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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:44 AM

600 weapons surrendered in gun buy-back in San Francisco

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

(12-15) 17:56 PST Oakland -- Arturo Hurtado of Richmond was still stricken with grief over the mass shooting in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 school children dead when he awoke Saturday morning.

So he decided to get rid of his gun - "that darn thing" as he called it - and purged it from his home.

"I've got kids, man," said Hurtado, who works at Waste Management in Oakland and has children ages 14, 10, 6, and 1. "Kids are curious. Kids don't know any better. I had it locked in a toolbox, so I don't know... I just know it had to go."

Hurtado was among hundreds of Bay Area residents who dropped off their firearms at "buy back" locations in Oakland and San Francisco Saturday, collecting $200 cash for their weapon, no questions asked.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/600-weapons-surrendered-in-gun-buy-back-4121621.php#ixzz2FBAlRltP



This is slightly encouraging. Not going to solve the problem on its own but it's a start.

I think I read about something similar happening in Brooklyn. I hope more police departments around the country do this.

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Reply 600 weapons surrendered in gun buy-back in San Francisco (Original post)
democrattotheend Dec 2012 OP
freshwest Dec 2012 #1
Tumbulu Dec 2012 #2
Archae Dec 2012 #3
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #4
Archae Dec 2012 #25
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #30
Archae Dec 2012 #32
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #34
Skraxx Dec 2012 #5
Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #6
Aristus Dec 2012 #7
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #29
aquart Dec 2012 #8
Major Nikon Dec 2012 #9
Ter Dec 2012 #18
ret5hd Dec 2012 #26
OnlinePoker Dec 2012 #10
LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #11
riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #19
LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #22
riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #27
LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #31
Justitia Dec 2012 #12
OnlinePoker Dec 2012 #15
Hulk Dec 2012 #13
ellisonz Dec 2012 #14
MIDNITERIDER1438 Dec 2012 #16
hack89 Dec 2012 #21
MIDNITERIDER1438 Dec 2012 #17
galadrium Dec 2012 #20
tawadi Dec 2012 #23
Missouri Lad Dec 2012 #35
ileus Dec 2012 #24
slackmaster Dec 2012 #28
AnnieBW Dec 2012 #33
ProgressiveEconomist Dec 2012 #36
energumen Dec 2012 #37

Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:55 AM

1. A good response to get rid of unnecessary firearms. Thanks for posting this. Hopeful.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:55 AM

2. Nice to read a good story today

thanks for posting it.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:02 AM

3. Unfortunately it'll do nothing.

The guns we should be concerned about, the ones in the hands of gangbangers and other violent criminals, or paranoid nutcases won't be affected.

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Response to Archae (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:22 AM

4. I disagree

Several of the people interviewed in San Francisco said they were getting rid of their guns because they didn't want a family member to have access to them. For example, in one case a guy got rid of his gun because of an uncle with dementia. So if people who are not inclined to be violent give up their guns and keep them from falling into the wrong hands, that's a good thing.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:33 PM

25. So how many gangbangers, criminals and paranoids have turned their guns in?

No, this program has the right sentiments behind it.

But the devil is in the details.

When people like "The Distinguished Gentleman" Congressman Louie Gohmert from Texas says the whole thing could have been stopped if the Principal had an M4 military assault rifle we never will have sane gun control.

It's always all or nothing.

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Response to Archae (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:34 PM

30. You're so right. There would have been no benefit to society

if the Newtown gunman's mom had turned her guns in. it would have been silly and pointless.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:37 PM

32. You see? It's all or nothing.

The point is she didn't.

And no doubt wouldn't, because it sounds more and more like she was one of those "I gots to have these guns to per-tect me!" types.

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Response to Archae (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:34 PM

34. Perhaps she didn't get rid of her guns because THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES IN THE LAW

for the type of gun owner negligence she appears to have indulged in. If she had known that the law called for negligent owners to suffer the death penalty if their guns were left unsecured and used to commit mass murder, she might have behaved like any RESPONSIBLE ADULT would have and kept the damned things properly locked up.

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Response to Archae (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:37 AM

5. I Guess We Shouldn't Try Then?

These programs have great promise if we could properly fund them. And they could be funded with taxes on guns and ammunition plus the registration fees. Couple it with mandatory mental health screenings for anyone who wants to own a firearm and incentives for those who turn in their arms and incentives for those who provide information on people with unlicensed weapons, and we can start making progress.

It won't happen overnight, but we must begin to enact programs to disarm this country. Limit the number and type of firearms people can possess, offer opportunities, grace periods and incentives to turn them in. Anyone after that point is in violation of the law and subject to persecution. And if you know of someone in violation and you turn them in, you get rewarded.

It can be done.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:42 AM

6. I think even most gun owners are fine with gun buybacks

I went to a gun buyback last year. Got rid of an old rusted handgun that didn't work, and got 150.00 for it.

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Response to Archae (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:52 AM

7. One less gun.

It's a good start...

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Response to Archae (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:32 PM

29. It obviously wouldn't have done any good for the Newtown

shooter's mom to get rid of her guns, either.



We will never know how many lives have been saved by turning in and destroying those 600 guns. But go ahead and live in your fantasy world where normal, squeaky clean white suburban dwellers don't have anything to do with gun violence.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:58 AM

8. 400 were turned in at a Gifts for Guns in one Maryland county today.

Or maybe it was Delaware. That area. FB friend posted.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:35 AM

9. I turned in a gun for free to the cops and they acted as if I was crazy

My brother had been sent to prison and had left a gun at my mom's house in Texas. She asked me to get rid of it. It was a cheap gun that was worth virtually nothing, but I certainly wasn't going to throw it in the trash. I took it to the police station, left it locked in my trunk and reported it to the cop at the front desk. I got the impression nobody had ever done that before. They treated me like a criminal until they figured out I legitimately wanted to get rid of it. They finally did take it after lengthy questioning. I got kinda soured by the whole thing and decided if anything like that ever happened again I would just throw it off a bridge into a big lake.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:33 AM

18. Or sell it, get some cash

 

n/t

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:50 PM

26. They didn't act as if you were crazy...

They recognized you ARE crazy. Not because you turned in the gun...

just sayin'.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:39 AM

10. Meanwhile, in 2011, 10,800,000 firearms were sold in the U.S.

I don't know how many of those were resales, but I'm sure a crap load were new weapons. These buy-backs look good on the news or in the papers, but they don't do anything to reduce the number of guns in the big scheme of things. In the U.S. right now, there are 90 guns for every 100 people. Do the math and that's over 280 million guns out there.

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Response to OnlinePoker (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:03 AM

11. I'm not too sure those number are good

The Truth About Gun Sales

The number of Americans who own firearms has been steadily declining over the past 30 years. According to the General Social Survey (GSS), the most respected source of data on social trends in the U.S., just 20.8% of Americans owned a firearm in 2010. This is down substantially from the 1980 figure of 29%. GSS data also soundly debunks another specious claim that the gun lobby circulates to the media--that gun ownership among women is on the rise. In reality, gun ownership among American women has remained flat over the past three decades, with 10.5% of women reporting owning firearms in 1980 compared to 9.9% in 2010.

With fewer Americans choosing to own firearms, the gun industry understands that it must sell additional firearms to people who are already gun owners. To this end, the NRA has dramatically ratcheted up the promotion of gun confiscation conspiracy theories since the election of Democratic President Barack Obama. What started with the NRA's pledge to spend $15 million to defeat Obama in 2008 and a website called "GunBaNObama" has led to increasingly outlandish and paranoid attacks designed to promote gun sales. As Fox News' Follow the Money segment noted on January 4, "President Obama is the reason" for the upward trend in background checks since 2008, because the NRA has convinced some gun owners that he is "going to go after guns."

The reality, however, is that the guy buying his second assault rifle or third handgun isn't a new gun owner. And sales of used or second-hand guns are not new sales--and no self-respecting industry would treat them as such. By purposely hiding actual data about gun sales in America, the gun lobby is attempting to reinforce its oversize reputation and make the industry look like a more politically potent force than it actually is.


Key points from above:
1) Gun ownership has declined from a high of 29% down to about 20.8%
2) Gun ownership by women has remained flat at about 10%
3) The NRA promotes gun confiscation conspiracy theories for the purpose of promoting gun sales.
4) The NRA and other gun lobby interests refuse to provide reliable gun sales records to hide the data.

Key points from rest of article: (Link at top)
1) Background checks is not performed solely on sales of guns or to just new buyers and does not provide sufficient data to determine new gun ownerships. The article provides the ways background checks are used.
2) Background checks does not provide an indication of annual gun sales for the same reasons.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:20 AM

19. 314 million Americans

300 million guns.. I read that on a link today on DU

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:10 PM

22. That doens't mean 300 million Americans own guns

And the link I had challenges the data supply by the gun industry on gun sales. They don't provide their own data but try to use background checks as an indicator.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:08 PM

27. The 314 million is the population

the 300 million is that amount of guns...maybe owned by 100 million? don't know...just that there are 300 million guns in America.

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:23 PM

31. Neither of those numbers are of any consequence by themselves.

Did you read the article or the excerpts. About 21% appear to own guns as of 2010. I wouldn't think that would include youngsters. But if it did that would mean just over 66 million own guns. If just adults it would be about 50 million. When it is based on households the number is about 32%.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:10 AM

12. Questions: What do they do with them? Are buy-backs always done by police depts?

Do they destroy them somehow?

My husband has an old pistol that his father traded for cattle 50 yrs ago.
It has never been fired, we have no ammo & it's locked in a safe.
Frankly, I'd love to just get rid of it, thought about taking it to the police, but always kind of worried about what actually happens to it.

Does anyone know?

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Response to Justitia (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:34 AM

15. I've seen them being crushed in older versions of these programs

They are rendered unuseable for anything but melting down.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:15 AM

13. It IS a start...

...and that's what's needed. Now we need to build on it.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:27 AM

14. The right-wing gun scum really hate these...

...to the point that they have stood outside them and tried to buy guns from people turning them in. Scum.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:52 AM

16. Wow I can't believe that.

That just goes to show you the weakest link is the private gun sales. STOP THE IRON PIPELINE NOW ! (I live in the NE).

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Big-Response-to-Bay-Area-Gun-Buyback-183653391.html

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Response to MIDNITERIDER1438 (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:56 PM

21. It just takes each state to pass a law. My state did. nt

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:53 AM

17. Stop The Iron Pipeline NOW !

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:23 AM

20. Gun buybacks are a joke

The taxpayers are just paying over market prices for cheap guns. $200 cash for a firearm? Sounds like a great way for anyone knowledgeable about gun values to make a ton of money. Turn a rusted non-firing paperweight into cash. Or double your money on a military surplus rifle that hasn't seen sunlight in 60 years. Glad that makes you feel safer, but this is a huge waste of time and money.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:12 PM

23. This could be done all over the country this week

While its still on peoples minds.

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Response to tawadi (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:23 PM

35. This is great, but ??????

 

Don't take the guns to the local police or sheriff office, as they will have a gun sale (auction) later and there you go...some nut will buy the one that were turned in.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:14 PM

24. Good. No one with an unwanted firearm should keep it.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:09 PM

28. Gun "buybacks" are a great way to get rid of a weapon that was used in a crime

 

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:34 PM

36. How much buyback money is used to subsidize upgrades to more LETHAL,

How much buyback money is used to subsidize upgrades to more LETHAL,
newer firearms? Gun buyback money is completely fungible, unless people who get gun buyback money agree, under penalty of law, they will no longer own firearms for, say, the niext five years.

If they subsequently undergo new background checks for new firearms, I'd advocate that they be prosecuted for attempted felony weapons possession.

Are there any data on the age, condition, and firepower of bought-back guns? At least two there posts in this thread (numbers 6 and 20) mention turning in guns that do not work anymore.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:18 PM

37. i have to agree with galadrium

at 200 per weapon I have several I would turn in. However, it would be a rip off to the taxpayer since they are not worth half that . I recent local program offered 25 dollar gift cards to the dollar store. For these to be effective and affordable they are going to have to hit some type of median ground in what they are offering.

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