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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:05 PM

Paragould, Arkansas Police to Check Everyone's ID in 2013

Source: opposingviews.com

Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America. ...

At a town hall meeting, last Thursday, Mayor Mike Gaskill and Police Chief Todd Stovall endorsed a plan to send police in SWAT gear and carrying AR-15s into downtown Paragould starting in 2013, reports the Paragould Daily Press.

Chief Stovall told the Paragould Daily Press: "This fear is what's given us the reason to do this. Once I have stats and people saying they're scared, we can do this. It allows us to do what we're fixing to do."

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID. To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason. Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause ....

Read more: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/paragould-arkansas-police-check-everyones-id-2013



This idea has been tried before!


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Reply Paragould, Arkansas Police to Check Everyone's ID in 2013 (Original post)
Coyotl Dec 2012 OP
Mnemosyne Dec 2012 #1
Politicalboi Dec 2012 #2
Dan Dec 2012 #4
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #11
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #12
AzDar Dec 2012 #3
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #8
Coyotl Dec 2012 #13
marble falls Dec 2012 #5
rwheeler31 Dec 2012 #6
freshwest Dec 2012 #9
Purveyor Dec 2012 #7
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #10
StrictlyRockers Dec 2012 #14
steve2470 Dec 2012 #19
judesedit Dec 2012 #15
judesedit Dec 2012 #16
steve2470 Dec 2012 #17
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #21
alfredo Dec 2012 #24
Berlum Dec 2012 #18
fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #20
madrchsod Dec 2012 #22
blkmusclmachine Dec 2012 #23
CanonRay Dec 2012 #25
Coyotl Dec 2012 #27
greymattermom Dec 2012 #26
Brigid Dec 2012 #28
struggle4progress Dec 2012 #29
struggle4progress Dec 2012 #30
Heywood J Dec 2012 #31
lunasun Dec 2012 #32
brooklynite Dec 2012 #33

Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:09 PM

1. And the home of the cowards... nt

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:10 PM

2. We should go down there in groves

Let them spend ALL day just checking ID's. Stay a week, and bring attorney's with you if you can, and have hidden video camera's.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:15 PM

4. people with guns,

afraid, with the power and right to use those guns.... bad combination to test 'who is right'.

Good luck.

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Response to Dan (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:22 AM

11. They are counting on cowardice. Slavery seems safer. n/t

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:30 AM

12. Not hidden cameras. BIG, BIG Cameras, even fake ones. And two or three satellite trucks.



Maybe invite the ex-mayor...of Berlin. Or some other notable celebrity.

Assuming this is accurate, and depending on how heavily armored and costumed they are, could put videos up on youtube and have a "Name the Nazi" contest.

Or "Adopt a Storm Trooper" - get kids to write them letters and ask why they are being so mean and to please not shoot anyone...

It's great when your opponents give you all the material you need for leverage themselves... .









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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:10 PM

3. Read the story @ the link...yet sill convinced this is a *joke*, right?

Right?

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Response to AzDar (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:34 PM

8. I don't think so ... apparently the meth problem there is sooo great and crime is tremendous. It's

discussed a number of places on the net.

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Response to AzDar (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:50 AM

13. Not at all. I guess word of the Constitution travels slowly in the hills.

Bill of Rights? What is that?

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:23 PM

5. Cops look more SS -paratrooperish than ever even wearing US military helmits that look ....

WWII German army-ish to me. With so many officers living outside of the towns they "protect" (80% or so in Austin, Texas for example) they are an occupying force in some ways particularly in minority neighborhoods.

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:25 PM

6. Who lives there that would put up with this?

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Response to rwheeler31 (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:48 PM

9. Republicans?

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:27 PM

7. Isn't that pretty much what is happening in NYC with the 'stop and frisk'? eom

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:48 PM

10. What good is having power if you can't abuse it?

 

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:56 AM

14. Zee papers please!

Achtung! Shnell! Rouse!

Up against zee wall!

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Response to StrictlyRockers (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:17 AM

19. " Ihre papiere, bitte ! " nt

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:13 AM

15. It's 2013 and the hoods think it's Dodge City. It's about time the cops got out there to see who's

killing the citizens of that town. Wake up. Read the 2nd Amendment you illiterates. The first 3 words are "a well regulated..." You should have stayed in school. You might know that today.

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:15 AM

16. Someone trying to incite violence by posting a nazi picture. But they want the cops to ID immigrants

Hypocrites.

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:31 AM

17. Armed task force to patrol streets

http://www.paragoulddailypress.com/articles/2012/12/15/top_story/doc50cbbb312e241511092932.txt

In response to a recent increase in crime, Paragould Mayor Mike Gaskill and Police Chief Todd Stovall offered residents at a town hall meeting Thursday night at West View Baptist Church what could be considered an extreme solution armed officers patrolling the streets on foot.

Stovall told the group of almost 40 residents that beginning in 2013, the department would deploy a new street crimes unit to high crime areas on foot to take back the streets.

" going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

Stovall said while some people may be offended by the actions of his department, they should not be.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:53 AM

21. Dumb but aggressive police chief who doesn't know the law, but doesn't want to

"Anyone that's out walking, because of the crime and the fear factor, (could be stopped)," he said.

Should an individual not produce identification, Stovall said his officers would not back down. Individuals who do not produce identification when asked could be charged with obstructing a governmental operation, according to Stovall.

"I'm hoping we don't run across (any) of that," Stovall said. "Will there be people who buck us? There may be. But we have a right to be doing what we're doing. We have a zero-tolerance. We are prepared to throw your hind-end in jail, OK? We're not going to take a lot of flack."
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(The city attorney said: )
As for having IDs, he said citizens wouldn't have to worry about that, either. He said the police would not arrest residents solely for failing to produce identification when asked.


The police chief wants martial law; the mayor was willing to give it to them, and the city attorney has had to point out they don't have the power to do what they want to. But I'm sure the police chief will try to get as close as possible to it, and intimidate the people he doesn't like into buckling under his dictat.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:27 AM

24. Sounds like a way to harass black and brown citizens.

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:53 AM

18. Sayonara America. Welcome to the Republican HOMELAND

Ever since the Repubbies started in with this freaking sickO "Homeland" crap instead of America, I have suspected it would get ugly.

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:21 AM

20. Justice Department are You Listening?

Pick up that phone!

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:05 AM

22. holder picking up the phone?

ya right....

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:22 AM

23. Police State in full bloom.

Open your eyes before they come for you.

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:49 AM

25. Time for a new police chief in Paragould

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:38 AM

27. Really, what is wrong with the police if there are so many crimes?

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:56 AM

26. raise taxes

They will have to raise taxes to pay for more police. Let's see how that vote works out.

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:27 AM

28. I'm just waiting for the first time . . .

Some Paragould cop is so busy checking some 80-year-old woman's ID when she is doing nothing more suspicious than walking her toy poodle that he doesn't see somebody getting mugged right behind him. Seriously, I have no idea why the crime rate is so high there -- but I do know "security theater" when I see it.

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:33 AM

29. From the police webpage:

... In 2002 statistics were gathered and declared in 2003 that Paragould was recorded as the Safest City in Arkansas with a population of 20,000 plus. The crime rate was 15 crimes per 1,000. The city that came in 2nd place had a rate of 42 crimes per 1,000 ...
http://paragouldpolice.org/

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:40 AM

30. It looks like crime spiked in Paragould beginning around 2005

Before 2005, Paragould had a low crime rate, way under average. Then, both violent and property crime suddenly soared. I think the violent crime rate is below average again now, but the property crime rate is still rather high

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:44 PM

31. Read: "Police chief admits he has failed at his job by allowing town to become hellhole.

Vows to intimidate any remaining residents into leaving."

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:10 AM

32. wtf

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Response to Coyotl (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:21 AM

33. A lawsuit waiting to happen...

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