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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:52 PM

Supporters stand by Mich. gun bill after Conn. massacre

Source: USA Today

Friday's deadly school shooting in Connecticut came less than 24 hours after Michigan lawmakers passed legislation that allows those with concealed pistol licenses to carry guns into schools and other once forbidden places.

Proponents of the legislation said if the bill is signed into law, it would give people the opportunity to respond to crimes and possibly stop a similar situation.

"This kind of tragedy is hard to process, but if one person a faculty member or a parent could legally carry, at least it could have limited some of the mayhem," said Rob Harris, media director for Michigan Open Carry Inc., on Friday. "This legislation has to be passed to at least have a fighting chance against the evil in this world."

The Michigan Legislature passed Senate Bill 59 on Thursday, which tweaks the concealed weapons law by allowing gun owners who receive eight additional hours of training to carry their weapons in formerly gun-free areas, such as day care centers, schools, hospitals, churches and stadiums and bars.


Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2012/12/14/mich-gun-legislation-conn-massacre/1770765/

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Reply Supporters stand by Mich. gun bill after Conn. massacre (Original post)
TomCADem Dec 2012 OP
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #1
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #2
Protalker Dec 2012 #3
we can do it Dec 2012 #4
SoapBox Dec 2012 #5
handmade34 Dec 2012 #6
Flatpicker Dec 2012 #7
Zorro Dec 2012 #8
jimlup Dec 2012 #9
russspeakeasy Dec 2012 #13
jimlup Dec 2012 #17
russspeakeasy Dec 2012 #18
They_Live Dec 2012 #20
oldbanjo Dec 2012 #15
Blasphemer Dec 2012 #23
otohara Dec 2012 #27
kiranon Dec 2012 #10
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2012 #12
LeftInTX Dec 2012 #22
struggle4progress Dec 2012 #11
Skittles Dec 2012 #14
drynberg Dec 2012 #16
knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #19
ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #21
jpak Dec 2012 #24
llmart Dec 2012 #25
HockeyMom Dec 2012 #26
fascisthunter Dec 2012 #28

Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:53 PM

1. idiots

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:56 PM

2. You're evil, Rob

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:07 PM

3. Chalk it up as a NRA victory

Legislation followed by another NRA event. I wonder if the murderer thought he was standing his ground as he slaughtered his mother and the innocents?

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:08 PM

4. Well of course they do. Assholes will be assholes.

so sick of this shit.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:17 PM

5. Sick...

This perversion thing about guns is bizarre.

And Michigan...get ready for more dead in day care centers, schools, hospitals, churches and stadiums and bars.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:19 PM

6. makes as much sense as

hitting a child to teach him not to hit

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:25 PM

7. Nothing Changes

How did the armed movie goers handle Aurora?

Part of the problem we have here is somehow we have accepted that the evil in this world is as close as out our front door.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:29 PM

8. Michigan has its own elementary school tragedy in its history

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:05 PM

9. Can some explain to me exactly how ...

A faculty member or adult who can legally carry stands a chance against a gunman armed to the teeth wearing a bulelet proof vest in a suicidal/homicidal rage?

The lone "hero" meme used to justify absurd gun laws is insane wishful thinking.

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Response to jimlup (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:33 PM

13. Plus the element of surprise.

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Response to russspeakeasy (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:27 AM

17. The killer comes into the situation prepared to kill and stalk people...

I find the teacher to be at an extreme disadvantage. Sure they might get lucky. But equally likely or even more likely, allowing that gun into the schools will result in other unfortunate and predictable "accidents" or "events".

I think that thinking this way is absurd. It is equivalent to saying: "Let's turn our schools into the wild west so that we can justify our silly 2nd amendement." I'm sorry but I find the whole way of thinking abhorrent and absurd.

We need to grow up and recognize which century we actually live in. Not which century we apparently "wish" we lived in.

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Response to jimlup (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:57 AM

18. The killer would have the element of surprise. Sorry if I

didn't make that clear enough...to think otherwise is dumb.
I think you intentionally misinterpreted the post. Or, you are more interested in posting than reading.

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Response to russspeakeasy (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:36 PM

20. Actually

you did not make it clear enough.

Thanks you for clarifying.

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Response to jimlup (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:54 AM

15. If a teacher was armed and no one knew it

they may be able to prevent this type of thing, but if someone has the right vests the Police can't stop it. A teacher that had a permit and was allowed to carry while working )without anyone knowing it) would give some chance of success. I have carried a gun for many years and there is no way you can tell that I have one. A cop friend came over and we walked around a little then I asked him was I armed and he said no, I showed him how easy it was to hide a gun I showed him three guns, not little guns. One day I walked to his car with a rifle hidden with 25 rounds in it. You can't protect yourself from someone that knows what they are doing.

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Response to jimlup (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:48 PM

23. Yes, it's a ridiculous argument

A determined person can walk into any "soft target" looking seemingly innocent and yet carrying a dangerous weapon that can kill multiple people before anyone even fully processes what is happening. The element of surprise is what they count on working in their favor.

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Response to jimlup (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:20 AM

27. More Women Are Elementary

school teachers and in this case the dead adults were all women.

Plus, wouldn't they have to wear bullet proof vests all the time...it's just ridiculous to think arming teachers
would make a difference.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:07 PM

10. Their argument should hold true for allowing guns in state legislatures, courts

and other legislative bodies on the same theory - armed citizens will protect them or they can protect themselves. Right!!! Notice that legislatures ban all guns as do courts because of the danger. Who are these people kidding with the notion that armed citizens make everyone safer. They need to put their money (lives) where their mouth is.

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Response to kiranon (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:24 PM

12. The Black Panthers tooks legally purchased guns into the California legislature back in the 1960s

None other than Ronald Reagan started advocating stricter gun control laws as a result.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:21 PM

22. One way to bring back gun control: Arm the radical left

And create some leftist militias too.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:12 PM

11. What could better protect children than a shoot-out at a school?

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:29 AM

14. the inmates are running the asylum in Michigan

pure right-wing nuttery

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:16 AM

16. SHOULD LAME DUCKERS BE ABLE TO DECIDE MATTERS OTHER THAN KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON?

I don't think so, the voters gave'em the door in November. This is Evil, Sick and Vengeful and could cost many innocent lives...shameful and repugnant.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:08 AM

19. Are these the same legislators who want to kill off the MEA?

Which is it, assholes? Are we to be trusted with guns but not with negotiating our own contracts? WTF?!

I will never be armed in my classroom. I will not give a student another weapon to get a hold of and use on anyone, and I refuse to act like a prison guard. I am a teacher. Period.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:05 PM

21. One would think you would be happy with the more restrictive law.

Previously Michigan allowed open carry in the schools. Now that it is concealed carry, folks need to be 21 and have a background check.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:51 AM

24. Unfortunately, there are a lot of DUers that support this GOP douchebaggery

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Response to jpak (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:09 AM

25. I heard on the local news this AM.....

that Snyder is now "waiting to sign the legislation". Another freakin' coward of a "man" and I put that term in quotes because he isn't a man in the true sense of the word. He's cowed by the RW and the NRA and afraid to stand up to them.

Hope Michigan gives him an earful if he signs the legislation. He'll probably do it under the dark of night when he thinks no one is looking like the true coward he is.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:35 AM

26. Florida has Gun Free Zones for schools

Although, they too, are trying to change this. I don't think I would want to work at a school where teachers are carrying guns. If I had kids, I wouldn't want to send them there either.

However, at least where I have worked, protections are in place. All the elementary schools have a police officer in a squad car by the entrance to the school building. Some have two. The HS had 4 squad cars right by the Admin. entrance.

All the classroom doors were required to be locked at all times. When staff took the kids out, we carried a key with us. When I worked with emotionally disturbed Pre-teen boys, and autistic kids, we all carried radios, so we could contact the Deputy, Principal, ABS. When we had those lock downs, besides the classroom door locking automatically, we had metal hurricane shutters on the outside windows. A gunman would have to shoot the lock on the metal door or through the shutters. We also locked the kids in the classroom bathroom, in addition.

Sure, a gunman could still get in but he would have to go through a whole lot of obstacles, including armed police on campus

Personally, I think something like this is far, far better than ARMED TEACHERS.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:06 PM

28. sickos

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