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Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:10 PM

Acting C.I.A. Chief Critical Of Film ‘Zero Dark Thirty’

Source: NYT

The acting director of the C.I.A., Michael J. Morell, has criticized a new movie about the hunt for Osama bin Laden, saying it exaggerates the role of coercive interrogations in producing clues to the whereabouts of the leader of Al Qaeda.

In a message sent Friday to agency employees about the film, “Zero Dark Thirty,” Mr. Morell said it “creates the strong impression that the enhanced interrogation techniques that were part of our former detention and interrogation program were the key to finding Bin Laden. That impression is false.”

In fact, he said, “the truth is that multiple streams of intelligence led C.I.A. analysts to conclude that Bin Laden was hiding in Abbottabad,” the city in Pakistan where a Navy SEAL team killed him in May 2011. “Some came from detainees subjected to enhanced techniques,” Mr. Morell wrote, using the C.I.A.’s euphemism for harsh and sometimes brutal treatment that included waterboarding. “But there were many other sources as well.”

He said that “whether enhanced interrogation techniques were the only timely and effective way to obtain information from those detainees, as the film suggests, is a matter of debate that cannot and never will be definitively resolved.”

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/23/us/politics/acting-cia-director-michael-j-morell-criticizes-zero-dark-thirty.html

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:27 PM

1. Awwwwwe

Poor widdle CIA. Can't stand having a light shone on their sensitive widdle selves.

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Response to oberle (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:42 PM

2. In this case I think the CIA director is actually being honest

It is the movie that appears to dishonestly portray torture as an effective technique, I am glad the CIA director is admitting it is ineffective. Now if he would only hold people accountable for it.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:06 PM

3. That's not how I read it...

From the OP:

In fact, he said, “the truth is that multiple streams of intelligence led C.I.A. analysts to conclude that Bin Laden was hiding in Abbottabad,” the city in Pakistan where a Navy SEAL team killed him in May 2011. “Some came from detainees subjected to enhanced techniques,” Mr. Morell wrote, using the C.I.A.’s euphemism for harsh and sometimes brutal treatment that included waterboarding. “But there were many other sources as well.”

It would seem to suggest that torture got them the same answer as other sources. In other words, torture DOES work, but they didn't rely solely on it. They got this same information through other methods as well.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:36 PM

6. Maybe I misread it slightly, but he certainly portrays torture as less effective than the movie does

He may suggest some info was gained through torture, but he also makes it clear he does not believe the torture was nearly as effective as the movie portrays it. Granted he did not call it ineffective and I may have misread his statement on that aspect, but he made it pretty clear that the movie does not portray what happened accurately.

People need to stay away from this movie, no matter how good the reviews may be we should not send our money to film makers who glorify torture.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:22 PM

5. They were torturing people in Vietnam too.

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Response to NealK (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:39 PM

7. Right. Before Vietnam, the U.S. was in the torture business in Brazil, and Uruguay,

supporting Brazil's military dictatorship, and Uruguay's right-wing regime as it went after leftist Tupamaros. The US torture specialist was Dan Mitrione, a true monster.

On edit:
Welcome to D.U., NealK.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:23 PM

10. Thank you.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:50 PM

8. Is the film supposed to be a documentary? or fiction?

I haven't seen it yet, but is the choreographed torture worse than the series "24"? Bloodier that "Kill Bill, Part 1"?

I guess I don't care for government agents masquerading as film critics. Go do some spy stuff, Mr Morell.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:24 PM

9. The director has said she used a "journalistic" approach.

Multiple persons, including an educator, scholar and filmmaker have said that the movie, which purports to be fact-based and an essentially true account of what happened between 9/11 and the capture of bin Laden, leaves strongly the impression that torture helped lead to the capture. Which is NOT true and not a morally ambiguous issue.

And there is NO particular reason for anyone to not speak up about that if that's what they perceived it to be.

Why would you be inclined to silence him about this?

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:25 PM

11. Actually I listened to the filmakker's interview. She said flat out, there was no one source that

gave the big break. Instead it was a constant building of an overall intelligence picture that gave them Bin Laden

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:15 AM

13. Yay! We're free to torture now!

Bigelow has fetishized the military and is full of shit.

Even if torture DID lead to bin Laden, which it didn't, it is immoral and illegal and makes up hypocrites and bad guys.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:57 AM

12. All sources seem to agree, the movie falsely exaggerates the value of torture.

What I wonder is, who funded the movie.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:54 AM

14. CIA is afraid of fictional movie ..............

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:59 AM

15. We destroyed the video record so it can't be "definitively resolved."

But, we do know that we did get good information BEFORE we tortured.

And, we know we cannot trust anything we get AFTER we torture.

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