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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:23 PM

San Jose finally getting fluoride for city's drinking water

Source: SJ Mercury News

After years of debate, San Jose is finally getting fluoride in its drinking water.

A unanimous vote Tuesday by the Santa Clara Valley Water District finalized funding for the long-anticipated project for the largest city in the country without fluoridated drinking water. But it will take about two more years to retrofit local water plants to bring the additive aimed at saving children's teeth from decay to the city's taps.

"It's a big deal,'' said Marty Fenstersheib, Santa Clara County's health officer. "I used to ask people, 'What do you think of the fact we don't have fluoride in our water in San Jose?' A lot of people will tell you I didn't know we didn't have it.''

Even now, though, San Jose residents won't be getting the optimal amount of fluoride in their drinking water.

Read more: http://www.mercurynews.com/rss/ci_22218776

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Reply San Jose finally getting fluoride for city's drinking water (Original post)
alp227 Dec 2012 OP
onehandle Dec 2012 #1
bkkyosemite Dec 2012 #2
Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #36
proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #3
HuckleB Apr 2013 #40
proverbialwisdom Apr 2013 #43
HuckleB Apr 2013 #44
littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #4
yellowcanine Dec 2012 #5
WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #6
flamingdem Dec 2012 #7
judesedit Dec 2012 #8
Archae Dec 2012 #9
dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #16
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #18
Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #10
Chef Eric Dec 2012 #14
Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #17
Chef Eric Dec 2012 #22
Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #23
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #19
Chef Eric Dec 2012 #21
obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #28
jberryhill Dec 2012 #29
Chef Eric Dec 2012 #38
jberryhill Dec 2012 #39
DeSwiss Dec 2012 #13
HuckleB Apr 2013 #41
Quantess Dec 2012 #11
JackRiddler Dec 2012 #26
waddirum Dec 2012 #12
JackRiddler Dec 2012 #24
DeSwiss Dec 2012 #37
dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #15
GliderGuider Dec 2012 #20
JackRiddler Dec 2012 #25
Quantess Dec 2012 #27
HuckleB Apr 2013 #42
Xithras Dec 2012 #30
Red1 Dec 2012 #31
Dash87 Dec 2012 #32
Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #33
jsr Dec 2012 #34
Ter Dec 2012 #35

Response to alp227 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:28 PM

1. Teeth are a good thing. nt

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:40 PM

2. I would not drink it.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:43 PM

36. Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids!

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:29 PM

3. Related recent head-scratcher.

I was taught and previously believed that water fluoridation was always an unmitigated public good. Then I read that the NJ Sierra Club was opposing legislation promoting fluoridation because of the use of industrial-grade fluoride.

Pharmaceutical-grade isn't automatic? You learn something new every day.

http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/12/0131/0001/

Another Push to Add Fluoride to Public Drinking Water
Assembly panel clears bill that once again pits dentists against water companies, environmentalists
By Beth Fitzgerald
January 31, 2012


Convincing a majority of lawmakers of the benefits of requiring fluoride in New Jersey’s public water supply has been like pulling teeth for years in the New Jersey.

The long-hoped for measure by dentists has consistently been opposed by some environmentalists and water companies. But on Monday, the Assembly’s health committee took another shot at moving the bill.

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But the bill has its critics -- water companies and environmentalists who cite its impact on the environment, potentially harmful health effects, and the cost of installing fluoridation equipment for opposing the measure.

Jeff Tittel, director of the New Jersey chapter of the Sierra Club, said his organization is not opposed to water fluoridation, but he urged the committee to ban the use of industrial-grade fluoride, which may contain heavy metals such as mercury, cadmium and lead.

"Any grade of fluoride that is not industrial will suffice," he said. “Fluoride in our water can be healthy, but not if it also contains toxic chemicals. The legislature’s job should be removing toxins, not adding them."


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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:39 PM

40. The scientific consensus is clear. There is no real debate.

 

Alas, this is not the first time the Sierra Club has jumped the shark.

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Response to HuckleB (Reply #40)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 12:48 PM

43. Oh? The substitution of industrial-grade fluoride for pharmaceutical-grade is equivalent?

Just ignore the "heavy metal contaminants"?

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #43)

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 07:12 PM

44. And the usual "TOXINS!" psuedoscience routine is offered up.

 

Really?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:50 PM

4. I too would not drink it. n/t

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:53 PM

5. Oh Noes! The purity of our precious bodily fluids will be compromised. The Russkies are

behind this for sure!

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:03 PM

6. how many people still drink tap water?

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:28 PM

7. I'm wrestling with this - always was worried and drank spring water

but an engineer friend made the point that the plastic bottles it comes in will add their own poisons and that water moving through pipes is probably healthier.. and that flouride is there in miniscule amounts..

How to know?

For now I just stopped tripping and drink sink water 25% of the time. Mostly to save money.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:24 PM

8. Fluoride's poison.Do your research.You've been duped so they can dump their crap in your drinking wa

ter. Same with jet fuel, more chlorine than's necessary, etc, etc, etc.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:36 PM

9. Whatever you do, don't ever touch di-hydrogen oxide.

Or sodium chloride.

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Response to Archae (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:30 PM

16. Whats the matter with table salt?



The di hyd joke reminds me of the story of a guy asking for a glass of H2O and his mate saying I'll have H2O too...........H2O2.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:21 PM

18. Little Johnny took a drink...

... but he will drink no more: for what he thought was H2O was H2SO4.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:02 AM

10. Nice post General Ripper

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Response to Chef Eric (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:33 PM

17. Mercola is a crank.

I'll assume the other two are equally dubious.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:50 PM

22. Assume all you like.

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Response to Chef Eric (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:16 AM

23. Thanks, I will.

I'm an adult who can evaluate claims. Even eating too much salt is bad for you. Drinking too much water can screw up your electrolytes. In moderation, things can be useful.

And Mercola is still a quack.

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Response to Chef Eric (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:26 PM

19. about.com, mercola, and a Blogspot page. Nice. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:48 PM

21. Read the label on any tube of any fluoride toothpaste.

The label is there for a reason.

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Response to Chef Eric (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:05 AM

28. Mercola?!

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Response to Chef Eric (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:20 AM

29. Fluoride? You can DROWN in water!

Water kills more people every year than fluoride ever will.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:38 PM

38. If you think water is harmful, then don't drink it. nt

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Response to Chef Eric (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:43 PM

39. The illiteracy rate at DU never ceases to amaze me

"Water is the strong stuff - it carries whales and ships.
But water is the wrong stuff - don't let it get past your lips.
It rusts your boots and wets your suits, puts aches in all your bones,
Dilute the stuff with whiskey, aye, or leave it well alone."

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Response to judesedit (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:55 PM

13. Exactly. n/t

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Response to judesedit (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:40 PM

41. No, it's not.

 

Learn how science works. Then get back to us.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:58 AM

11. Don't we get enough fluoride from toothpaste and mouthwash?

I am neutral about the fluoridated-water issue, and I really don't know. But isn't fluoride one of those "a little goes a long way" things?

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Response to Quantess (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:22 AM

26. Obviously, but the aluminum industry needs a way...

to dump their waste product without having to pay for its safe disposal. In fact, they are getting paid for it! This is even better than mere externalization of their costs. They've turned their pollution into a profit center.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:48 PM

12. water fluoridation is an inefficient mechanism for delivering fluoride to children's teeth

What percent of city water supplies are actually consumed orally? It has to be a fraction of a percent, based on everything else that uses municipal water supplies -- residential, commericial, and industrial. All the rest of that fluoride additive is flushed down the toilet, bathtub, sink, boiler drain, etc.

If children require fluoride, it should be given in the form of a rinse that they can spit out. Fluoridating water seems to me a very inefficient way to meet the goal of reducing childhood cavities.

Now consider that the aerosols from your shower head contain the dissolved fluoride, which can be breathed in pretty deeply. We are delivering fluoride to our entire bodies (internal and external), not just our mouths. Does this really make sense.

But any questioning of the legitimacy of water fluoridation gets an automatic reference to Dr. Strangelove or to the John Birch Society.

(For the record, I drink city water directly from the tap and do indeed take showers)

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Response to waddirum (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:12 AM

24. It's a great way to deliver it to their blood and bones, though.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:46 PM

37. And the pineal gland.



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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:28 PM

15. Its banned in 98% of Europe

England is the main exception. Considered to contribute to serious health problems.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:47 PM

20. A list of countries that don't fluoridate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy

Water fluoridation is used in the United States, United Kingdom, Ireland, Canada, and Australia, and a handful of other countries. The following nations previously fluoridated their water, but stopped the practice, with the years when water fluoridation started and stopped in parentheses:

Federal Republic of Germany (1952–1971)
Sweden (1952–1971)
Netherlands (1953–1976)
Czechoslovakia (1955–1990)
German Democratic Republic (1959–1990)
Soviet Union (1960–1990)
Finland (1959–1993)
Japan (1952–1972)

Here is a more thorough look at countries that do and don't fluoridate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country

Fluoridation is by no means universally accepted.

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Response to GliderGuider (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:19 AM

25. This shows how dishonest (or deluded) the fluoridation advocates are.

The majority of the developed world does not fluoridate their water, and despite this all of these countries have seen enormous improvements in dental health through the decades. (Many of them have better dental health indicators than the US, of course.) It's correctly seen as a forced medication of the entire population, as well as a self-evident health hazard. But in the United States it's liberals who have been successfully brainwashed into thinking that the only people who object to the practice are right-wing and crazy. Very typically for Americans, they are either ignorant of the rest of the world, or prefer to ignore it, and make a virtue of their ignorance. The liberal reaction to the anyone even mentioning fluoridation as a problem reveals an extreme provincialism masquerading as enlightenment rationalism. That's not what liberals should be about.

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Response to GliderGuider (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:51 AM

27. I currently am residing in one of those countries that stopped fluoridating their water.

Not that it has anything to do with anything, but the tap water here tastes great, too..

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Response to Quantess (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:41 PM

42. Fluoride does not affect the flavor of the water.

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:56 PM

30. My home water filtration system removes chlorine and flouride

My cities investment in flouridated water is, literally, money down the toilet for me. Flouride washes my car, waters my lawn, and flushes my toilet, but it doesn't enter my drinking water.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:52 PM

31. Wichita Kansas

Voted it down a few months ago...causes cancer...your spine to curve and invites the devil into your home...oh Lordy...

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Response to Red1 (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:03 PM

32. You go to turn the shower handle, but it just

Summons a hell demon instead. It's been known to happen with fluoridation.

Fluoridation also causes Liberalism and stuff.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:02 PM

33. Fluoride or not,

the tap water there hasn't been fit to drink in decades.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:03 PM

34. Had no idea they didn't have fluoride

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:28 PM

35. Expect a sharp rise in autism

 

n/t

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