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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:51 AM

Breaking Reports: Multiple people shot at a bar in Bellevue, Washington - @KING5Seattle

Source: KING5Seattle

@KING5Seattle: Police are on scene at the Munchbar in Bellevue where multiple people were shot just after 1 a.m. Monday. http://t.co/ICnvoGM7

Read more: https://twitter.com/king5seattle/status/283155773511573504

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Reply Breaking Reports: Multiple people shot at a bar in Bellevue, Washington - @KING5Seattle (Original post)
Hissyspit Dec 2012 OP
xchrom Dec 2012 #1
TexasTowelie Dec 2012 #2
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #3
peacebird Dec 2012 #4
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #6
Berserker Dec 2012 #8
jpak Dec 2012 #9
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #10
brewens Dec 2012 #29
wordpix Dec 2012 #42
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #11
Tempest Dec 2012 #17
SheilaT Dec 2012 #19
beac Dec 2012 #23
enlightenment Dec 2012 #24
PavePusher Dec 2012 #34
enlightenment Dec 2012 #43
PavePusher Dec 2012 #44
Ilsa Dec 2012 #5
Ash_F Dec 2012 #7
Sunlei Dec 2012 #12
tradecenter Dec 2012 #16
slackmaster Dec 2012 #13
heaven05 Dec 2012 #14
Ptah Dec 2012 #15
Tab Dec 2012 #18
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #20
tradecenter Dec 2012 #21
Politicub Dec 2012 #22
Phx_Dem Dec 2012 #26
Phx_Dem Dec 2012 #25
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #32
tabasco Dec 2012 #36
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #39
Speck Tater Dec 2012 #27
valerief Dec 2012 #28
Turbineguy Dec 2012 #31
grantcart Dec 2012 #30
Trillo Dec 2012 #33
uppityperson Dec 2012 #35
tabasco Dec 2012 #37
uppityperson Dec 2012 #38
tabasco Dec 2012 #40
uppityperson Dec 2012 #41

Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:58 AM

1. merry christmas, peace on earth, good will to men. nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:03 AM

2. Oh crap.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:05 AM

3. Unconfirmed, but some people on Twitter saying it was a Seahawks after party. nt

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:09 AM

4. Concealed carry plus alcohol.... Such a great idea - NOT

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Response to peacebird (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:24 AM

6. The few times I've been blackout drunk makes me glad I am not one of those idiots. nt

 

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Response to peacebird (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:27 AM

8. Show us a state

 

Where a conceal carry can drink alcohol in a bar.
Here is Washington state law.
CCW is not allowed in any bar in Washington state.

RCW 9.41.300
Weapons prohibited in certain places — Local laws and ordinances — Exceptions — Penalty.

(1) It is unlawful for any person to enter the following places when he or she knowingly possesses or knowingly has under his or her control a weapon:

(d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age; or

(12) Any person violating subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

RCW 9A.20.021
Maximum sentences for crimes committed July 1, 1984, and after.

(2) Gross misdemeanor. Every person convicted of a gross misdemeanor defined in Title 9A RCW shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a maximum term fixed by the court of up to three hundred sixty-four days, or by a fine in an amount fixed by the court of not more than five thousand dollars, or by both such imprisonment and fine.
(d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age; or
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300

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Response to Berserker (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:36 AM

9. It's stupid to even *think* that gun toters will NOT go to bars and drink

Why would they pack heat and go to a bar and NOT drink.

GOP/NRA/ALEC bullshit logic doesn't fly anymore.

nope

Oh yeah - make it a felony to drink and pack and the douchebags will obey.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:50 AM

10. That's pretty much my sense of it.

The mentality of the average gun-toter is that there's no place where you're more likely to need your gun than in the saloon. Since they know that all their gun nut buddies think just like them, they know everyone else in there is likely to be armed too, so they'd be defenseless in an armed crowd without it.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:20 PM

29. Precisely. That and the fact that they are very intelligent makes them think, what could go wrong?

No one ever goes out with the intention of getting drunk and getting into any trouble. So a guy that's packing gets hammered and proceeds to be an asshole. He deserves to have his ass kicked but guess what? He has his equalizer! Yup. What could go wrong?

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Response to jpak (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 06:58 PM

42. yes, even our beloved ex-VP Chain-ee was a drink-and-shooter

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Response to Berserker (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:01 AM

11. In MA it is leagl to CC in a bar. I do not think that there any state laws that specifically address

drinking and cc, but common sense would dictate that you do not drink while carrying/handling a firearm. Personally, I would avoid bars altogether just because they are magnets for stupid and reckless behavior.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:34 AM

17. Yeah, because laws are so effective

It didn't stop the guy in NY from pulling out his gun at a bar after drinking and shooting up the place last year.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:47 AM

19. Right. Every gun owner is so fully responsible

and law-abiding that the only people who ever use guns irresponsibly are criminals.

Do I need the sarcasm thingy?

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Response to Berserker (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:13 PM

23. The very word "concealed" makes enforcement of the law nearly impossible.

In addition to carding, should bartenders be expected to frisk someone before they serve them?

And yes, there's a nice little penalty for CCW in a WA bar but, if you have worked in a bar as I have, you know people do MANY stupid things and violate MANY little laws in bars. I guarantee you that "gross misdemeanor" has been committed in Washington state more than once and today it lead to tragedy.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:19 PM

24. Arizona.

Restriction on concealed carry in an establishment that serves alcohol is up to the owner of the establishment. If they post a clear notice, then it is disallowed. If they do not post the sign, it is allowed for permit holders (keeping in mind that AZ does not require permits for conceal carry).

You may also conceal carry a weapon into a restaurant that serves alcohol in Nevada.

I suspect you may also concealed carry into alcohol serving establishments in other states, but don't feel like going through the law of each one. Feel free to do so yourself:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 02:21 PM

34. But you are not allowed (i.e. prohibited by law) from consuming alcohol while there. n/t

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:57 PM

43. Really?

Please cite the actual wording in the statute. The summary listing that I gave the link for mentions that it is generally considered a bad idea to consume alcohol while carrying a weapon - but there is nothing to indicate that it is illegal. The listed statute (for your convenience in finding the exact wording of this restriction) is here:

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/4/00244.htm

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:19 AM

5. Another gun-free

Zone, right?

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:28 AM

7. Bellevue is a really nice area.

Can happen anywhere...

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:17 AM

12. Like DWI it should be a serious permit loss crime to carry and drink.

Same thing for hunters and gun ranges. No drinking allowed.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:24 AM

16. I think it already is a serious crime with loss of permit

 

to drink and carry. It should be permanent loss of permit and loss of firearms.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:22 AM

13. Drunken sports fans at 1:00 AM

 

What could possibly go wrong?

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:22 AM

14. how

in the hell are sane, rational people going to stop this slaughter? Guns have been inculcated into our culture starting with the expansion of the territory from the east coast. Anyone ever tried to do a study on how many native americans were slaughtered in that expansion to the west coast? I doubt it. Revolutionary War, keeping slaves cowed, Civil War, wild, wild west mentality, prohibition and all the Al Capone types glorified, although they usually ended up dead, guns and violence. Put on the big screen, played by the Cagney's and Bogart's ect. But all had guns at their historical core. Fucking guns everywhere. Now we have 300million guns, that's the ones we know about, circulating in our society. American society has always been a violence driven culture. Movies on the big screen. Violent. Movies on our home entertainment centers. Violent. Games on computers and ipods. Violent. Those violent games and movies always have a gun or guns being used for nefarious purposes. This is a culture where guns have been glorified as a necessary part of our history. Not arguing the fact of being necessary. But now that necessity has been negated by our 'civilized' society with peace officers, a standing military force, ground, air and water and yet monsters are walking into Mcdonalds, shopping malls, movie theaters and ELEMENTARY schools, by god, and shooting up the place and the occupants. How do we stop the modern slaughter? Can we? Will we? I fear it is out of control and no way to stop it, realistically. Just my small opinion.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:23 AM

15. Link - - > 1 Killed, 1 Wounded in Bar Shooting Near Seattle

A 30-year-old Seattle man was killed and another man wounded in a shooting at a crowded bar in Bellevue, Wash., early Monday, police said.

The shooting broke out just after 1 a.m. at Munchbar at Bellevue Square, an upscale shopping center about 10 miles east of Seattle, said Carla Iafrate, a spokeswoman for the Bellevue Police Department.

Police officers were outside the bar when gunfire erupted because a large crowd had gathered there, she said.

More than 600 people were inside the venue at the time of the shooting. "It was a very complicated scene," Iafrate said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/killed-wounded-bar-shooting-seattle-18055143#.UNhy6azNnb0

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:32 AM

18. Now if only all those bar patrons were armed with semi-automatics


No one's going to take on a barful of drunking sports fans @ 1 a.m. if they all have semis, right?

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:48 AM

20. Merry Christmas NRA And NRA Apologists - Repeal The 2nd Amendment NOW!

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:05 PM

21. Realistically, how?

 

It takes only 13 states to defeat a repeal of an amendment.
How about we start with what can be realistically done? Like a ban on high capacity magazines? Close the private sales loophole?
Registration of all firearms? Strengthen the NICS system? There are more things that can be done to lessen the violence without trying to do something that has no chance of happening any time soon.
You will not get a repeal of the second amendment when it takes only 13 states saying no.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:05 PM

22. Guns don't kill people blah blah blah

Second amendment extremists can go to hell.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:15 PM

26. Amen. Maybe they should start targeting each other and leave our children

and the rest of us alone.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:14 PM

25. Funny how -- considering guns don't kill people -- none of these mass

killings are done with a knife. Or a bow and arrow, or a blunt object or poisoning or a vehicle. Hmmm.

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Response to Phx_Dem (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:46 PM

32. There have been mass killing by vehicle...

look up rampage killings on wiki

They list 32 around the world and several in the US

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 05:45 PM

36. Drop in the bucket

compared to firearms killings.

So, what's your point?

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Response to tabasco (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 05:58 PM

39. My point was just to correct the record...

in the US there have been around 330 deaths in rampage shootings, hard to keep up recently so I may be wrong, so anyone should feel free to correct that.

IIRC about 35 people have died in mass killings by autos...about 10% of the number by shooting. I'm not sure 10% or even 5% if my number is that wrong is "a drop in the bucket"

But if you want to be argumentative about it, there are about 65 million people with mental illness in the US right now, about 25 million are diagnosed. If we assume all 26 known US mass murderers over 90 years were mentally ill, do those 26 in 25 million form "a drop" or several "drops"??



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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:16 PM

27. Guns don't kill people. Being in bars kill people.

 

All aside, the first and most important self defense move is avoiding the kinds of places where trouble hangs out.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:17 PM

28. If they didn't kill them with guns, they would have used butter knifes.

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Response to valerief (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:25 PM

31. If they'd used a butter knife

Wayne LaPierre wouldn't get paid. Of course they could always change their name to the NBKA. Perhaps they ought to include knives.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:21 PM

30. NRA: Arm every bartender.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:17 PM

33. Off Duty sheriff's deputy goes beserk and shoots bar patron

http://temecula.patch.com/articles/off-duty-deputy-kills-man-in-bar-brawl

Hull said he witnessed a man walking up while Hull and a group of friends were playing darts. The man reportedly identified himself as an off-duty cop and started a discussion with the group about darts.

“We were playing darts, and he says 'I’m better at darts than you are,”' Hull said.

“My buddy says, ‘Aw, you suck at darts.’ (The man) says, ‘That’s why I’m a cop, I can do whatever I want to do.’”

Hull said his friend, identified only as Danny, asked the man, “Really, you can do anything?” The man then pulled out his gun, Hull said, and after the group repeatedly asked him to put it away he “pops three rounds into my friend Sam.”

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 05:19 PM

35. UPDATE and damn it.'Tuba Man' killer sought as suspect in fatal Bellevue bar shooting

'Tuba Man' killer sought as suspect in fatal Bellevue bar shooting
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019981363_shooting25m.html

A 19-year-old man suspected by police in the shooting death of a man at a Bellevue bar early Monday was convicted in the 2009 fatal beating of the Seattle street musician known as "Tuba Man."

The shooting occurred in the Mirror Lounge at Munchbar, a restaurant/bar at Bellevue Square, around 1:10 a.m., according to Bellevue police spokeswoman Carla Iafrate. About 600 people were inside the bar when about five gunshots were fired. A 30-year-old Seattle man was killed and another man injured.

Police said Ja'mari Alexander-Alan Jones is the suspected shooter, and obtained a warrant for his arrest Monday. His car is described as a white Nissan Maxima with Washington state license number AHZ1672. Police consider him armed and dangerous.

While it appears there was only one shooter, police haven't ruled anything out, Iafrate said earlier Monday. Witnesses gave conflicting descriptions of the gunman, she said.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #35)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 05:47 PM

37. If he has pot on him when they catch him ...

he'll be in REAL trouble.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 05:56 PM

38. Not anymore here in WA. nt

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 06:16 PM

40. That's great.

Too bad the little fucker didn't get grown-up jail time for killing somebody.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 06:26 PM

41. Yup. Plead guilty to murdering a public figure, get off, go shoot someone else. fuck

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