Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:19 PM

NRA: We will oppose semi-automatic weapons ban

Source: CBS News

Though alleged shooter Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle when he murdered 20 young children and six adults at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school - not five months after the same type of gun was used to kill 12 at an Aurora, Colo., movie theater - the National Rifle Association "will continue to oppose a ban on semiautomatic weapons," the organization's president David Keene said today on "Face the Nation."

Arguing Bob Schieffer's point that if high-capacity weapons were banned or restricted, a baseball bat used instead would produce far fewer casualties, Keene tried to make the case that shooters - not the guns - are the problem. Asked how many rounds an AR-15 - the most popular rifle in the country - or another weapon in the semiautomatic family can discharge in five seconds, Keene said, "Well, they fire when you pull the trigger... they don't keep firing. That's a fully automatic weapon."

"These aren't military weapons," Keene continued. "If we equipped our army with the AR-15, we'd be beaten by every Third World - you know, every Third World dictatorship in the country. Military weapons are fully automatic weapons, and that's illegal. You don't get those. That's not what we're talking about."

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NRA: We will oppose semi-automatic weapons ban (Original post)	michigandem58	Dec 2012	OP
"Every Third World dictatorship in the country."	BeyondGeography	Dec 2012	#1
We've armed 99% of the "3rd World" Dictatorships.	cbrer	Dec 2012	#27
I'm guessing that refers to Arizona (esp. Maricopa County)....	lastlib	Dec 2012	#29
Yeah, that's a pretty bizarre thing to say...	Deep13	Dec 2012	#32
Fact AR-15 is most popular gun, is reason enough to restrict them.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#2
and?	agorist	Dec 2012	#5
Nice try, troll...	Comrade_McKenzie	Dec 2012	#7
I'm condemning bigoted gun lovers who think more guns is a good response to Sandy Hook.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#11
should it be legal for people to build and sell bombs and accessories, even if they've never blown	Voice for Peace	Dec 2012	#41
By your reasoning....	paleotn	Dec 2012	#55
how do you figure?	Deep13	Dec 2012	#34
The fact gun lovers are attracted to them. They are produced and marketed to appeal to gun culture'	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#37
Would it have mattered if they weren't white? n/t	ComplimentarySwine	Dec 2012	#65
That's just it, where I live the folks arming up are bigots afraid minorities are going to get them.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#86
my problem with the awb and magazine ban	agorist	Dec 2012	#3
You should be conflicted,	elleng	Dec 2012	#10
This message was hidden by jury decision.	agorist	Dec 2012	#15
Owning such anti-social implements are not 'peaceful actions,'	elleng	Dec 2012	#18
No one is trying to take away all your guns!	beac	Dec 2012	#22
You must not read all the posts in these gun threads.	former9thward	Jan 2013	#106
Gee, you are tiresome.	beac	Jan 2013	#110
Month old?	former9thward	Jan 2013	#111
The OP was made on 12/23. My post was made on 12/23. You replied on January 21.	beac	Jan 2013	#114
The Supreme Court and	Lurks Often	Jan 2013	#105
The Second Amendment right	elleng	Jan 2013	#109
So, your need to shoot multiple bullets a minute into a target trumps society's need to be safe from	beac	Dec 2012	#14
thats a stupid argument	agorist	Dec 2012	#16
These objects CANNOT be used peacefully,	elleng	Dec 2012	#19
There are 300 million guns in the US	NickB79	Dec 2012	#59
So 10,000 gun homicides a year is a reasonable number?	Robb	Dec 2012	#63
No, it's not reasonable at all	NickB79	Dec 2012	#67
As I've said, 'these objects' refer to 'the awb and magazine ban' referred to by poster.	elleng	Dec 2012	#71
Funny. None of mine have ever hurt anyone.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#85
yet	PaulaFarrell	Dec 2012	#95
I was referring to poster's 'awb and magazine ban,'	elleng	Dec 2012	#68
Well, there are tens of millions of AR-15's and AK-47 clones in the US	NickB79	Dec 2012	#72
Right back at you buddy.	beac	Dec 2012	#20
None of the stuff	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#48
But a "well-regulated militia" is. How many gun owners belong to a	beac	Dec 2012	#70
Apparently all of them	NickB79	Dec 2012	#75
"the unorganized militia" So, you are claiming "unorganized" is now a synonym for "well-regulated"?	beac	Dec 2012	#79
I never said I agree with it, just that's what the law says	NickB79	Dec 2012	#82
Why would you use an example to support your argument that you don't agree with?	beac	Dec 2012	#94
Haven't you heard?	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#90
Yes, and	beac	Dec 2012	#93
Really?	atreides1	Dec 2012	#25
At a firing range?	OneMoreDemocrat	Dec 2012	#31
Target practice, hunting, home defense	NickB79	Dec 2012	#60
"Home defense" falls into your definition of "peaceful" use????	beac	Dec 2012	#73
Yes, it does	NickB79	Dec 2012	#77
a) We're gonna have to disagree on "peaceful" and b) just because something is "popular"	beac	Dec 2012	#81
I'm cool with that	NickB79	Dec 2012	#84
Peacefully is not the right description	atreides1	Jan 2013	#101
Why would anyone want a semi-automtic weapon?	Sekhmets Daughter	Dec 2012	#28
Ineresting	RantinRavin	Dec 2012	#40
And what do you hunt with a semi automatic?	Sekhmets Daughter	Dec 2012	#42
Duck, Dove, Deer, and Turkey	RantinRavin	Dec 2012	#44
So? With a ban, hunting might be a WEE bit harder	beac	Dec 2012	#76
Virtually every hunter	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#58
No, virtually every hunter does not....	Sekhmets Daughter	Dec 2012	#66
You'd be surprised at how far semi-autos have come, accuracy-wise	NickB79	Dec 2012	#69
AR-15s are extremely accurate	hack89	Jan 2013	#102
The use of the word weapon is the wrong way to go at this.	bamacrat	Jan 2013	#103
All guns are weapons...	Sekhmets Daughter	Jan 2013	#104
The NRA, Gun Apologists And DU Sympathizers Should Be Ashamed, Shamed And Shunned	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#4
Its CLEAR they represent gun MAKERS, not gun users,	elleng	Dec 2012	#6
Why is that clear?	naaman fletcher	Jan 2013	#100
What ban, instruments of war? Yes, they would.	elleng	Jan 2013	#107
I think you are living in a bubble	naaman fletcher	Jan 2013	#108
So, water still wet and the NRA still the nationwide marketing arm of weapons manufacturers.	beac	Dec 2012	#8
NRA just turned from responsible gun safety education to ME ME ME MINE MINE I'LL BLAST YOU AWAY!	Panasonic	Dec 2012	#9
Actually semi auto is deadlier	The Green Manalishi	Dec 2012	#12
The small arms automatic weapons	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#49
Big f'ing surprise there.	CanonRay	Dec 2012	#13
WELL of course you would oppose it!	SoapBox	Dec 2012	#17
bump firing slider stock...essentially makes AR-15 fully automatic...	Evasporque	Dec 2012	#21
You don't need new laws to outlaw that stock	NickB79	Dec 2012	#36
Bump firing is incredbly inaccurate.	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#50
not by replacing parts	qkvhj	Dec 2012	#87
Shocking.	Liberal Veteran	Dec 2012	#23
Well now that's a surprise.	Chorophyll	Dec 2012	#24
Keene sounds like a racist. Oh, he is the NRA person...yup, he is a racist.	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#26
Just curious...	OneMoreDemocrat	Dec 2012	#33
the part about the third world dictatorships	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#62
Of course they will. They work for merchants of death.	blackspade	Dec 2012	#30
and of course new boy couldn't answer the question	loyalkydem	Dec 2012	#35
Killing is a sufficient purpose, I would say	NickB79	Dec 2012	#39
If you need 30 round clips to kill you are a lousey shot, period. You don't need that kind of weapon	loyalkydem	Dec 2012	#46
I'm perfectly fine with 10-rd magazines	NickB79	Dec 2012	#56
A ban on semi-automatic weapons would go far beyond AR-15's	NickB79	Dec 2012	#38
I'm surprised Rhiannon 12866 hasn't blocked this article yet...	jonesgirl	Dec 2012	#43
this from an org that shields criminals by opposing background checks, not surprised. PUKE	wordpix	Dec 2012	#45
Semiautomatic is a far broader category than AR15s.	Deep13	Dec 2012	#47
Dayum, I sure do want to know who AL was gaming with!! What if we're looking at an NRA conspiracy to	patrice	Dec 2012	#51
The Smith & Wesson rifle	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#52
Splitting hairs over the type of guns they REALLY are,	PDJane	Dec 2012	#53
Just made a rare visit to	billh58	Dec 2012	#54
God, that's really the thing, isn't it?	Robb	Dec 2012	#57
Technical jargon is important,	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#61
Everyone knows what an assault rifle is?	NickB79	Dec 2012	#64
When someone says "assault rifle"	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#74
So, if a person only uses 10-rd magazines in an AR-15	NickB79	Dec 2012	#80
Legally the gun used at Sandy Hook was not an assault rifle	hack89	Dec 2012	#91
gun culture	spankster1958	Jan 2013	#99
Any reference to a semi-auto rifle	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#92
This message was self-deleted by its author	mr_liberal	Dec 2012	#78
It's not up to the NRA anymore.	onehandle	Dec 2012	#83
Well duh, they should, they're a pro-gun group	Ter	Dec 2012	#88
No wonder he was absent for 7 days.	caseymoz	Dec 2012	#89
Then how about this?	jmowreader	Dec 2012	#96
I hope they keep talking	obama2terms	Dec 2012	#97
Then why not send them all to third world countries?	marshall	Dec 2012	#98
NRA: We will oppose logical reasoning, common sense, and any semblance of morality	Zoeisright	Jan 2013	#112
What a bunch of complete fuckwits.	Katorama	Jan 2013	#113

Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:23 PM

BeyondGeography (21,309 posts)

1. "Every Third World dictatorship in the country."

Last edited Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:56 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Sounds sweaty. And self-referential.

NRA: We will oppose semi-automatic weapons ban

1. "Every Third World dictatorship in the country."

27. We've armed 99% of the "3rd World" Dictatorships.

29. I'm guessing that refers to Arizona (esp. Maricopa County)....

32. Yeah, that's a pretty bizarre thing to say...

2. Fact AR-15 is most popular gun, is reason enough to restrict them.

5. and?

7. Nice try, troll...

11. I'm condemning bigoted gun lovers who think more guns is a good response to Sandy Hook.

41. should it be legal for people to build and sell bombs and accessories, even if they've never blown

55. By your reasoning....

34. how do you figure?

37. The fact gun lovers are attracted to them. They are produced and marketed to appeal to gun culture'

65. Would it have mattered if they weren't white? n/t

86. That's just it, where I live the folks arming up are bigots afraid minorities are going to get them.

3. my problem with the awb and magazine ban

10. You should be conflicted,

18. Owning such anti-social implements are not 'peaceful actions,'

22. No one is trying to take away all your guns!

106. You must not read all the posts in these gun threads.

110. Gee, you are tiresome.

111. Month old?

114. The OP was made on 12/23. My post was made on 12/23. You replied on January 21.

105. The Supreme Court and

109. The Second Amendment right

14. So, your need to shoot multiple bullets a minute into a target trumps society's need to be safe from

16. thats a stupid argument

19. These objects CANNOT be used peacefully,

59. There are 300 million guns in the US

63. So 10,000 gun homicides a year is a reasonable number?

67. No, it's not reasonable at all

71. As I've said, 'these objects' refer to 'the awb and magazine ban' referred to by poster.

85. Funny. None of mine have ever hurt anyone.

95. yet

68. I was referring to poster's 'awb and magazine ban,'

72. Well, there are tens of millions of AR-15's and AK-47 clones in the US

20. Right back at you buddy.

48. None of the stuff

70. But a "well-regulated militia" is. How many gun owners belong to a

75. Apparently all of them

79. "the unorganized militia" So, you are claiming "unorganized" is now a synonym for "well-regulated"?

82. I never said I agree with it, just that's what the law says

94. Why would you use an example to support your argument that you don't agree with?

90. Haven't you heard?

93. Yes, and

25. Really?

31. At a firing range?

60. Target practice, hunting, home defense

73. "Home defense" falls into your definition of "peaceful" use????

77. Yes, it does

81. a) We're gonna have to disagree on "peaceful" and b) just because something is "popular"

84. I'm cool with that

101. Peacefully is not the right description

28. Why would anyone want a semi-automtic weapon?

40. Ineresting

42. And what do you hunt with a semi automatic?

44. Duck, Dove, Deer, and Turkey

76. So? With a ban, hunting might be a WEE bit harder

58. Virtually every hunter

66. No, virtually every hunter does not....

69. You'd be surprised at how far semi-autos have come, accuracy-wise

102. AR-15s are extremely accurate

103. The use of the word weapon is the wrong way to go at this.

104. All guns are weapons...

4. The NRA, Gun Apologists And DU Sympathizers Should Be Ashamed, Shamed And Shunned

6. Its CLEAR they represent gun MAKERS, not gun users,

100. Why is that clear?

107. What ban, instruments of war? Yes, they would.

108. I think you are living in a bubble

8. So, water still wet and the NRA still the nationwide marketing arm of weapons manufacturers.

9. NRA just turned from responsible gun safety education to ME ME ME MINE MINE I'LL BLAST YOU AWAY!

12. Actually semi auto is deadlier

49. The small arms automatic weapons

13. Big f'ing surprise there.

17. WELL of course you would oppose it!

21. bump firing slider stock...essentially makes AR-15 fully automatic...

36. You don't need new laws to outlaw that stock

50. Bump firing is incredbly inaccurate.

87. not by replacing parts

23. Shocking.