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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:15 PM

Obama supports Feinstein's intent to draft bill to reinstate assault weapons sale ban

Source: Reuters

Obama backs Feinstein bid to reinstate assault-weapons ban

WASHINGTON | Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:21pm EST

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama supports U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein's effort to craft legislation to reinstate an assault-weapons ban and would also back any law to close a loophole in gun-show sales, the White House said on Tuesday.

White House spokesman Jay Carney offered some of the first specifics on how Obama intends to make good on his promise to address gun violence in the aftermath of a shooting rampage at a Connecticut elementary school that killed 26 people, including 20 children.

"It's clear that as a nation we haven't done enough to address the scourge of gun violence," Carney told reporters. He reiterated that Obama "wants to move in the coming weeks."

(Reporting by Matt Spetalnick)


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE8BH10W20121218

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Reply Obama supports Feinstein's intent to draft bill to reinstate assault weapons sale ban (Original post)
Hissyspit Dec 2012 OP
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #1
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #2
Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #17
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #19
Flatulo Dec 2012 #21
Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #22
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #23
Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #24
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #26
Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #28
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #29
Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #25
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #27
judesedit Dec 2012 #3
LP2K12 Dec 2012 #4
Eugene Dec 2012 #5
Myrina Dec 2012 #6
bobclark86 Dec 2012 #16
NickB79 Dec 2012 #7
Cha Dec 2012 #9
NickB79 Dec 2012 #12
Cha Dec 2012 #13
sheshe2 Dec 2012 #8
BrightKnight Dec 2012 #10
blueclown Dec 2012 #14
onehandle Dec 2012 #11
Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #15
Deep13 Dec 2012 #18
mainstreetonce Dec 2012 #20

Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:19 PM

1. Obama has repeatedly indicated he favors renewal of the 'assault weapons ban'. n/t

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:21 PM

2. Which is to say that is all that will happen for the next 20 years

Her bill does nothing about gun show sales. If you don't fix that, you shouldn't pass any law because the shooting will just keep right on happening and then the NRA will say, "Aha. You passed that tough Feinstein law and we still have the shootings. that proves gun control never works."

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:20 PM

17. stop with the hopeless thinking.. please

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:46 PM

19. We have to press Feinstein to do more than just reinstate that assoult ban

Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:59 PM - Edit history (1)

At minimum, we have to get rid of the gun show sales.

Don't lecture me about attitudes. I have been around long enough to know exactly how this plays out. At best we will get one shot. It has to be a good enough bill to actually produce positive results. The Feinstein bill, if that is all we do, will cause more harm than good because the NRA will use that as the proof that gun laws don't work.

So let me lecture you. Stop playing the patsy for our opponents. Stop thinking short term. Learn the big picture.

(edited to correct "pig picture" to read "big picture", but I am growing fond of the pig picture below.)

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:10 PM

21. Agreed. There also needs to be a complete ban on the sale and ownership of magazines

greater than 5 rounds. No grandfathering.

Lifelong gun owner here who finally understands that all the old measures are essentially useless. This is all up to gun owners now. If we don't really secure our guns, magazines and ammunition, and give up the ridiculous15, 30 and 100 round clips, then we'll eventually lose the whole enchilada.

If you can't defend yourself or your home and property with 5 shots, you probably shouldn't be owning a gun anyway. He'll, just racking my Mossberg 500 5 shot pump should be enough to send any intruder fleeing.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:18 PM

22. I apologize for unsolicited advice, I almost didn't post that..

but it seems there are so many negative cynical
hopeless comments, whenever there's a glimmer of
a hopeful possibility -- and I don't think it helps.

I am a believer that attitude makes a huge difference,
at least in my own day to day life it does.

I'm still trying to understand the pig picture

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:58 PM

23. That "pig picture" must have been my Freudian slip. :)

And I am sorry for being a bit testy here as well.

Things are moving quickly, and many of them are not looking like what we expected Obama to stand for.

I understand politics is about compromise, but we lived for 12 years with those crappy Bush economic policies. I feel like we have already paid the our does on that. We won the election and Obama should have played hardball on this. He just won't do it. These compromises just aren't necessary. He holds almost all the cards.

What bothers me the most is that this is the best position he will be in for the remainder of his Presidency. He will never have this kind of leverage again. And all indications are that he is notdoing much of anything with this one-time opportunity.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:09 PM

24. Thanks for that. I do understand, and maybe I'm too patient with all this

but it seems to me that real, lasting change
takes a lot of compromise and a lot of time.

I never knew before seeing the movie Lincoln
that he could have ended the Civil War, and saved
many soldiers' lives, much sooner -- but in all
likelihood would not have been able to get the
14th Amendment passed if he had done so.

It seemed like the movie, as much as it was about
Lincoln & based on the book Team of Rivals, it was
written and produced to be about Obama, and the
politics of our time, and the methods and conscience
of a good but imperfect man with an impossible
job.

For my own sanity I stay hopeful, I stay focused on
my deep belief that anything is possible. It doesn't
mean complacent; just hopeful. Every millimeter of
solid progress is a wonderful thing. It will never be
enough because we have an innate urge to get
better and better and better at being human.

I also believe that the pig picture is a reminder
of universal innocence. That deep down most of us
want the same thing. That's why almost everyone
sees cute pictures and goes awwww. Or why most
people are weeping about the children, even if they
are folks who like guns.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:32 PM

26. How can we get them to weep for the teachers too?

Or the other senseless gun killings that happen every day?

The only countries in the entire world that have a higher rate of gun deaths are

El Salvador
Jamaica
Honduras
Guatemala
Swaziland
Colombia
Brazil
Panama
Mexico
Philippines
South Africa

That's it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:12 PM

28. I don't think you can make somebody else feel something

but time and life are teachers, and people can evolve.

One thing that I'm sure doesn't work is when we
attack others, their beliefs, their lifestyles, choices.

The natural instinct, when a person feels judged
attacked or criticized, is to become defensive, and
hold on more tightly.

I'm reminded of an old tale:
Wind challenged Sun to a contest, saying "I am much
more powerful than you are, and can prove it."

Sun said "ok.. what's the deal?"
Wind said.. "see that guy down there? Whoever can
get his coat off him is the winner."

"OK" says the Sun, "you go first."

Wind blew and blew and blew as hard as possible,
but the guy held on even more tightly to his coat.
Then it was the Sun's turn. Sun just shone on the
guy, warmer and warmer. The guy took off the coat.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:34 PM

29. OK Sunshine, you're making me a lot more mellow than is good for me

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:31 PM

25. I still haven't paid the does, though. But they are patient.



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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:35 PM

27. D'oh, does, dues

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:26 PM

3. Thank God! Finally coming to their senses.No one needs assault weapons.They don't assault they kill

These illiterates need to be taught what the 2nd Amendment really means. I don't want these assholes anywhere around me or my family.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:29 PM

4. This is good news...

but it's not enough.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:34 PM

5. Reuters story with link: Obama backs Feinstein bid to reinstate assault-weapons ban

Source: Reuters

Obama backs Feinstein bid to reinstate assault-weapons ban

WASHINGTON | Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:21pm EST

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama supports U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein's effort to craft legislation to reinstate an assault-weapons ban and would also back any law to close a loophole in gun-show sales, the White House said on Tuesday.

White House spokesman Jay Carney offered some of the first specifics on how Obama intends to make good on his promise to address gun violence in the aftermath of a shooting rampage at a Connecticut elementary school that killed 26 people, including 20 children.

"It's clear that as a nation we haven't done enough to address the scourge of gun violence," Carney told reporters. He reiterated that Obama "wants to move in the coming weeks."

(Reporting by Matt Spetalnick)


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/18/us-usa-shooting-connecticut-obama-idUSBRE8BH10W20121218

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:36 PM

6. ... but then he'll have a meeting with Boehner and the NRA ...

... and 'compromise'.

Really, what must Michelle think of a husband who's the most powerful man on Earth and he can't stand up for what he says] he believes in?

Objections? Please see my sig line. Thanks.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:17 PM

16. Good point...

I have very little faith in the political process anymore. They couldn't even get the Affordable Care Act through without compromising away TO OUR OWN PARTY WHEN WE HELD BOTH HOUSES! After this last election with nothing even resembling a mandate from the masses one way or the other I find it less likely now.

I'm waiting for it to be used as a pawn in the fiscal cliff negotiations. You know it's going to happen we raise taxes on rich people over $5 million a year by 0.1 percent, gut Medicaid and leave the military-industrial complex alone; and the AWB isn't retroactive, bans only more than 3 "evil features," blocks only bigger than 20-round magazines and it overrides all state preemption like in New York and Connecticut. Oh, and then it gets shot down by the SCOTUS as a ban on a specific class of firearms and we are back where we started but fucked on social programs (including the mental health system that would help detect and treat these monsters BEFORE they pull the trigger).

I'm not going to talk about the actual AWB suggestion, just that, with this congress, there's a snowball's chance in Hell of anything happening that most on DU would agree with. Doesn't mean we can't try to get SOMETHING done, I just see it's an uphill fight, despite the recent wave of sentiment.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:38 PM

7. This will need to get through the House as well as the Senate, correct?

Before it hits the President's desk to sign?

The GOP-controlled House that cares so little about America that they're currently willing to drive us off the fiscal cliff into recession and default on US debts by failing to raise the debt ceiling?

Uh oh.......

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:48 PM

9. And, they would be on Full Display

as having Voted Down a Sensible Gun Law favored by horrified people across our Nation.

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Response to Cha (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:16 PM

12. They tried to kill the Affordable Health Care Act

That will LITERALLY save thousands of lives a year once fully enacted, many in the largely poor, rural areas they represent.

I'm not sure they care THAT much about their image. So long as the voters in their home districts keep voting for them (and many still will), I don't think they give a fuck.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:20 PM

13. Yes, you're right.. I just think this is

different.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:40 PM

8. Oh for God sakes...It's a start! See post #4

Thank you Hissyspit for the Breaking News....This is a Great beginning.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:01 PM

10. That would be pointless political suicide. A better response

would be to go after the marketing and culture. Guns are a good tool for defense but they do not empower anyone beyond that. There is nothing romantic about gun violence. Like cigarettes I would take a close look at the advertising.

Trying to regulate specific cosmetic features will solve nothing and it is bad politics. Despite the TV noise the political landscape has not changed.

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Response to BrightKnight (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:29 PM

14. It's not political suicide anymore.

Democrats don't rely on the same coalition that he had in the 90s with Bill Clinton: rural voters. They have won the last two elections consolidating the urban and suburban vote, and these are also places where the message of gun control is the most receptive.

It's a myth that supporting gun control now is political suicide. Perhaps in the 90s, but not so much now.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:03 PM

11. Now he'll never be President. nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:36 PM

15. That's probably what the next Democratic hopeful is thinking. n/t

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:33 PM

18. how about banning unregulated transfers too. nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:51 PM

20. We need to go further

It's a start. We need stronger legislation than the last ban.

I look forward to the next presidential candidate being able to stand up to the gun lobby and still win.

I want to assault the NRA.

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