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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:00 PM

 

AP Sources: New Obama Offer Moves Toward Boehner

Source: NPR (AP)

President Barack Obama has proposed a deficit-reduction package to House Speaker John Boehner (BAY'-nur) that would increase the top tax rates on taxpayers earning more than $400,000, cut more spending from health care programs and add $200 billion more in spending cuts over 10 years to his earlier offer.

Boehner had proposed an earnings threshold of $1 million for higher rates. Obama dropped his demand that individuals making more than $200,000 pay higher rates.

People familiar with the plan said Obama is proposing lower cost-of-living adjustments for Social Security. He also abandoned his request to extend a payroll tax cut — a move that would result in a tax increase for many Americans.


Read more: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=167423623

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Reply AP Sources: New Obama Offer Moves Toward Boehner (Original post)
michigandem58 Dec 2012 OP
msongs Dec 2012 #1
CreekDog Dec 2012 #47
QUALAR Dec 2012 #48
QUALAR Dec 2012 #49
CreekDog Dec 2012 #56
fasttense Dec 2012 #65
aandegoons Dec 2012 #2
rug Dec 2012 #3
high density Dec 2012 #4
humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #12
high density Dec 2012 #15
humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #17
plethoro Dec 2012 #20
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #5
NeoConsSuck Dec 2012 #6
on point Dec 2012 #7
ProSense Dec 2012 #8
quakerboy Dec 2012 #38
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #9
newfie11 Dec 2012 #14
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #22
plethoro Dec 2012 #27
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #29
plethoro Dec 2012 #32
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #44
plethoro Dec 2012 #46
chuckstevens Dec 2012 #10
SoapBox Dec 2012 #16
bluestateguy Dec 2012 #11
blueclown Dec 2012 #13
villager Dec 2012 #18
Mr Peabody Dec 2012 #19
xxqqqzme Dec 2012 #21
alp227 Dec 2012 #23
SHRED Dec 2012 #24
forestpath Dec 2012 #25
John2 Dec 2012 #26
plethoro Dec 2012 #28
karynnj Dec 2012 #34
humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #35
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #60
bucolic_frolic Dec 2012 #30
Historic NY Dec 2012 #31
totodeinhere Dec 2012 #39
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #43
NeoConsSuck Dec 2012 #58
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #33
John2 Dec 2012 #37
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #54
KewlKat Dec 2012 #36
Owl Dec 2012 #61
blkmusclmachine Dec 2012 #40
BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #41
RUMMYisFROSTED Dec 2012 #42
Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #45
SHRED Dec 2012 #53
iandhr Dec 2012 #50
In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 #51
SHRED Dec 2012 #52
NNguyenMD Dec 2012 #55
Fearless Dec 2012 #57
Hugin Dec 2012 #59
Owl Dec 2012 #62
nolabels Dec 2012 #63
Rustycup Dec 2012 #64
Dawgs Dec 2012 #66
durablend Dec 2012 #67
samsingh Dec 2012 #68

Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:03 PM

1. peace for our time...aka peace in our time.... nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:18 PM

47. if he undermines the effectiveness of his own health care reform, i'll be pissed

at his self destruction.

i really hope my fears are unfounded.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #47)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:43 PM

48. Sellout

He undermined it from the very beginning. I voted for Obama the first time, but I refused to vote for him again because I will not be party to undercutting this country's safety net for our most vulnerable. Obama is a charlatan of the worst kind.

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Response to QUALAR (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:47 PM

49. I FORGOT

Go Gigantes!!

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Response to QUALAR (Reply #48)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:02 AM

56. you didn't vote for him in 2012?

that's insanity.

and the health care bill was flawed but is still an important step.

one more thing: i haven't treated these rumors as if they are true, i've only said what it will mean to me if they are true, but many rumors of this sort have been false.

i understand your complaints, but calling Obama a charlatan is way too far for me.

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:21 AM

65. A piece of my Social Security (which I paid for twice) will be transferred to the uber rich.

Austerity for poor Americans and luxury for the uber rich. A plan any teabagger could get behind.

Now that's a typical Obama plan. Chain up Social Security with your chain CPI and we all pretend our benefits are not being cut. What a scam.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:07 PM

2. So we have to give up more to get less?

Well done well done. Hope he tackles gun control next. We will all own tanks when he is done.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:09 PM

3. Now all he has to do is make McConnell happy.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:11 PM

4. Sounds like a win all around for Republicans

So much for that new Obama who wasn't going to cower to GOP bullshit. Protect tax cuts for people making $200k-400k a year, put up the payroll taxes, lower cost of living adjustments for social security, plus more spending cuts.

Sounds like we've been BONED again! It seems the Republicans can just say no indefinitely and then we always cave and give them 95% of what they want.

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Response to high density (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:33 PM

12. Capitulation sucks ...

Now I am just waiting on those who will defend this with the old saw "Obams's not a dictator he can't just get everything he wants"...

So Obama just agreed to take 8 weeks worth of groceries out of my kids mouths in order to give people making nearly half a million per year a continued tax break and to top it all off the amount that he gets in revenue really doesn't even amount to a whole hill of beans considering the size of the deficits anyway... but it sure will hit me where it hurts, thanks for nothing Mr. President.

Is this leadership?

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Response to humbled_opinion (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:44 PM

15. The thing is that under the original plan

the income taxes were only going to go up $1500 on families making $350k a year... I'd love to know why we are allowing that to be preserved while saying that people on social security should buy dog food instead of chicken when chicken gets too expensive. (This is the thought process behind the "chained CPI" nonsense that they want to switch it to.)

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Response to high density (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:47 PM

17. Agree..... n/t

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Response to high density (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:00 PM

20. You got it!.......nft

 

dddddd

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:19 PM

5. The suspense is over. The screwing over begins.

 

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:23 PM

6. Go off the effing cliff!!

It's better than this!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:23 PM

7. So he is moving away from what the people want?? I say let them all expire. NO DEAL

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:23 PM

8. This is fucking ridiculous

"People familiar with the plan said Obama is proposing lower cost-of-living adjustments for Social Security. "

Why the fuck would President Obama offer this up?

"People familiar" sound like Republican shills.

Krugman: Rumors of a Deal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022014563

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Response to ProSense (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:22 PM

38. Thats a good question

Why would the president offer this up?

And why would R's be the ones to put it out there, when all its likely to do is stir people up and get us mad enough to mobilize against them.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:24 PM

9. "Obama is proposing lower cost-of-living adjustments for Social Security" n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:43 PM

14. This is bull shit

It better not be what happens

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Response to newfie11 (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:06 PM

22. Switching to the 'Chained CPI' has repeatedly come up as a possible change to

Social Security, Obama having alluded to it in the past:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/18/1008266/-Obama-pushes-chained-CPI-in-town-hall-meeting

(he also has indicated he favors raising the cap to bring more revenue to Social Security).

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:27 PM

27. A chained CPI cut is disastrous. It will result in an approximate $40,000 to

 

$50,000 cut for the average life duration of a recipient--WITH NOMINAL INFLATION! If inflation rears its ugly head, which it is going to do because of all the low interest rates, that cost to the average recipient will be many times more. Prices on goods and services go up, but the chained CPI multiplier keeps the rate increase down. The older a person lives being on Social Security, the worse shape that person will be in. This has all been calculated by people way smarter than me with better equipment than I have. This was the plan all along.

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Response to plethoro (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:38 PM

29. Indeed the Chained CPI understates inflation, especially for Seniors. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:44 PM

32. Most here do not understand how

 

bad it will be and how expectant it was. Later, PA. Time for a drink. All this starts a motion. And when the Repubs regain seats in the House and Senate, the real stat cuts will begin. Thank God I had only one daughter--

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Response to plethoro (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:13 PM

44. An extensive DU post on the chained CPI can be found here...

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #44)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:16 PM

46. Thanks. I just wrote a less sophisticated one on this board and another. Here.

 

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:26 PM

10. Blink

I think Obama just blinked. But wait, this still won't be good enough for the GOP! Why wouldn't you go over the cliff (bump) and then dare Republipukes to vote against Middle Class cuts? Am I missing something here? It seems like a pretty simple chess move.

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Response to chuckstevens (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:45 PM

16. Ditto to the blink.

*sigh*

Would I be surprised?

...of course not.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:26 PM

11. I'm washing my hands of the so called "fiscal cliff"

I don't have time to concern myself with it, as I am more concerned about what is happening in Newtown.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:38 PM

13. marginal Tax rates for those over $400,000

better be in the 40+% range, or it's a big-time capitulation by the President.

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Response to blueclown (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:48 PM

18. This President!? Capitulate!?

Whatever gave you that idea...!?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:50 PM

19. A compromise is when no one is happy.... this may be it.... n/t

 

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:05 PM

21. WTF?

I just received my 'New Benefit Amount' notice. My increase is a whopping $19; my medicare deduction increased $6. Buying a book of 10 bus passes wil take care of the remainder. So w/ rising medicare costs, there will be no increase again?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:08 PM

23. longer washington post article

Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

That change would save about $225 billion over the next decade, about two-thirds of it through smaller cost-of-living increases for Social Security beneficiaries. Obama tentatively embraced the change in budget negotiations with Boehner in the summer of 2011. Since then, Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and many other Democrats have rejected the proposal, insisting that the solvency of Social Security be addressed separately from the year-end negotiations.


Obama has also dropped his demand for the extension of a payroll tax holiday that has benefited virtually every worker for the past two years. But he is also seeking higher taxes on a larger swath of wealthy taxpayers than Boehner has accepted, $50 billion in new spending on infrastructure, an extension of emergency unemployment benefits, and a hike in the federal debt limit sufficient to delay any fight over the issue for two years.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:19 PM

24. here we go again

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:26 PM

25. Dear Seniors, Merry Christmas! Love, BO

 

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:27 PM

26. Quit putting it on Obama.

 

The Democrats own the Senate and don't have to go along with him. So if any of them represent you, it is your representative in Congress going along with him. They have the power to stop him just like Boehner does. Every last Democrat in the Senate can be destroyed and primaried. All you have to do is select candidates out of these liberal organizations and primary all these Democrats. The same for the House. They were sent there to represent you, not let Obama run amok. We can also get representatives in office to cut the military. I don't agree with his Foreign Policy, which is an F right now. He seems to be trying to increase his warmongering and I really don't trust Kerry either because he flips flops and then make apologies. He was for Vietnam and flipflop. He was for Iraq and flip flopped. He did advocate going into Libya and I bet Kerry will expand military confrontation unlike what people believe. They keep doing this stuff because they know Democratic voters will cave. So you got the power to primary every Democrat in your Party and send more Liberal candidates to replace them. You got too many people attached to Corporations and making fortunes in Congress.

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Response to John2 (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:37 PM

28. I agree with most of your post, but as

 

Obama will be the writer of the plan to be presented to the Senate, the proximate cause of the plan being agreed to will the instigator--not the one who obliges. Although they will share responsibility, Obama has the lion's share.

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Response to John2 (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:14 PM

34. Kerry was not for Vietnam - he spoke of how it could be a mistake in his 1966

graduation speech. He then served because he felt an obligation to do so and after seeing the war close up, he spoke out and was easily the most credible voice in the early 1970s against continuing the war.

In 2003, Kerry spoke out against rushing to war. Even his 2002 speech before voting to get Bush authorization was NOT for war and thru inspections and going to the UN, he hoped war could be avoided. I note that you ignore Kerry/Feingold, which eventually influenced all the 2008 plans and even Bush to set a timeline to get out.

On Libya, Kerry was specific in just wanting to prevent a massacre and against US troops being used. It is silly to argue that he would be more of a war monger than any other likely choice or even the departing SOS. On Afghanistan, Kerry's own recommendation was not for the surge that HRC and Gates backed.

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Response to John2 (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:17 PM

35. The one thing I will require is that

the President explain how he can take $800 out of my pocket that I was using for groceries to feed my family to spare people making up to nearly a half million from a small tax increase. He will owe a response on that.

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Response to John2 (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:58 AM

60. "Primary Every Democrat".... Once again, more from the LeftWingTeaParty. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:39 PM

31. WHO are the SOURCES?

I call it BS.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:29 PM

39. The The Huffington Post is reporting that it's from an anonymous source.

I think we will see soon enough whether this source is accurate or not. Myself, I think it might be a trial balloon to see how the Democratic base reacts to it. That's why I already emailed the White House to let them know that this possible cave-in is unacceptable.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #39)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:06 PM

43. They didn't say it was from 'an anonymous source', but rather...

"The details of the offer were sent to The Huffington Post on condition of the source's anonymity."
implying that they know who it was but the source didn't want their name released.

(From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/obama-fiscal-cliff-offer_n_2319075.html )

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:09 AM

58. I just heard it

on my CBS morning news radio. It's gone mainstream. And if it was out of character for Obama to be doing this, I might have doubts.

I have no doubts the story is accurate.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:50 PM

33. Damn cavalier position to take on other people's pain. Time to make it harder to think like that.


People suggesting this have a job, with retirement, with many resources, some are millionaires, and the people they are proposing to screw are sitting at home cold, hungry and alone. Obviously not one of the tens of millions of people above 60 (about 1 in 3 now) with no other income than SS because their jobs were taken along with their pensions, with the help of the government that is now proposing to screw them over Again. Maybe the employers never gave back enough of the money the employee labored for, being more concerned with profit for the owners, facilitated by the tax laws created by the wealthy in Congress. It's a bit like elected officials sending other people's kids into battle to get slaughtered in Afghanistan for no apparent lasting gain.

Stinking cowards.

We have enough money to send $40 billion a month to rich people so they won't lose money on mortgage-backed assets while we
yank 50,000 families out of their homes every month. We have enough money to give banks billions at 0% interest so they can screw people at payday loan offices, profit from mortgages, sell them student loans that don't have the same access to bankruptcy as the bank does even though half aren't getting jobs and defaults are rising. We have enough money to subsidize Walmart with Earned income credits and food stamps to their employees. We had enough money, ($16 trillion by some accounts) to give money to bank employees after years of and a continuing fraudulent enterprise, so they could get hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses for selling self-admitted fraudulent junk securities to "widows and orphans" as revealed in Congressional investigations.

Now, all of a sudden, we have no money when the people that need it REALLY need it?

Don't have enough $ to keep from killing some of our most vulnerable people? It would be kinder to make a list of people to be euthanize than this. The end result will be the same, but perhaps they derive some perverse pleasure in causing the pain and misery that will be visited on some of our most vulnerable.

We don't have to go down this road. Invest in the American people for a change and see if we can grow our way out of this. The dollar will decrease in value, imports will become more expensive as the debt increases, and the demand will generate jobs here, and the money the wealth hold so dear will become worth a little less. Darn. The debt might be high, but it was high when they decided to reward theft. Why, then, is it too high when people with nothing, our most vulnerable, need assistance?

No cuts. Period. And if they can't get the point, perhaps anyone that might need to depend on SS being there may just need to stop
working, maybe gather on the ports of the West Coast until we stop any shipping either way, might find it easier to provide support for each other. If the tyrants and their collaborators are going to steal OUR money, might as well get on tv, eh? Heck, tens of thousands of people in soup lines, with dr's trying to provide medical care out on the pier might be just what we need to make the contrast between them and people with car elevators visual enough for everyone.

Can you imagine lines of voters filling their bowls with soup on TV during the elections in 2014? 2016? Might find out who our real friend are.

Or maybe it's time to make some new ones.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:22 PM

37. Like I said

 

your representatives shouldn't hide behind Obama. He want be up for re-election but they will. They do not have to go along with Obama, and they need to draw a line in the sand period. The only way they need to fix Social Security is put the money they stole back into it. One way they can do it is cut back their warmongering. We don't need to be in all these countries and we can protect our own country. Cut down on your supply of Drones too. He can forget about going into Africa too. With all these guns in the United States, Americans can protect themselves.

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Response to John2 (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:18 AM

54. Representatives do what enough people tell them to do. In the absence of people pressure


they follow money like my dog looks for poop to eat.

And just like my dog, we just need to get their attention re-focused back on us, where it belongs.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:19 PM

36. I hope this isn't true.......if it is.....this SUCKS.....go over the offing cliff then.......BS

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Response to KewlKat (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:40 AM

61. i agree. If this is true, I'd rather we go over the cliff.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:35 PM

40. So much for the "new, improved" WH!

Same old BS as ever.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:44 PM

41. Considering how many times they've gotten it wrong

I'll wait and see if it's true before I'll believe it.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:50 PM

42. Who "won" the election?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:15 PM

45. So during the Campaign they villify Obama for cuts to Medicare

and after he gets elected, they demand it.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #45)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:12 AM

53. +10

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:59 PM

50. A friendly reminder...

Clinton cut medicare in 1993 when he raised taxes.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:07 AM

51. Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing! He is backing cuts to Social Security!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:09 AM

52. WHY IS SOCIAL SECURITY INVOLVED HERE?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:49 AM

55. The Payroll tax cut repeal would add to SS wouldn't it?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:59 AM

57. FUCK THAT!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:52 AM

59. Abandon a very detailed plan for no plan at all?

I don't buy it.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:18 AM

62. No mention of cuts to our bloated Military Industrial Complex.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:46 AM

63. I wouldn't be frustrated if this was "the best and final offer"

But i am pretty sure it won't be. Some times you just have the wrong people when it comes to bargaining and i think this is one of those times. At 54 i plan on tipping over with my working boots on (like my pops) but i do know some people need help as they get older. I don't like moving goal posts that these so called leaders are working on with SS / other and pretty most of my other 'working for living' brethren are probably not going to like it either.

Hand picked leaders don't lead, they just get their hands picked

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:00 AM

64. Nice as the CEO get richer

we get screwed. Our generation is the get screwed generation. I just read and article (can't find now) on the 12 greediest CEO's. The now bankrupt Hostess CEO took away from the deal millions as the workers got nothing....

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:51 AM

66. If true, this is why I'm no longer a Democrat. n/t

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:52 AM

67. Expect another shellacking come 2014

And 'leaders' on our side to appear bewildered why it happened...

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:05 AM

68. obama almost gave the election away because of a ridiculous first debate. now he can help

the repub party so that it doesn't self destruct.

if the Democrats and Obama want perpectual power, it is really simple right now:

1. ensure that voting rights are protected
2. don't break your promise to the middle classes
3. don't attack weed laws in the States that have legalized it
4. work to stopping these all to common massacres

anything else is so incredibly stupid, like walking into the first debate and not showing any passion.

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