bullet proof vests also?

GET RID OF THE FUCKIN' GUNS!

With less than 4.5% of the worlds population, why the hell do we need half of the worlds supply of guns!!??

The only continuous denominator with every mass shooting, besides the newly dead, are GUNS.
Somalia doesn't even have this much of a problem. If they did, there'd be nobody left there.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:13 AM

marew (1,070 posts)

52. Absolutely!!!!!

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:39 AM

polmaven (8,989 posts)

39. Just went over to FR...

Not a word about it. Ignorance really is bliss, I guess, when it comes to the "right" to own any killing machine you care to.

How sad. Two brave souls lose their lives, not while fighting the fire (which is horrible enough), but shot to death before beginning their duties. My heart is aching.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:43 AM

AllyCat (7,523 posts)

42. Another thread says this is a volunteer squad

that is still recovering from an arson in the past year where the family perished.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:50 AM

polmaven (8,989 posts)

47. I pray that

none of the residents of the 3 fully engulfed homes is killed.

These 2 men volunteered for this dangerous duty and meet their deaths by doing so, My heart goes out to their families.

My home town yesterday marked the first anniversary of the first ever loss of a firefighter in the line of duty. A very solemn day for all of us.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:41 AM

In_The_Wind (42,968 posts)

41. Totally absurd!

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:43 AM

louis-t (12,513 posts)

44. Media won't report it because they will be accused of siding with antis.

Why is everyone so afraid of the NRA?

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:00 AM

Earth_First (11,602 posts)

49. Local media 10 NBC reporting a gunman has been 'located'

No details.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:01 AM

JustAnotherGen (5,600 posts)

50. Non Western/Central New Yorkers

For good updates check out the D & C - http://www.democratandchronicle.com/

It's the local paper back home.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:15 AM

Festivito (12,284 posts)

54. Will the NRA suggest guards at all fire sites?

We need to ascertain IF we can figure out what is wrong with these shooters.

If we can't, we need to find out what we can do for each other, quit going to wars, decide we don't mind the deaths, or Constitutionally drop certain guns as a right and maybe not even make it a privilege.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:15 AM

SoapBox (5,827 posts)

56. Go a head NRA...defend THIS.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:16 AM

Spitfire of ATJ (7,404 posts)

57. Now watch the Freepers claim this guy was a Liberal trying to get guns banned.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:24 AM

Honeycombe8 (18,008 posts)

60. OMG. What kind of gun was used? What the hell is going on in this country? nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #60)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:26 AM

AllyCat (7,523 posts)

61. Assault weapon reported in initial reports. No other info I've seen beyond that.

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In other words, the killing kind.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #61)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:24 PM

morningfog (4,188 posts)

70. Prepare for the usual deluge of assault weapon parsing.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:28 AM

Pachamama (8,847 posts)

62. Our Country is seriously Messed Up.....

Here is a list of the "headlines" from the front page on that NYDailynews page....The only one that gives me hope is the last one titled "Hero Cop in Boston saves drowning woman"....Also that the Israeli's shoot down NRA's claim.... Sigh....now what we need is a Kardashian sisters update...

MOST POPULAR
Most Read
Most Shared
1 Gunman kills firefighters at Webster, N.Y., house fire
2 Navy SEAL dies in apparent suicide
3 Israelis shoot down NRA's claim
4 Lupica: 'Crazy' LaPierre of NRA continues push for guns with lies
5 Iowa court OKs firing of female dentist worker for being too 'irresistibly attractive'
6 Pro-gun activists push petition to have Piers Morgan deported
7 Fear of a serial killer rises with 2nd human remains find
8 Trooper caught on video doing humiliating cavity search is suspended
9 Shocking end for sicko teen killer
10 SEE IT: Hero cop in Boston saves drowning woman

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #62)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:34 AM

cantbeserious (1,982 posts)

64. The Disease: Republicans And Conservative Ideologies - The Diagnosis: Terminal, The Country Is Dead

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #64)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:44 AM

Pachamama (8,847 posts)

65. We need a rebirth....

...until that time, we will continue to be diseased.....ugh....I'm trying to be feeling optimistic and positive and then hear about another shooting, this of firefighters....

Time to put on christmas music and turn off TV.....

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:32 AM

cantbeserious (1,982 posts)

63. Ok NRA Apologists And Gun Nuts - How Many More Have To Die - Repeal The 2nd Amendment Now!

eom

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:45 AM

Botany (36,056 posts)

66. When will this madness stop?

More guns = more gun deaths end of story

To all people who want to go on a murder suicide bender please
do the 2nd part first.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:55 AM

yardwork (37,076 posts)

67. This is beyond belief.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:06 PM

Tx4obama (28,978 posts)

69. UPDATE: Suspect responsible for shooting 4 firefighters, 2 fatally, ... was found dead at scene

Breaking News ‏@BreakingNews

Suspect responsible for shooting 4 firefighters, 2 fatally, in Webster, New York, was found dead at scene, authorities say - @news10nbc

https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/283255411325431808

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #69)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:41 PM

AllyCat (7,523 posts)

75. link here. One of the dead heroes was an off-duty cop

responding as a volunteer FF.

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2876697.shtml?cat=566

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #75)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:48 PM

Tx4obama (28,978 posts)

78. And another off-duty police officer was injured too

-snip-

An off-duty Greece police officer driving nearby the was also injured by shrapnel. He was taken to the hospital.

-snip-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-webster-fire_n_2358822.html

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:27 PM

underpants (105,621 posts)

71. ARM the Firefighters!!!!

Hose #2 cover Ladder #4 they are going to the second floor.
Roger, suppressive fire hose#2. Get their heads down in all the houses around here.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:34 PM

Dems to Win (523 posts)

73. Second Amendment America is a scary place to live, work, go to school, fight fires.....

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:40 PM

Liberalynn (5,548 posts)

74. My sister knew one of the voulunteer firefighters that was shot

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He was the son of her hairdresser. My sister met him a couple of times when he came into visit his Mom at work. He had just gotten a job as a 911 operator for the Sherriff's department and was a volunteer firefighter as well. She says he was a really nice young man and his Mom was so proud of him.

My sis is crying. What a sad day.

How many more senseless gun tragedies do we have to endure before we all say enough is enough?

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #74)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:44 PM

tradecenter (133 posts)

76. I came up as a volunteer firefighter

before I joined a paid Dept.. I have nothing but the highest regard for the volunteers of this country.
My heart breaks for this Dept.'s and their families loss.

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Response to tradecenter (Reply #76)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:47 PM

Liberalynn (5,548 posts)

77. I share your respect for the volunteers

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My late father was a volunteer firefighter too. Thank you for your service as one and as a paid fireman. These men were just trying to help and to lose their life this way. So senseless.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:54 PM

janx (21,732 posts)

79. NEWS CONFERENCE:

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http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/50289758/#50289758

Police chief fighting back tears.

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Response to janx (Reply #79)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:02 PM

Cha (124,664 posts)

86. So Sad..

thanks janx

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:01 PM

workinclasszero (3,062 posts)

81. The NRA has the solution to gun violence

GUNS GUNS and MORE GUNS!!!!!!!!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:17 PM

sanatanadharma (153 posts)

83. Guns don't kill people...

...they cause people to want to kill. and the killers fear the guns will be confiscated before they get their chance at the thrill of the kill.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:58 PM

liberal N proud (43,767 posts)

84. What was the official NRA response? - Arm the firefighters?

Pretty bad when those dedicated to save have to duck bullets.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #84)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:10 PM

Bernardo de La Paz (7,142 posts)

88. Nah. Hire an NRA member to ride shotgun on every firetruck. (probably)

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:06 PM

themidniteskulker (5 posts)

85. Let's all guess....

Let's guess, what is (or was) the shooter's preferred TV or radio network? Where he got his attitude and ideas? Can we? Can anyone guess? Yes?

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:07 PM

DonCoquixote (5,631 posts)

87. I guess the GOP

Gets to ensure that civil servants cannot do their job, which emans they can hire scabs, who will die, and make the companies money thanks to the "dead peasant" insurance Wal-Mart invented.

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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:25 PM

AntiFascist (10,799 posts)